fan base K-Pop Thread: 2022 Archive

[Sorecer]

Just now, Selenasworld said:

Well BTS never did it to me but they GGs slay a bit

Im talking about ggs though lol 

[Sheep]

19 minutes ago, Dark Horse said:

ppl need to stop pretending aespa didnt colossally flop this year. four new groups legit outdid them all WW on spotify in a few months without stepping foot in the US.

2 of the groups are affiliated with scooter Braun and another is from sajaegiship. 
 

 

19 minutes ago, Dark Horse said:

they lost their momentum and girls/ lifes too short stained their brand and hurt their goodwill as hitmakers to noisemakers.

On release Girls was the highest selling kpop gg album ever. Life’s Too Short wasn’t noise, it was too tame. 

 

19 minutes ago, Dark Horse said:

coachella and their US activities and all the fraud media play that came w it were cringe as hell and didnt prove anything to the public

Coachella was filmed poorly and the fancam(and the experience of me and everybody else there for them) were infinitely better, there was 0 media play around them here, just honest promo. Fraud media play would be something like claiming to the us press to be the biggest kpop group when you don’t crack the top 5 in sales and barely are in the top 3 for girl groups and only then if you don’t include solos.

 

19 minutes ago, Dark Horse said:

doing them more harm than good, along w giselles constant screwups.

Giselle at her worst is a better vocalist than 3/4 bp and 6-7/9 twice and still putting in more effort with dancing than a lot.

19 minutes ago, Dark Horse said:

but congratz on selling in a time when even nugus can clear a million w ease i guess.. they had no impact this year.

The “nugus” in question being some of the most hotly anticipated debuts of all time. Aespa almost doubled with 1.8m physicals for girls. they’re in the top 5 for physicals AND digitals in a year where they only got a mini album and were trapped in the US doing concerts to keep the lights on at SM. 

19 minutes ago, Dark Horse said:

the korean gp is not shaking for an aespa comeback the way they are for newjeans ive or lsfrm.

This is factually untrue according to performance views and catalog streams.

 

This thread lives in an alternate reality I s2g y’all can write whole essays where every line is the opposite of what’s actually happening

Edited December 30, 2022 by Century

[Witnessed ET]

Wait I forgot about the I-Land girlgroup debuting  i still think Garam will be a contestant 

 

also the Boys Planet boygroup will also have big physical sales and fanbase no doubt 

 

[Eternium]

2 minutes ago, Witnessed ET said:

People need to understand that the competition is simply stiff among ggs this gen. There was a time when ITZY was the defining 4th gen gg, then aespa came and smashed with Next Level. And then IVE and GIDLE took the crown from them, and now NewJennies are threatening that title with LSRFM trailing behind. So y’all can stop being offended when someone says so and so flopped this year. It’s only natural when you have so many groups competing with each other and doing well. 

What’s funny is that the people who are supporting Aespa and claiming they didn’t flop are the only ones posting numbers. For example, you claimed (G)-IDLE took the crown from Aespa but they only did better on Spotify. You girls can’t be mad at us for posting stats when you’re not posting objective facts.

8 minutes ago, Dark Horse said:

ppl need to stop pretending aespa didnt colossally flop this year. four new groups legit outdid them all WW on spotify in a few months without stepping foot in the US. they lost their momentum and girls/ lifes too short stained their brand and hurt their goodwill as hitmakers to noisemakers. coachella and their US activities and all the fraud media play that came w it were cringe as hell and didnt prove anything to the public, doing them more harm than good, along w giselles constant screwups. but congratz on selling in a time when even nugus can clear a million w ease i guess.. they had no impact this year. the korean gp is not shaking for an aespa comeback the way they are for newjeans ive or lsfrm. they seem to be heading towards a redvelvet like trajectory where if the song is good then great if not then wait for the next.

 

I know you have purposefully avoided the charts since 2014, but here’s a look at what 2022 looks like:

 

Circle Digital 4th Gen GGs in 2022:

1. IVE - 1,861,661,520 (2 comebacks)

2. Aespa - 1,548,623,805 (1 comeback)

3. (G)-IDLE - 1,313,704,901 (2 comebacks)

4. NewJeans - 1,198,800,171 (1 debut)

Everyone else is below 700M

 

Circle Physical 4th Gen GGs in 2022:

1. IVE - 2,598,618 (2 physicals)

2. ITZY - 2,026,721 (2 physicals)

3. Aespa - 1,984,620 (1 physical)

4. LE SSERAFIM - 1,226,862 (2 physicals)

5. (G)-IDLE - 1,058,425 (2 physicals)

6. NMIXX - 1,036,653 (2 physicals)

7. Kep1er - 1,016,997 (3 physicals)

Everyone else is below 1M

 

Y’all love to give these hot takes and I promise it just makes you look like you don’t follow the charts more than anything.

[Gaia]

12 minutes ago, Hitchhiker said:

While obsession as a tt was sth new as an album it’s one of their best

Are there any songs from the album as good as Been Through or like anything from EXACT or The War. 

[Gaia]

2 minutes ago, Eternium said:

What’s funny is that the people who are supporting Aespa and claiming they didn’t flop are the only ones posting numbers. For example, you claimed (G)-IDLE took the crown from Aespa but they only did better on Spotify. You girls can’t be mad at us for posting stats when you’re not posting objective facts.

I know you have purposefully avoided the charts since 2014, but here’s a look at what 2022 looks like:

 

Circle Digital 4th Gen GGs in 2022:

1. IVE - 1,861,661,520 (2 comebacks)

2. Aespa - 1,548,623,805 (1 comeback)

3. (G)-IDLE - 1,313,704,901 (2 comebacks)

4. NewJeans - 1,198,800,171 (1 debut)

Everyone else is below 700M

 

Circle Physical 4th Gen GGs in 2022:

1. IVE - 2,598,618 (2 physicals)

2. ITZY - 2,026,721 (2 physicals)

3. Aespa - 1,984,620 (1 physical)

4. LE SSERAFIM - 1,226,862 (2 physicals)

5. (G)-IDLE - 1,058,425 (2 physicals)

6. NMIXX - 1,036,653 (2 physicals)

7. Kep1er - 1,016,997 (3 physicals)

Everyone else is below 1M

 

Y’all love to give these hot takes and I promise it just makes you look like you don’t follow the charts more than anything.

I used to be a Katy stan but the random drag made me cackle  

Edited December 30, 2022 by Gaia

[illia]

Garam has no chance of debuting

knetz still dislike her and if the company doesn't want to su!cide their group and the success they would rather not be associated with any scandal members, same goes for Soojin

Jinni on the other hand... she can be the next Hyuna if she wants to, I hope she won't give up on idol career because whew 

[lgaga1fan]

Just now, Flomik said:

Garam has no chance of debuting

knetz still dislike her and if the company doesn't want to su!cide their group and the success they would rather not be associated with any scandal members, same goes for Soojin

Jinni on the other hand... she can be the next Hyuna if she wants to, I hope she won't give up on idol career because whew 

Garams barista debut will be hotly anticipated! 

[MingYouToo]

18 minutes ago, Sorecer said:

yeah I feel the same. NewJennies have everything to be huge 

I feel they will be the real winners in the long run 

This.

 

ITZY NMIXX are all in that same boat (boat of noise).

 

Aespa's KWANGYA crap is just pretentious the West will hate it.

 

IVE has way too much baggage with Wonyoung and friends, Starship is a **** label too. 

 

LE SSERAFIM is the group to watch against NewJeans though, theyre all across the board just as if not better performers than NJ and their music is just as western friendly but the lack of plenty of English speakers will definitely hinder them whilst everyone in NewJeans basically speaks it with 3 of them being fluent.

 

YGNGG could be the threat to NJ tho.

[dlwlrma]

flop

 

 

[Witnessed ET]

3 minutes ago, Eternium said:

What’s funny is that the people who are supporting Aespa and claiming they didn’t flop are the only ones posting numbers. For example, you claimed (G)-IDLE took the crown from Aespa but they only did better on Spotify. You girls can’t be mad at us for posting stats when you’re not posting objective facts.

I know you have purposefully avoided the charts since 2014, but here’s a look at what 2022 looks like:

 

Circle Digital 4th Gen GGs in 2022:

1. IVE - 1,861,661,520 (2 comebacks)

2. Aespa - 1,548,623,805 (1 comeback)

3. (G)-IDLE - 1,313,704,901 (2 comebacks)

4. NewJeans - 1,198,800,171 (1 debut)

Everyone else is below 700M

 

Circle Physical 4th Gen GGs in 2022:

1. IVE - 2,598,618 (2 physicals)

2. ITZY - 2,026,721 (2 physicals)

3. Aespa - 1,984,620 (1 physical)

4. LE SSERAFIM - 1,226,862 (2 physicals)

5. (G)-IDLE - 1,058,425 (2 physicals)

6. NMIXX - 1,036,653 (2 physicals)

7. Kep1er - 1,016,997 (3 physicals)

Everyone else is below 1M

 

Y’all love to give these hot takes and I promise it just makes you look like you don’t follow the charts more than anything.

The way you’re doing backflips to twist my words  I’m talking about them having smashes this year, and Tomboy was bigger than anything aespa released this year, or was it not? Did I ever deny aespa’s album sales? No. But did they decline digitally compared to Next Level and Savage? Yes they did. Did the other groups (including Gidle) have bigger smashes than them? Yes they did. Why are you so mad at THAT fact?  You posting CUMULATIVE numbers ain’t gonna change what I’m saying. 
Chill, go back and read my post again so you can realize it’s not that serious and I’m not out to GET aespa like the sheep usually believe. 
 

Also P.S., Spotify is a huge and valid platform and those numbers matter as much as the physical sales, maybe even more. I wished you would stop downplaying that. 

[Eternium]

2 minutes ago, Dark Horse said:

amazing numbers! how are they doing on spotify?

Third biggest 4th Gen GG so far. 

 

I’m in the process of updating the thread.

 

Aespa - 845M (+1.28M daily)

IVE - 591M (+2M daily)

NewJeans - 405M (+5.2M daily)

[ItsJustMe.]

aespa didn't flop

they had record-breaking success in certain metrics

in general, they did underperform tho

 

and their coachella appearance was in no way honest promo lol

 

[Sorecer]

I'm the only one who hates online concerts specially the ones that are recorded? they look so fake to me and edited af I really hate them 

[Sheep]

Just now, Dark Horse said:

 

this. SM media playing it as if they were invited by coachella themselves a la blackpink and not 88rising fitting them into their slot  plus making it sound bigger "first kpop artist to be on the main stage"

They took the spot of 2NE1 the previous week, one of the most legendary girl groups of all time and were invited into that time slot.

 

They were the first kpop group invited on to Coachella’s main stage.

 

These are both concrete facts.

[Eternium]

7 minutes ago, dlwlrma said:

flop

 

 

7 minutes ago, Witnessed ET said:

The way you’re doing backflips to twist my words  I’m talking about them having smashes this year, and Tomboy was bigger than anything aespa released this year, or was it not? Did I ever deny aespa’s album sales? No. But did they decline digitally compared to Next Level and Savage? Yes they did. Did the other groups (including Gidle) have bigger smashes than them? Yes they did. Why are you so mad at THAT fact?  You posting CUMULATIVE numbers ain’t gonna change what I’m saying. 
Chill, go back and read my post again so you can realize it’s not that serious and I’m not out to GET aespa like the sheep usually believe. 
 

Also P.S., Spotify is a huge and valid platform and those numbers matter as much as the physical sales, maybe even more. I wished you would stop downplaying that. 

Having a one-off hit doesn’t make you bigger. I’m an IDLE stan but we spent the year praying the girls would get their first Platinum album, sis. I’m very proud of them for getting 1.3B digitals, but that’s about 215M streams, or 143k album sales. Watching them go from struggling to hit 250k on their studio album to hitting 800k+ with a mini was way more rewarding than seeing TOMBOY and MY BAG smash - their 1B digital points weren’t even enough to turn a profit. This would be like arguing that MOMOLAND was a top group when Bboom Bboom smashed or that OMG was the top group when Dolphin/NonStop smashed.

Aespa had the third biggest year on Spotify, sis. The ranking went IDLE then ITZY then Aespa then IVE then LE SSERAFIM then NewJeans. I included them in my overall equivalents. The thing is Spotify isn’t that huge yet for these groups that it’s making a massive difference when they’re all pulling 1M+ with every physical.

[hallucinate]

41 minutes ago, Hitchhiker said:

While obsession as a tt was sth new as an album it’s one of their best

right, it’s top 3 in their discography along with EXACT and DMUMT imo 

 

28 minutes ago, Gaia said:

Are there any songs from the album as good as Been Through or like anything from EXACT or The War. 

[ItsJustMe.]

2 minutes ago, Sorecer said:

I'm the only one who hates online concerts specially the ones that are recorded? they look so fake to me and edited af I really hate them 

yes and no

I loved watching the SHINee concert and minho/SNSD fanmeets since they'll never come to europe tho

[p1lotjones]

46 minutes ago, Century said:

Dftf was a return to form and seriously great if you actually haven’t listened. 

you can't be serious, the entire mini was sm phoning it in from top to bottom 

[Sorecer]

Just now, ItsJustMe. said:

yes and no

I loved watching the SHINee concert and minho/SNSD fanmeets since they'll never come to europe tho

but they were live I'm talking mostly about concerts recorded already and just being aired later like SMTOWN last concerts for example 

[Sheep]

1 minute ago, Dark Horse said:

 

 

 

It was a surprise set, they happen all the time at Coachella. 88rising’s set got the same massive bold font as the headliners because HITC is a major festival in its own right.

 

They chose aespa to be the headliner for their set on Coachella’s main stage. Period. 

[ItsJustMe.]

6 minutes ago, Sorecer said:

but they were live I'm talking mostly about concerts recorded already and just being aired later like SMTOWN last concerts for example 

oh I definitely agree then

it was also very appearant during THE SHOW lol

[dlwlrma]

3 minutes ago, Eternium said:

 

great numbers for a bside

but Girls still a flop 

and besides Illusion did good is nowhere one of the biggest hits of the year

 

 

 

 

[Narima]

just letting you all know that 2023 will be Chaewon’s year 

 

[Sheep]

2 minutes ago, Dark Horse said:

not "surprise set" being the euphemism for unofficially invited

aespa needs an asterisk. because they 100% weren't invited by coachella themselves, that's a concrete fact!

 

You’re a moron if you think the HITC sets weren’t done in collaboration with Coachella’s organizers. They aren’t giving away an hour on the hottest stage in music with no oversight. Seethe and cope I guess.