Zack Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Rhyme said: Regardless if it's true or not, Jessica really dredged up old drama and now the other girls are receiving hate because of the way she wrote it. Great. As if the other girls didn't fuel the hate right after her exit by cropping her out of pics and releasing a song saying that they're "never gonna look back". Jessica was silenced and her career in Korea was destroyed by SM because of decisions made involving the other 8 members. Why should she be forced never to talk about that? She sunk into a deep depression after being removed from the group. Krystal wrote in a fanmeeting letter that seeing her sister "crying every single day" broke her heart. At the end of the day, these books are Jessica's work and nobody can police how and when she decides to talk about things in her life that have happened to her. She's not even directly mentioning those girls. It's a work of fiction inspired by real events and I admire her bravery at speaking out against patriarchy and jealousy.
Shou7 Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 34 minutes ago, Hendery said: If Mina is actually Sooyoung like everyone says then it seems like Jessica's beef was actually with Sooyoung instead Interesting... The way this recontextualizes everything
Rhyme Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Zack said: As if the other girls didn't fuel the hate right after her exit by cropping her out of pics and releasing a song saying that they're "never gonna look back". Jessica was silenced and her career in Korea was destroyed by SM because of decisions made involving the other 8 members. Why should she be forced never to talk about that? She sunk into a deep depression after being removed from the group. Krystal wrote in a fanmeeting letter that seeing her sister "crying every single day" broke her heart. At the end of the day, these books are Jessica's work and nobody can police how and when she decides to talk about things in her life that have happened to her. She's not even directly mentioning those girls. It's a work of fiction inspired by real events and I admire her bravery at speaking out against patriarchy and jealousy. She's using the past to sell her book that's not even written by her. This isn't some confessional that she just had to get off her chest to heal. It's her throwing her former members under the bus for things that happened a long time ago and possibly even using unrelated things like Taeyeon's sister to paint a picture. People are gonna take this book as gospel when it's probably exaggerated (Like the subunit in the book stealing lyrics from her personal diary PLEASE). Whatever, hope the book sells well for Jessica.
Zack Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, Rhyme said: She's using the past to sell her book that's not even written by her. This isn't some confessional that she just had to get off her chest to heal. It's her throwing her former members under the bus for things that happened a long time ago and possibly even using unrelated things like Taeyeon's sister to paint a picture. People are gonna take this book as gospel when it's probably exaggerated (Like the subunit in the book stealing lyrics from her personal diary PLEASE). Whatever, hope the book sells well for Jessica. I see you're feeding into the patriarchy, disappointing. She was literally removed from her group and cast away, if anyone was thrown under the bus it is Jessica. Like I said, she's drawing off of her lived experience. If she hadn't been treated horribly, there would have been nothing to write about. And it is her experience. No one can take that away from her. Everyone knows now that they were planning to get her kicked from the group. Chinese fanbars knew about the situation days before it happened, and it spread on social media, which is why the Chinese media supports her, they saw the truth. The Korean media and "fans" like you bought into SM's mediaplay about the situation and have just been doing SM's dirty work ever since. The truth is never that clear cut and those 8 other girls are not angels.
Hendery Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, Shou7 said: The way this recontextualizes everything not her calling jessica lazy the whole time tbh even though Sooyoung was joking here and seemed cool with Jessica in Mr. Mr era (same with Taeyeon) it really shows we know nothing behind the scenes
xfreshkidxx Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Cotton said: ANYWAY Jessica’s book spilling the tea sfsfs not her exposing these jealous witches
MusicFan98 Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 52 minutes ago, Hendery said: If Mina is actually Sooyoung like everyone says then it seems like Jessica's beef was actually with Sooyoung instead Interesting... I highly doubt this, Sooyoung never was a relevant member in SNSD, she wasn't the leader and on top of that she left SM. Mina is clearly Taeyeon in this messy story Jessica is telling. I feel like she just read fanfics and used them as inspiration for this because it fits too perfectly and not it saying "the girls are blinded by the success of your fashion brand" Like honestly who wrote that book, Zack??
Shou7 Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 58 minutes ago, rapperjennie said: I have never seen a more chaotic MV reaction they're all screaming half the time nnn Who can blame them? If I were debuting with the most powerful 4th gen Japanese idol in k-pop and secured my bag for the foreseeable future, i'd be screaming too
Zack Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, MusicFan98 said: It saying "the girls are blinded by the success of your fashion brand" Well maybe they were? Telling that when Jessica was in SNSD, not one of them mentioned it apart from Tiffany indirectly once at a KCON interview in August. The same KCON where a backstage video showed Jessica went on stage separately from the girls and later, she was seen trying to hide her tears/crying, on the stage. Edited May 10, 2022 by Zack
Rhyme Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, Zack said: I see you're feeding into the patriarchy, disappointing. She was literally removed from her group and cast away, if anyone was thrown under the bus it is Jessica. Like I said, she's drawing off of her lived experience. If she hadn't been treated horribly, there would have been nothing to write about. And it is her experience. No one can take that away from her. Everyone knows now that they were planning to get her kicked from the group. Chinese fanbars knew about the situation days before it happened, and it spread on social media, which is why the Chinese media supports her, they saw the truth. The Korean media and "fans" like you bought into SM's mediaplay about the situation and have just been doing SM's dirty work ever since. The truth is never that clear cut and those 8 other girls are not angels. Patriarchy? Because I'm not automatically buying into whatever Jessica's ghostwriter is writing? Both parties can both be in the wrong and thats the way I've always seen it. Misunderstandings, lack of communication, and resentments that never get talked out can lead to this. I just do not believe it's as clear as Jessica painting them ALL to be jealous, petty, insecure backstabbers. Sorry, but Jessica isn't as pure as you think either.
Zack Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Rhyme said: Patriarchy? Because I'm not automatically buying into whatever Jessica's ghostwriter is writing? Both parties can both be in the wrong and thats the way I've always seen it. Misunderstandings, lack of communication, and resentments that never get talked out can lead to this. I just do not believe it's as clear as Jessica painting them ALL to be jealous, petty, insecure backstabbers. Sorry, but Jessica isn't as pure as you think either. There is literally evidence supporting everything Jessica has said since she left. There is none of that for what SM/SNSD claimed was going on. Did she miss SNSD schedules because of her business? No evidence. Did she already have plans to quit? No evidence. Did she get married after leaving? No evidence. Did she enrol at a design school? No evidence.
fountain Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 Honestly we'll never know what happened with SNSD, what went on between them is between them and too complex to paint anybody as a bad person. The reality is that I'm sure none of them were total angels and all had their own contributions to what happened, whether as an active part of it or as a bystander.
AxelFox Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 22 minutes ago, Dialamba said: their best music video and title track real music Was just reminded how this is one of the most ridiculous Kpop songs I've heard HA, HOW YOU LIKE THAT *fart noises intensify* look at you now look at me UUUGH look at youu now look at me UUGH look up in the sky it's a bird it's a plane?! Like, how does one even come up with this sh*t
Blank Space Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, xrosup said: Not much music was teased but he looks hot the budget and the beat! hope soulja and devita's parts are winwin'd.
MusicFan98 Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Zack said: Well maybe they were? Telling that when Jessica was in SNSD, not one of them mentioned it apart from Tiffany indirectly once at a KCON interview in August. The same KCON where a backstage video showed Jessica went on stage separately from the girls and later, she was seen trying to hide her tears/crying, on the stage. I'm sorry but SM is not a comprehensive company that is gonna take into account the feelings of the members of the group just so they feel better at work, when they got rid of Jessica it was SM's call not Taeyeon's or Sunny's. SM's financial interest were being in some way damaged by Jessica so they said bye bye to her and the girls simply agreed to it, maybe they didn't want to but they had to. Getting Jessica out of the group harms the SNSD brand tremendously, a brand SM built from the ground, if they let her go despite of that it's because they were being shitt* as usual. Also, if it was the girls who wanted her out I I don't see a reason why SM would banned her from national tv Like I'm sorry but it was the SM executives who came for her ass and the girls simply sat and ate their food.
Lalisa Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, AxelFox said: Was just reminded how this is one of the most ridiculous Kpop songs I've heard HA, HOW YOU LIKE THAT *fart noises intensify* look at you now look at me UUUGH look at youu now look at me UUGH look up in the sky it's a bird it's a plane?! Like, how does one even come up with this sh*t
Hendery Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, MusicFan98 said: I highly doubt this, Sooyoung never was a relevant member in SNSD, she wasn't the leader and on top of that she left SM. Mina is clearly Taeyeon in this messy story Jessica is telling. I feel like she just read fanfics and used them as inspiration for this because it fits too perfectly and not it saying "the girls are blinded by the success of your fashion brand" Like honestly who wrote that book, Zack?? Mina is a chaebol though and the only one who fits that is Sooyoung Also Mina seems pretty confrontational which despite Taeyeon being the leader, was completely the opposite of her personality back then
illia Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 30 minutes ago, Dialamba said: their best music video and title track real music Was just reminded how this is one of the most BEST Kpop songs I've heard HA, HOW YOU LIKE THAT look at you now look at me UUUGH look at youu now look at me UUGH look up in the sky it's a bird it's a plane?! Like, Teddy is such a genius
Zack Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 Just now, MusicFan98 said: I'm sorry but SM is not a comprehensive company that is gonna take into account the feelings of the members of the group just so they feel better at work, when they got rid of Jessica it was SM's call not Taeyeon's or Sunny's. SM's financial interest were being in some way damaged by Jessica so they said bye bye to her and the girls simply agreed to it, maybe they didn't want to but they had to. Getting Jessica out of the group harms the SNSD brand tremendously, a brand SM built from the ground, if they let her go despite of that it's because they were being shitt* as usual. Also, if it was the girls who wanted her out I I don't see a reason why SM would banned her from national tv Like I'm sorry but it was the SM executives who came for her ass and the girls simply sat and ate their food. No, because the book suggests that she offered SM a cut of BLANC's royalties. They also gave her permission to start the business TWICE, so I don't think they ever had a problem with the business itself. Especially since Jessica allowed them to benefit financially if we take this tea from the book as real. I think the issue stemmed from some of the members/their parents. They weren't happy with the business and told her to stop it, even though it was too late because Jessica had already signed contracts. When Jessica got permission from SM himself the 2nd time around, those members then changed their tactic and told SM, either she's out or we are. Obviously SM is going to want to preserve the group over one member. And then when Jessica posted her Weibo message (because she was angry at being kicked out of her life's work), that's when SM took issue because their image was damaged by what Jessica said. Only then did they spread mediaplay lies and blacklisted her. It was because she revealed the truth before SM could put a spin on it.
Rhyme Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 3 minutes ago, MusicFan98 said: I'm sorry but SM is not a comprehensive company that is gonna take into account the feelings of the members of the group just so they feel better at work, when they got rid of Jessica it was SM's call not Taeyeon's or Sunny's. SM's financial interest were being in some way damaged by Jessica so they said bye bye to her and the girls simply agreed to it, maybe they didn't want to but they had to. Getting Jessica out of the group harms the SNSD brand tremendously, a brand SM built from the ground, if they let her go despite of that it's because they were being shitt* as usual. Also, if it was the girls who wanted her out I I don't see a reason why SM would banned her from national tv Like I'm sorry but it was the SM executives who came for her ass and the girls simply sat and ate their food. Right? The fact the ultimatum was "The girls said they don't wanna appear at the concert with you, thats why we have to ask you to leave the group" Like it's SM Back then, they'd just crack the whip and tell them to get it together and get on the stage. Imagine thinking the 8 had that much power when had no power under their original contracts.
Harrier Posted May 10, 2022 Posted May 10, 2022 Despite Jessica's book, I still think its better to not jump to any conclusions. We still know nothing. Jessica has been a little bit more forthcoming than the other members, and my instinct is to side with her over the 8 because ganging up like they did is cruel. But we also just don't know what she was like behind the scenes - maybe the other girls feelings were legitimate. The only rational position is to be neutral. Hwayoung situation & Mina situation both proved that sometimes, the individual can be in the wrong too. Better to just support both until the actual truth is known. Some speculation: as others have said, the actual truth is probably that everybody involved did the wrong thing, that people got stubborn and didn't communicate properly. That's how falling outs happen. I disagree with those who say this is SM's doing, because the level of personal fallout is clear given Jessica has had zero interactions with the other girls since.
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