fan base K-Pop Thread: 2022 Archive

[harrythevifan]

47 minutes ago, Dark Horse said:

T-ARA was a close #2. roly poly was bigger than gee. it wasn't until SM funded several netizens to look for bullying evidence to add fuel to the hwayoung scandal that snsd stayed safe at #1

They had some massive hits, but they would have problems beating, say, 4NIA in any fandom game.  They were kinda like Momoland, really.

 

[Pluto6]

 

[Pluto6]

This will be huge for them 

 

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BIGBANG truly keep breaking records and living up to their name literally  TOP really teased it this year during their comeback, omg 

First idol in space, how many can actually say that, wow universal king 

 

[paddii_]

1 hour ago, DelRey said:

You still believe BP is gonna release something next year 

 

They took 2 years and gave us 6 new songs, 1 reject from The Album era and 1 reject from Rosé album. 

It's hard to believe YG will let them release new music so soon and Jisoo seems like she doesn't want to have a solo debut so... 

you forgot that 2 songs were scratched demos by other artists they bought 

[Pluto6]

1 hour ago, DelRey said:

You still believe BP is gonna release something next year 

 

They took 2 years and gave us 6 new songs, 1 reject from The Album era and 1 reject from Rosé album. 

It's hard to believe YG will let them release new music so soon and Jisoo seems like she doesn't want to have a solo debut so... 

BP (members) have released music every year since debut though? They might not have released anything as a group in 2021, but we had Lisa and Rosé debuts. So it wouldn't be abnormal to expect Jennie and Jisoo solos next year. 

 

2 hours ago, Dark Horse said:

T-ARA was a close #2. roly poly was bigger than gee. it wasn't until SM funded several netizens to look for bullying evidence to add fuel to the hwayoung scandal that snsd stayed safe at #1

T-ARA were not bigger than 2NE1

[DanyelP23]

 

This is already a classic. Why?

 

[Cotton]

I thought we all knew 2nd gen Kpop was it’s peak in Korea? No other generation to follow will ever touch that. It’s why it’s referred to as the golden age.

 

And all of y’all need to bump Sistar down in those 2nd gen rankings I’m sorry those girls had the hits but they had so little fans they couldn’t even tour. They’re behind SNSD, 2NE1, WG, T-ara and Kara for sure.

[Adama]

Omg about to overuse this feature! And when I push Baek and Kyungsoo vocals to the back so I can take the lead on What is love 

 

 

[Cloudy]

3 hours ago, Pluto2022 said:

To all the old hags in here who have been Kpop fans way longer than I have:

What did popularity and success ranking look like with 2nd gen girl groups? 

 

From what I have observed it looked like this?:

 

1. SNSD

2. 2NE1

3. Wonder Girls

4. Sistar

5. f(x)

6. T-ara 

7. Kara

8. 4minute

9. miss A

10. Apink

 

Am I right or should I give it up to Deelishis? 

Taking everything into account the bigger ones were SNSD, 2NE1, WG, KARA, T-ara. They were the most "iconic" or they felt like it, they had their strengths in certain areas more than others, but overall they had a decent balance of hits, fandom, sales and gp presence.

 

SNSD were definitely at the top, I'd say followed by 2NE1 except for a year when T-ara were close behind right before the scandal. KARA were probably the weakest of them in Korea and they were more modest, but they were the pioneers (for groups) to actually smash in Japan, when we say smash we mean smash (they were also kind of ****** by DSP but that's a long story). Wonder Girls were kind of in their own place, they were thee pioneers in general and before JYP shipped them to the USA they were big, tho not the bigger sellers nor the bigger fandom there has always been a special fondness of them.

 

Sistar would probably be behind all of them them, they certainly lacked the fandom, but they went for a strategy that worked really well for them and it was undeniable that the public was invested in them (one of the few that could actually chart the album as a whole apart from 2NE1, even having big digital sellers from non title track songs. Also they were inescapable for those years).

 

Some may argue Apink but I don't consider they ever reached the iconic status or gp pressence or dominance in any particular area that those others had. They were just there pulling decent numbers but never to propel them with the previosly mentioned.

 

4Minute, f(x), miss A, Girl's Day, Secret, etc. were there. Never completely broke through, lacked a proper fandom (sans f(x) I guess) and they had their up and downs but they had a decent amount of big hits or members to keep them in the public's mind and conversation.

 

Overall I loved the time of all these hags. Those were fun times

 

41 minutes ago, Cotton said:

I thought we all knew 2nd gen Kpop was it’s peak in Korea? No other generation to follow will ever touch that. It’s why it’s referred to as the golden age.

 

And all of y’all need to bump Sistar down in those 2nd gen rankings I’m sorry those girls had the hits but they had so little fans they couldn’t even tour. They’re behind SNSD, 2NE1, WG, T-ara and Kara for sure.

I mean what Sistar achieved shouldn't be dismissed. Sure the fandom wasn't there, but they were definitely a big gp group that delivered consistently, almost til their last day and their members Hyolyn and Soyou had a big impact on the charts. Their approach to girl group was different but commendable nonetheless and many lesser company girl groups basically tried their chance at it like Girl's Day, Secret, etc. but it never materialised. At that time girl groups didn't have many fans so they did the best they could imo and really cemmented their pressence and status

Edited December 6, 2022 by Cloudy

[WeFoundWill]

 

they just CANT stop WINNING

 

 

[Narima]

 

[Sheep]

2 minutes ago, WeFoundWill said:

 

they just CANT stop WINNING

 

 

But when aespa was given a title by the same exact publication, all of you Blinks said it was fraudulent and paid for. Does TIME have journalistic credibility/integrity or not Blink? Time to make your mind I fear

[Cotton]

11 minutes ago, Cloudy said:

Taking everything into account the bigger ones were SNSD, 2NE1, WG, KARA, T-ara. They were the most "iconic" or they felt like it, they had their strengths in certain areas more than others, but overall they had a decent balance of hits, fandom, sales and gp presence.

 

SNSD were definitely at the top, I'd say followed by 2NE1 except for a year when T-ara were close behind right before the scandal. KARA were probably the weakest of them in Korea and they were more modest, but they were the pioneers (for groups) to actually smash in Japan, when we say smash we mean smash (they were also kind of ****** by DSP but that's a long story). Wonder Girls were kind of in their own place, they were thee pioneers in general and before JYP shipped them to the USA they were big, tho not the bigger sellers nor the bigger fandom there has always been a special fondness of them.

 

Sistar would probably be behind all of them them, they certainly lacked the fandom, but they went for a strategy that worked really well for them and it was undeniable that the public was invested in them (one of the few that could actually chart the album as a whole apart from 2NE1, even having big digital sellers from non title track songs. Also they were inescapable for those years).

 

Some may argue Apink but I don't consider they ever reached the iconic status or gp pressence or dominance in any particular area that those others had. They were just there pulling decent numbers but never to propel them with the previosly mentioned.

 

4Minute, f(x), miss A, Girl's Day, Secret, etc. were there. Never completely broke through, lacked a proper fandom (sans f(x) I guess) and they had their up and downs but they had a decent amount of big hits or members to keep them in the public's mind and conversation.

 

Overall I loved the time of all these hags. Those were fun times

 

I mean what Sistar achieved shouldn't be dismissed. Sure the fandom wasn't there, but they were definitely a big gp group that delivered consistently, almost til their last day and their members Hyolyn and Soyou had a big impact on the charts. Their approach to girl group was different but commendable nonetheless and many lesser company girl groups basically tried their chance at it like Girl's Day, Secret, etc. but it never materialised. At that time girl groups didn't have many fans so they did the best they could imo and really cemmented their pressence and status

Well said 

[ItsJustMe.]

29 minutes ago, WeFoundWill said:

 

they just CANT stop WINNING

 

 

ICONIC  I'll be seeing legends in 16 days

[ItsJustMe.]

wait why are all the comments about how the writer didn't write about all of lisa's achievements

blinks are so annoying I swear 

[Sheep]

3 hours ago, Pluto2022 said:

To all the old hags in here who have been Kpop fans way longer than I have:

What did popularity and success ranking look like with 2nd gen girl groups? 

 

From what I have observed it looked like this?:

 

1. SNSD

2. 2NE1

3. Wonder Girls

4. Sistar

5. f(x)

6. T-ara 

7. Kara

8. 4minute

9. miss A

10. Apink

 

Am I right or should I give it up to Deelishis? 

 

 

 

Just like now, popularity questions were muddy, some might do well in one market/metric but not others. The only certainty is that SNSD was #1 in every market and in every metric. You could argue almost any of those groups as being the real #2, they mostly peaked during different years and in different markets/demographics. 2NE1 and WG obviously both had the most potential to be up there with SNSD but both had their peak years horrendously mismanaged then were basically killed off when 3rd gen replacements came up.

 

The excitement around idol groups back then was something else. They weren't just popular, a lot of them were even respected artists.

[Sheep]

38 minutes ago, Cotton said:

4Minute, f(x), miss A, Girl's Day, Secret, etc. were there. Never completely broke through, lacked a proper fandom (sans f(x) I guess) and they had their up and downs but they had a decent amount of big hits or members to keep them in the public's mind and conversation.

If you count Hyuna's other projects as part of 4Nia, 4Minute's peak was as big as the others(they were just singles artists, even if you don't count Hyuna/TM they still had big singles as a group. Other solos and units are counted for their main group, but not always for Hyuna, it seems unfair.). Also f(x) had multiple gaon year end hits along with hovering around 100k sales in Korea with every album/mini(competitive with Kara, destroys T-ara + Sistar + WG). Those 2 deserve to be brought up with the others at the very least.

Edited December 6, 2022 by Century

[Vrx.]

2 hours ago, Pluto2022 said:

 

The true IT girl of ITZY 

[Mel.]

4 hours ago, Adama said:

Blackpink TABS 

 

 

MAIN GIRL ENERGY 

[Mel.]

20 minutes ago, ItsJustMe. said:

wait why are all the comments about how the writer didn't write about all of lisa's achievements

blinks are so annoying I swear 

no Blinks , that's Lisa agakes

the literal WORST

 

Lisa would be so embarrassed by them.

[Mel.]

The Blinks in Barcelona didn't come to play 

 

 

 

 

 

[Sheep]

5 minutes ago, Dark Horse said:

they were almost bigger than snsd babe...

Not in albums, not in singles, not in tours, not ever, nowhere on earth, said nobody. 

[sxhunluv]

5 hours ago, Pluto2022 said:

To all the old hags in here who have been Kpop fans way longer than I have:

What did popularity and success ranking look like with 2nd gen girl groups? 

 

From what I have observed it looked like this?:

 

1. SNSD

2. 2NE1

3. Wonder Girls

4. Sistar

5. f(x)

6. T-ara 

7. Kara

8. 4minute

9. miss A

10. Apink

 

Am I right or should I give it up to Deelishis? 

 

 

 

f(x) doesn't have much hits on Melon... they're below Secret. 

 

MelOn year end peaks for 2nd gen girl ggs

 

Wonder Girls - So Hot (#1 for 2008)

SNSD - Gee (#1 for 2009)

Miss A - Bad Girl Good Girl (#1 for 2010)

T-ara - Roly Poly (#1 for 2011)

2NE1 - I Don't Care (#2 for 2009)

Sistar - Alone (#2 for 2012)

Brown Eyed Girls - Love (#3 for 2008), Abracadabra (#3 for 2009)

Apink - NoNoNo (#3 for 2013)

SeeYa - Women's Scent (#3 for 2006)

4Minute - What's Your Name? (#7 for 2013)

Davichi - Love and War (#7 for 2008)

Girls Day - Something (#9 for 2014)

Kara - Lupin (#11 for 2010)

Jewelry - One More Time (#13 for 2008) (I consider them 1.5th gen along with SeeYa, Sugar and CSJH)

Secret - Shy Boy (#15 for 2011)

AOA - Miniskirt (#15 for 2014)

f(x) - Hot Summer (#16 for 2011) 

EXID - Up & Down (#17 for 2015)

After School - Bang! (#21 for 2010)

 

 

I would say 

 

SS Tier:

1. SNSD

2. WG 

3. 2NE1

 

S Tier: 

4. Sistar

5. Davichi

6. Kara

7. T-ara

 

A Tier:

8. Brown Eyed Girls

9. Miss A

10. SeeYa

11. Apink

 

B Tier:

12. 4Minute

13. Girls Day

14. AOA

15. Secret

16. f(x)

17. After School

18. EXID

19. Jewelry (for their 2nd gen career only (Superstar, I Really Like You and Again are 1st gen hits)

20. Orange Caramel

 

C Tier:

21. Rainbow

22. Dalshabet

23. Ladies Code

24. 9Muses

25. Five Dolls

26. Black Pearl

27. Sunny Hill

28. Gavy NJ

 

if we look at everything in total (number of hits, album sales, endorsements etc) 

I've followed kpop since 2006~7 ish so I know better than most of y'all.

 

 

 

Edited December 6, 2022 by sxhunluv

[Zack]

23 minutes ago, sxhunluv said:

f(x) doesn't have much hits on Melon... they're below Secret. 

 

MelOn year end peaks for 2nd gen girl ggs

 

Wonder Girls - So Hot (#1 for 2008)

SNSD - Gee (#1 for 2009)

Miss A - Bad Girl Good Girl (#1 for 2010)

T-ara - Roly Poly (#1 for 2011)

2NE1 - I Don't Care (#2 for 2009)

Sistar - Alone (#2 for 2012)

Brown Eyed Girls - Love (#3 for 2008), Abracadabra (#3 for 2009)

Apink - NoNoNo (#3 for 2013)

SeeYa - Women's Scent (#3 for 2006)

4Minute - What's Your Name? (#7 for 2013)

Davichi - Love and War (#7 for 2008)

Girls Day - Something (#9 for 2014)

Kara - Lupin (#11 for 2010)

Jewelry - One More Time (#13 for 2008) (I consider them 1.5th gen along with SeeYa, Sugar and CSJH)

Secret - Shy Boy (#15 for 2011)

AOA - Miniskirt (#15 for 2014)

f(x) - Hot Summer (#16 for 2011) 

EXID - Up & Down (#17 for 2015)

After School - Bang! (#21 for 2010)

 

 

I would say 

 

SS Tier:

1. SNSD

2. WG 

3. 2NE1

 

S Tier: 

4. Sistar

5. Davichi

6. Kara

7. T-ara

 

A Tier:

8. Brown Eyed Girls

9. Miss A

10. SeeYa

11. Apink

 

B Tier:

12. 4Minute

13. Girls Day

14. AOA

15. Secret

16. f(x)

17. After School

18. EXID

19. Jewelry (for their 2nd gen career only (Superstar, I Really Like You and Again are 1st gen hits)

20. Orange Caramel

 

C Tier:

21. Rainbow

22. Dalshabet

23. Ladies Code

24. 9Muses

25. Five Dolls

26. Black Pearl

27. Sunny Hill

28. Gavy NJ

 

if we look at everything in total (number of hits, album sales, endorsements etc) 

I've followed kpop since 2006~7 ish so I know better than most of y'all.

 

 

 

I feel like this is an accurate ranking tbh...at least for digitals anyway (but we know that's not the whole picture). I would place Sistar lower than KARA.

 

KARA overall had more success because of their Japan breakthrough and time has shown that they have more longevity too.

Sistar had a cute run of throwaway hits, but their physical sales were really poor compared to KARA. They were very much a singles artist.

 

Not to mention Sistar's success was plagued by suspicions of sajaegi and fraud by Starship for many years.

 

They did well, but KARA is overall above them. Even though KARA never had a hit as big as Alone or So Cool etc. they came close with Lupin and Step in terms of digital downloads, but their strong physical sales, success in Japan puts them above Sistar imo.

 

There are others who would probably move up and down when we include physicals, digital downloads etc. too, such as f(x).

 

Edited December 6, 2022 by Zack

[getinthezone]

18 minutes ago, Dark Horse said:

weren't they the digital queens circa de 2010~2012? sooman was shook

that was 2ne1