Michael196 Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 @taylorswift13's " Cruel Summer" returns to US Pop Radio Top 50 position at #49! Spins: 517 (+132) Audience: 3.053M (+0.495M) 123LGB!!!
Steve Johnson Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 29 minutes ago, Michael196 said: @taylorswift13's " Cruel Summer" returns to US Pop Radio Top 50 position at #49! Spins: 517 (+132) Audience: 3.053M (+0.495M) 123LGB!!! Summer Smash. Such a great song with incredible replay value. Jack Antonoff
JorgeM Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, vale9001 said: and why? she didn't call it "stadium tour" this time maybe for a reason. for the 1989 tour she made an hyde park show. We're giving for granted she have to tour on stadiums but why?. Open fields and festival can be a good solution in Europe for example. You don't have a pressure about filling things. You can sell 30K tickets, 40K, 50K or 60K and that's ok since you don't have a particular expected attendance in open fields. Stop underestimating Taylor. She can sold out Stadium in every single European country where global stars usually tour. About Philippines open fields would be a good solution Edited June 10, 2023 by JorgeM Grammar
Badgalbriel Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) What's the biggest venue in the Philippines, though? She could just get rid of most of the catwalk and have only the main stage. I heard there's a huge arena that could have this type of show. Edited June 10, 2023 by Badgalbriel
Steve Johnson Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said: What's the biggest venue in the Philippines, though? She could just get rid of most of the catwalk and have only the main stage. I heard there's a huge arena that could have this type of show. 20k
wastedpotential Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 1 hour ago, AndThenTheCocaine said: I think there are bound to be stage reductions for international shows though, so that probably lowers the demand for space a bit. Wasn't that the reason that negotiations fell through for Chile (and potentially Colombia too, if my memory serves)? Wasn't the issue that the local promoters wanted her to reduce the size of her stage and simplify the show, and she refused? or am I totally wrong?
Badgalbriel Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 Just now, Steve Johnson said: 20k 20k only? I thought I read somewhere it had a capacity of 50k people there.
LiamVillain Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 Pop Radio 49. Cruel Summer (RE) *new peak* Spins: 517 (+132) Audience: 3.053M (+0.495M)
wastedpotential Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said: What's the biggest venue in the Philippines, though? She could just get rid of most of the catwalk and have only the main stage. I heard there's a huge arena that could have this type of show. There is the Philippine Arena, which has a seating capacity of like 55k, but the floor is tiny (the size of an arena floor, not a stadium floor) and probably would barely fit the main stage without any of the catwalk, but without much room for fans on the floor.
Shendelzare Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Michael196 said: 10 out of her last 16 think pieces heard this loser stans H*rry
Badgalbriel Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 1 minute ago, wastedpotential said: Wasn't that the reason that negotiations fell through for Chile (and potentially Colombia too, if my memory serves)? Wasn't the issue that the local promoters wanted her to reduce the size of her stage and simplify the show, and she refused? or am I totally wrong? Yeah. But from what I was told, the shows in Brazil and Argentina will indeed have a smaller stage.
Badgalbriel Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 Just now, wastedpotential said: There is the Philippine Arena, which has a seating capacity of like 55k, but the floor is tiny (the size of an arena floor, not a stadium floor) and probably would barely fit the main stage without any of the catwalk, but without much room for fans on the floor. Well, can't she just get rid of the catwalk and have a regular stage for the Asian dates?
vale9001 Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, JorgeM said: Stop underestimating Taylor. She can sold out Stadium in every single European country where global stars usually tour. About Philippines open fields would be a good solution oh god no one is underestimate her and no she can't make like austria, switzerland, north italy, france, belgium, spain and Portugal all together. This is why Beyoncè is doing france, belgium and Spain but not Italy or austria or Switzerland or Portugal. From Milan to austria there are like 4 hours with a bus. We are not South America or Usa or Asia. Brazil alone is bigger than all europe.
wastedpotential Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 Just now, Badgalbriel said: Yeah. But from what I was told, the shows in Brazil and Argentina will indeed have a smaller stage. Obviously it's a pretty loose visual representation, but all of the graphics showing the seating layouts of the shows in Brazil and Argentina show the exact same stage design as has been used in the US. I'm not seeing what they might've reduced from the stage in these graphics, and I hadn't heard anything about stage reductions there. Maybe things will be different on the ground, we'll have to see.
Badgalbriel Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, vale9001 said: oh god no one is underestimate her and no she can't make like austria, switzerland, north italy, france, belgium, spain and Portugal all together. This is why Beyoncè is doing france, belgium and Spain but not Italy or austria or Switzerland or Portugal. From Milan to austria there are like 4 hours with a bus. We are not South America or Usa or Asia. Brazil alone is bigger than all europe. And yet were only getting 3 dates Hopefully she adds 2 more dates, one in Rio and one in Sao Paulo. Edited June 10, 2023 by Badgalbriel
thisloveisntcrazy Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, wastedpotential said: Wasn't that the reason that negotiations fell through for Chile (and potentially Colombia too, if my memory serves)? Wasn't the issue that the local promoters wanted her to reduce the size of her stage and simplify the show, and she refused? or am I totally wrong? It was. She’s not compromising any part of the show, which is good. Philippines is such a struggle, and I’m really curious how her team handle this. She’s coming for blood with this tour, she’ll definitely do several SEA countries. Which doesn’t change the fact that Philippines simply does not have venue that can handle her I guess they might do an exception and do open field but as me and miss @wastedpotentialmentioned it seems nightmarish for Taylor. Only other solution I can think of is doing a literal month long residency with adjusted eras stage, but not making it part of your officially
wastedpotential Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said: Well, can't she just get rid of the catwalk and have a regular stage for the Asian dates? That would require her to build a new stage in the first place and then completely re-design the show, the sets, the choreo, the pyro etc etc etc to fit it. When there are perfectly usable stadiums in Japan, Singapore, Indonesia, Thailand, and Malaysia, it doesn't seem like it would be worth the money to make all of those changes for the Philippines, where the gross probably wouldn't be large enough to offset that cost in the first place.
Badgalbriel Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 Just now, wastedpotential said: That would require her to build a new stage in the first place and then completely re-design the show, the sets, the choreo, the pyro etc etc etc to fit it. When there are perfectly usable stadiums in Japan, Singapore, Indonesia, Thailand, and Malaysia, it doesn't seem like it would be worth the money to make all of those changes for the Philippines, where the gross probably wouldn't be large enough to offset that cost in the first place. That's true. In this case, I guess they will have to settle for the Taylor Swift from the shopping mall.
wastedpotential Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 Just now, thisloveisntcrazy said: It was. She’s not compromising any part of the show, which is good. Philippines is such a struggle, and I’m really curious how her team handle this. She’s coming for blood with this tour, she’ll definitely do several SEA countries. Which doesn’t change the fact that Philippines simply does not have venue that can handle her I guess they might do an exception and do open field but as me and miss @wastedpotentialmentioned it seems nightmarish for Taylor. Only other solution I can think of is doing a literal month long residency with adjusted eras stage, but not making it part of your officially I feel like she's gonna do longer residencies at the stadiums in Tokyo and Singapore (and maybe Bangkok, KL, and Jakarta) and get people to come to her, to save herself the massive headache of adapting the show for the Philippines.
thisloveisntcrazy Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said: Yeah. But from what I was told, the shows in Brazil and Argentina will indeed have a smaller stage. That’s not true, that one account who originally leaked CDM dates made infographic to prove it’s the same stage.
wastedpotential Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 Just now, Badgalbriel said: That's true. In this case, I guess they will have to settle for the Taylor Swift from the shopping mall. It really sucks, since they're by far her best performing market per capita and she could probably play for a million people in one go, but it's just not easy enough for her to do
JorgeM Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, vale9001 said: oh god no one is underestimate her and no she can't make like austria, switzerland, north italy, france, belgium, spain and Portugal all together. This is why Beyoncè is doing france, belgium and Spain but not Italy or austria or Switzerland or Portugal. From Milan to austria there are like 4 hours with a bus. We are not South America or Usa or Asia. Brazil alone is bigger than all europe. Yes she can, oh absolutely she can, you are not understating Taylor Swift phenomen right now
thisloveisntcrazy Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said: And yet were only getting 3 dates Hopefully she adds 2 more dates, one in Rio and one in Sao Paulo. Sis this is given, the question is if Sao Paula is getting more than 1 date.
JorgeM Posted June 10, 2023 Posted June 10, 2023 1 hour ago, wastedpotential said: Yeah, the difference in fan experience between a stadium and an open field is something that people don't think about. Taylor's stage for the Eras tour takes up a significant amount of space compared to the average touring stage, and is literally designed to best fit in a stadium, where most people are sitting above and looking down. The show is designed to be seen on the screens behind her, but also from the stands above (given the effects on the literal stage floor itself), plus the expensive dancers and set pieces and pyro are basically wasted at a field show, since only those in the front will be able to see them properly. Field shows work best for rock bands where they just play on a raised rectangle with a screen behind, because it's much more about hearing the music and feeling the energy of the music and the crowds than it is watching the show, and the Eras tour is too much of a visual show. Sure she could adapt the show to fit these requirements (though it would be a completely different show by that point), but that would cost a lot of extra money, and it's just easier getting fans to fly to places with stadiums. Plus, putting up the temporary physical infrastructure that a stadium inherently provides (such as creating a separation between those with tickets and those without tickets, or on site concessions stands and toilets, dressing rooms, etc etc) is expensive, and doesn't make nearly as much sense outside of a music festival context where that cost burden can be spread around multiple acts drawing multiple crowds (and thus more people). Plus, stadiums come with their own army of logistic, management, construction, security, and concessions staff that Taylor would have to find and hire locally. It can certainly be done (and many artists do choose to go this way), but for a show that's as expensive to put on as Taylor's, it doesn't make sense to do an open field show in a market where the ticket prices cannot be set high enough to offset the extra costs just because the appropriate venue isn't there. If Taylor had chosen to do an open field show in New York or LA, then it would make financial sense, but they already have massive 80k+ stadiums that can accommodate the large crowds with a superior fan experience. I am quite sure Philippines fans prefer an open field to nothing.
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