Rhyme Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, Adama said: Yeah! Does Jessica talk about this incident in her book? Did she publicly apologize? The fact that Taeyawn was dragged when she wasn’t even there. Really unfair Maybe in the third book she'll expand on that, their business dealings, and Tyler's gambling since Rachel has left the group now.
Sugden Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) i dont get why put the blame on taeyeon or even sooyoung like... i dont think that would have that power to kick someone out of the group even if they wanted to. Jessica's interest went against SM's, so SM was probably like "ok lets go on without her" and they alll agreed Edited May 10, 2022 by Sugden
Zack Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Pluto2022 said: Taeyeon knew she wouldn't have a successful solo career like she has today if it wasn't for Jessica leaving SM. Cause Jessica would have overshadowed her. People will drag you for this. I somewhat agree, though Taeyeon had many OSTs before solo debut so she was bound to get the most solo success. But it's worth noting that even while blacklisted and blocked, Jessica's solo did better than every other member except Taeyeon. Go figure.
OrgVisual Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, Zack said: When did they re-record Indestructible...? I confuse it with CMIYC Jessica had lines in Indestructible like why were u lying? Well the girls recorded Indestructible and Divine for the re-release of The Best and their Tokyo Dome concert in 2014 Not that the rumour did not make sense
Harrier Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, Pluto2022 said: Here is my theory about Jessica leaving SNSD: I just got into SNSD this year and I always felt like Taeyon was the mastermind in getting Jessica kicked out, due to jealousy. Jessica was obviously the star of the group and she would've have been the most pushed member to have a successful solo career by SM. She literally got kicked out for being the most successful member and Taeyon wanted to get rid of her as soon as possible before Jessica became too powerful, so she gathered some of the other members to get her kicked out. Taeyeon knew she wouldn't have a successful solo career like she has today if it wasn't for Jessica leaving SM. Cause Jessica would have overshadowed her. Jessica was the Nayeon while Taeyeon was the Jihyo. Girly Taeyeon was always more popular than Jessica, had several big OST hits while she was in the group, was in TTS, etc. Jessica was successful - but she was clearly the 3rd most popular member after Yoona & Taeyeon. Those are just facts
Rhyme Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Pluto2022 said: Here is my theory about Jessica leaving SNSD: I just got into SNSD this year and I always felt like Taeyon was the mastermind in getting Jessica kicked out, due to jealousy. Jessica was obviously the star of the group and she would've have been the most pushed member to have a successful solo career by SM. She literally got kicked out for being the most successful member and Taeyon wanted to get rid of her as soon as possible before Jessica became too powerful, so she gathered some of the other members to get her kicked out. Taeyeon knew she wouldn't have a successful solo career like she has today if it wasn't for Jessica leaving SM. Cause Jessica would have overshadowed her. Jessica was the Nayeon while Taeyeon was the Jihyo. "Star of the group" is a total lie. Taeyeon has always been by far the most popular member when you take into account her own personal fans and Yoona was neck & neck with her when it came to CFs. What was Jessica popular for exactly? That Cold Noodle song?
Zack Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 Just now, Sugden said: i dont get why put the blame on taeyeon or even sooyoung like... i dont think that would have that power to kick someone out of the group even if they wanted too. Jessica's interest went against SM's, so SM was probably like "ok lets go on without her" and they alll agreed The book suggests that Jessica offered SM royalties which the company accepted. So there was no financial conflict. The problems came because the girls/their parents didn't want Jessica to go ahead with the business and told SM they would not perform if Jessica remained in the group. So that's why SM had to change their position and go against Jessica. Otherwise, just like Yoona's acting or Taeyeon's OSTs etc. they wouldn't have cared so long as they were getting a cut of the profits.
Rhyme Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 Just now, Zack said: The book suggests that Jessica offered SM royalties which the company accepted. So there was no financial conflict. The problems came because the girls/their parents didn't want Jessica to go ahead with the business and told SM they would not perform if Jessica remained in the group. So that's why SM had to change their position and go against Jessica. Otherwise, just like Yoona's acting or Taeyeon's OSTs etc. they wouldn't have cared so long as they were getting a cut of the profits. This is believable as one of the members of the book version of TTS stealing Rachel's diary lyrics for a song.
Zack Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Rhyme said: "Star of the group" is a total lie. Taeyeon has always been by far the most popular member when you take into account her own personal fans and Yoona was neck & neck with her when it came to CFs. What was Jessica popular for exactly? That Cold Noodle song? Jessica often had way more CFs, she was tied with Yoona, not Taeyeon, who often failed to make the popularity lists. And unlike others I bring receipts: Quote Suzy – 15 CFs: Canon camera, Dominos pizza, Vita500, Smart school uniform, Sumi chips, Bean Pole outdoor, TN, Sudden Attack, Denmark Drinking Yogurt, Carribean Bay, Loen, Nintendo Super Mario Brothers, Lolita Tempika, Post office insurance, Reebok YoonA – 13 CFs: G-Star Raw Japan, Innisfree, Eider, Illuminate, LG 3D TV, Lotte Department Store, J. Estina, Casio Baby-G, Romanson, Ace Bed, Gupne Chicken, Girl, Look Jessica – 13 CFs: G-Star Raw Japan, Vanilla Co., STONEHENgE, i30, LG 3D TV, Lotte Department Store, J. Estina, Casio Baby-G, Romanson, Ace Bed, Gupne Chicken, Girl, Look Tiffany – 12 CFs: G-Star Raw Japan, Bean Pole Accessory, Levi’s, LG 3D TV, Lotte Department Store, J. Estina, Casio Baby-G, Romanson, Ace Bed, Gupne Chicken, Girl, Look Sooyoung – 11 CFs: Rhang, LG 3D TV, Lotte Department Store, J. Estina, Casio Baby-G, Romanson, Ace Bed, Gupne Chicken, Girl, Look Seohyun – 11 CFs: The Face Shop, LG 3D TV, Lotte Department Store, J. Estina, Casio Baby-G, Romanson, Ace Bed, Gupne Chicken, Girl, Look Yuri – 11 CFs: Mamonde, LG 3D TV, Lotte Department Store, J. Estina, Casio Baby-G, Romanson, Ace Bed, Gupne Chicken, Girl, Look Edited May 10, 2022 by Zack
Sugden Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Zack said: The book suggests that Jessica offered SM royalties which the company accepted. So there was no financial conflict. The problems came because the girls/their parents didn't want Jessica to go ahead with the business and told SM they would not perform if Jessica remained in the group. So that's why SM had to change their position and go against Jessica. Otherwise, just like Yoona's acting or Taeyeon's OSTs etc. they wouldn't have cared so long as they were getting a cut of the profits. why would their parents meddle in this though? they were pretty old by that point idk it just doesn't make sense to me that if jessica was so important and profitable to sm and group that they would just let the other girls kick her out
k4rmabutterfly Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) International stans trying to make SNSD the villains If this goes viral on Korea it’s OVER for Jessica she will be dragged horribly. Edited May 10, 2022 by k4rmabutterfly
Zack Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Rhyme said: This is believable as one of the members of the book version of TTS stealing Rachel's diary lyrics for a song. So why did sone fansites in China know about this being the case for days before it actually happened? There's no smoke without fire. I think you're just so dead set against Jessica you've dehumanized her and are refusing to acknowledge information that is openly out there.
Rhyme Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Zack said: Jessica often had way more CFs, she was tied with Yoona, not Taeyeon. And unlike others I bring receipts: Taeyeon was still more popular. The fact like 4 other members were right there with Jessica and you act like they were totally jealous.
Cotton Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Zack said: Jessica often had way more CFs, she was tied with Yoona, not Taeyeon. And unlike others I bring receipts: Wait what? I thought it was on Yoona getting CFs from SNSD. Nn so many of them were getting solo ones? Wow And also let’s be real guys Taeyeon was always the most popular member since forever. Then Yoona then Jessica Edited May 10, 2022 by Cotton
Aslan Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 All this SNSD talk has made me want to go listen to their discography what’s their magnum opus and what should I avoid?
Zack Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 1 minute ago, k4rmabutterfly said: International stans trying to make SNSD the villains If this goes viral on Korea is OVER for Jessica she will be dragged horribly. Korea already hates Jessica thanks to the mediaplay. So I doubt she gives a F
Rhyme Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Zack said: So why did sone fansites in China know about this being the case for days before it actually happened? There's no smoke without fire. I think you're just so dead set against Jessica you've dehumanized her and are refusing to acknowledge information that is openly out there. Dehumanizing her would be painting her as the most innocent person to ever walk this earth. Everyone makes mistakes. You're really gonna sit there and tell me SM, probably one of the most cutthroat and dominating companies in K-POP caved because Taeyeon and Sooyoung's mom wasn't having it? Sure.
AxelFox Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 The theories in here But Jessica was the best member indeed Visuals, vocals, dancing, stage presence - none of the other girls ticked all boxes the way she did. Jessica, Seohyun and Yuri are the trinity of the group and would've been so amazing as a sub unit with a better concept that what snsd was getting. Secret is honestly cooler than anything snsd put out
Harrier Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Sugden said: why would their parents meddle in this though? they were pretty old by that point idk it just doesn't make sense to me that if jessica was so important and profitable to sm and group that they would just let the other girls kick her out It is possible that the differences and conflict between the girls got so irreconcilable that SM had no choice. I actually think it makes more sense, bc it's just not in SM's interest to kick a popular member out during the heights of their success. Fashion business or not. I also think that if it was SM's doing, Jessica would be blaming them, not the members. To me it's clearly a decision borne out of emotion and deep personal issues, not business sense. That's why I'm hesitant to come down strongly for either side
Zack Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Rhyme said: Taeyeon was still more popular. The fact like 4 other members were right there with Jessica and you act like they were totally jealous. Well I don't see you bringing receipts for that, so your response is cute, but meaningless. It clearly shows Yoona and Jessica got the most solo CFs of all and this was nearly always the case. Jessica was also very popular internationally, including Japan and especially China.
OrgVisual Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Zack said: So why did sone fansites in China know about this being the case for days before it actually happened? There's no smoke without fire. I think you're just so dead set against Jessica you've dehumanized her and are refusing to acknowledge information that is openly out there. And the smoke is definitely Jessica's relationship with Tyler and her drunken mess scandal in Hong Kong Like u think the girls were mad for no reason?
hallucinate Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Aslan said: All this SNSD talk has made me want to go listen to their discography what’s their magnum opus and what should I avoid? all of their japanese albums tbh also give this bossa nova influenced excellence a listen Edited May 10, 2022 by hallucinate
Rhyme Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Aslan said: All this SNSD talk has made me want to go listen to their discography what’s their magnum opus and what should I avoid? DJ, Put it on !
Queenyoncee Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, Rhyme said: "Star of the group" is a total lie. Taeyeon has always been by far the most popular member when you take into account her own personal fans and Yoona was neck & neck with her when it came to CFs. What was Jessica popular for exactly? That Cold Noodle song? I agree that the post of the user was a little bit delusional but Jessica was one of the most popular members in SNSD. btw that Noodle Song was also extremely huge
Zack Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 Just now, Harrier said: It is possible that the differences and conflict between the girls got so irreconcilable that SM had no choice. I actually think it makes more sense, bc it's just not in SM's interest to kick a popular member out during the heights of their success. Fashion business or not. Again, someone using reason @Sugden Korean culture runs on seniority and their parents definitely had influence/decision making power in the business decisions. It's a common thing in Korea.
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