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[Enrique523]

9 hours ago, IBeMe said:

Did NOT expect that reaction from the haters to my Ray of Light thread i thought it was a given at this point that Taylor's transformative abilities and quality song writing were established even on this hater filled site....damn  the bitterness is INSANE.

I'm always ready for the haters stones amd never let it be a reason to shut us down from creating good conversation but sometimes even I get shocked by how dumb some haters on here are....

Yeah, i didn't expect it to go any other way 

 

Taylor haters are absolutely insane in here and on stan twitter, they just cannot give her ANY credit for anything. And that's never going to change, they're so full of hatred and bitterness over her success so the only way they can make themselves feel better is by trashing her in the most extreme way possible (with the full approval of the mods of course, which makes things so much worse) just to feel better about the situation. They genuinely think that hating her so vocally somehow makes her legacy "lesser" and that's just not the way it works, Madonna has also received insane hatred her whole career and she's still the Queen of Pop.

 

It's really pure blind hate, there's no rational thinking behind it whatsoever. It's the MAGA equivalent of pop music and i'm 100% serious about it.

[Enrique523]

4 hours ago, Cleanromantic said:

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That madonna album is one of the most overrated albums on this site 

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The fact I never see it discussed on any other online space is an other proof of how out of touch people in here are 

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And the way Taylor makes them foam at the mouth is very concerning, the whole brigade on atrl that "songwriting is not a real talent and anyone can do it" is because they think saying it is is them admitting Taylor is talented, so they swing in the complete other direction 

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And it's funny when you see these members trying to project this objective, music connaisseur image when they absolutely lose it and start acting like dogs with rabies at the mere mention of Taylor's name 

 

 

 

 

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You and i have agreed on many things in the past but i will NOT tolerate this Ray of Light slander, take that back immediately 

 

I do agree on everything else though, the way people suddenly pretend songwriting is not a "real talent" is absolute insanity, it's one of the most important creative talents you can imagine. i tried writing songs myself in the past and i just couldn't do it, i don't have any kind of creative flow in both lyrics and melodies. People saying that clearly never tried songwriting themselves 

 

[Timeless]

4 hours ago, Cleanromantic said:

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That madonna album is one of the most overrated albums on this site 

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The fact I never see it discussed on any other online space is an other proof of how out of touch people in here are 

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And the way Taylor makes them foam at the mouth is very concerning, the whole brigade on atrl that "songwriting is not a real talent and anyone can do it" is because they think saying it is is them admitting Taylor is talented, so they swing in the complete other direction 

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And it's funny when you see these members trying to project this objective, music connaisseur image when they absolutely lose it and start acting like dogs with rabies at the mere mention of Taylor's name 

 

 

 

 

High five sista 

 

[Badgalbriel]

That Ray of Light discussion was just unnecessary, tbh. 

[Cleanromantic]

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Yeah, @IBeMe should stick to doing ungodly acts with strange men in parking lots and not set the lord up like that 

 

[Enrique523]

3 hours ago, Badgalbriel said:

That Ray of Light discussion was just unnecessary, tbh. 

Maybe but the way other people reacted was just absurd 

 

I find it funny how Madonna only seems to be receiving her flowers NOW from other fanbases just because Taylor has become their #1 enemy. I remember Madonna being trashed for YEARS on forums like this (primarily from Liddos but also from some other fanbases) but now that Taylor is the only modern pop girl who has an actual chance of surpassing her in overall success they act as if they always respected Madonna's legacy. Just shameless lies all around 

[wastedpotential]

I think @IBeMe's thread was just a sneak preview for what we're gonna get in a few months when Taylor passes Madonna on ChartMasters 

 

I hope y'all are ready for that fight, I'm thinking of taking a quick trip to the beach that weekend because I racked up a few too many wps getting my licks in at Disease and can't afford to get into it  

 

 

[TaggedGalaxy]

1 hour ago, wastedpotential said:

I think @IBeMe's thread was just a sneak preview for what we're gonna get in a few months when Taylor passes Madonna on ChartMasters 

 

I hope y'all are ready for that fight, I'm thinking of taking a quick trip to the beach that weekend because I racked up a few too many wps getting my licks in at Disease and can't afford to get into it  

 

 

I can't wait, let me keep it cute for a while and wait for my WPs to expire so that I can drag some geriatrics

[Dear Reader]

1 hour ago, wastedpotential said:

I think @IBeMe's thread was just a sneak preview for what we're gonna get in a few months when Taylor passes Madonna on ChartMasters 

 

I hope y'all are ready for that fight, I'm thinking of taking a quick trip to the beach that weekend because I racked up a few too many wps getting my licks in at Disease and can't afford to get into it  

 

 

I don't care enough to drag them anymore. I've had my fun with dragging a certain user last week but that was it. They never argue in good faith and their trolling is boring 

[Enrique523]

2 hours ago, wastedpotential said:

I think @IBeMe's thread was just a sneak preview for what we're gonna get in a few months when Taylor passes Madonna on ChartMasters 

 

I hope y'all are ready for that fight, I'm thinking of taking a quick trip to the beach that weekend because I racked up a few too many wps getting my licks in at Disease and can't afford to get into it  

 

 

Oh trust me this is gonna be an absolute NIGHTMARE for me when that moment comes 

 

Madonna and Taylor are both my absolute faves and the mere thought of seeing all this fake praise toward Madonna just for the sake of hating Taylor makes me wanna vomit 

I'm also not sure if i'm gonna be able to go into that fight, it's gonna be too soul crushing for me. I HATE when my faves are put up against each other 

[every1blinks]

6 hours ago, Enrique523 said:

Yeah, i didn't expect it to go any other way 

 

Taylor haters are absolutely insane in here and on stan twitter, they just cannot give her ANY credit for anything. And that's never going to change, they're so full of hatred and bitterness over her success so the only way they can make themselves feel better is by trashing her in the most extreme way possible (with the full approval of the mods of course, which makes things so much worse) just to feel better about the situation. They genuinely think that hating her so vocally somehow makes her legacy "lesser" and that's just not the way it works, Madonna has also received insane hatred her whole career and she's still the Queen of Pop.

 

It's really pure blind hate, there's no rational thinking behind it whatsoever. It's the MAGA equivalent of pop music and i'm 100% serious about it.

Tragically this is what stan culture has become. After someone has their squad of pop girls, every other artist is "terrible" and their accomplishments are discredited and explained away so that their favorite girls still come out on top somehow. It's so dumb and oddly insecure

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, every1blinks said:

Tragically this is what stan culture has become. After someone has their squad of pop girls, every other artist is "terrible" and their accomplishments are discredited and explained away so that their favorite girls still come out on top somehow. It's so dumb and oddly insecure

Completely agree. I'm not that old but i'm old enough to remember stan culture before social media completely took over our lives, it was not like that back then. You could dislike someone without pretending they didn't accomplish anything or that they're completely talentless somehow. It's insane how things have gotten so much more toxic 

 

And yeah it's pure insecurity. They'll never admit it of course but there's no way you can explain this behavior without DEEP insecurity. Those people literally live through their faves and it's not healthy 

[1989]

7 hours ago, Timeless said:

One of us needs to change pfps I fear 

lol I changed mine back to my usual, that was just a fun moment 

[TaylorNation]

is the tour book really not going to be restocked?  

[every1blinks]

3 hours ago, Enrique523 said:

Completely agree. I'm not that old but i'm old enough to remember stan culture before social media completely took over our lives, it was not like that back then. You could dislike someone without pretending they didn't accomplish anything or that they're completely talentless somehow. It's insane how things have gotten so much more toxic 

 

And yeah it's pure insecurity. They'll never admit it of course but there's no way you can explain this behavior without DEEP insecurity. Those people literally live through their faves and it's not healthy 

It's truly concerning. I don't understand how stanning went from supporting artists you love to obsessing over artists you hate 

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, every1blinks said:

It's truly concerning. I don't understand how stanning went from supporting artists you love to obsessing over artists you hate 

Tell me about it. There's a few pop stars i truly dislike (Gaga being the first, really can't stand her ) but you would never see me obsessively go into EVERY Gaga thread spreading hate in a completely delusional way. It's just not something i could ever see myself do and i don't understand people who do that kind of stuff all the time 

 

I'm no psychologist but there HAS to be something off in their lives, otherwise they wouldn't spent so much time viciously hating a pop star they don't even truly know, especially when they have to lie about her all the time to make their obsession look "moral" 

[Kyle-x]

Did the discography song sorter

 

1. All Too Well (both)
2. Last Kiss
3. ivy
4. Teardrops on My Guitar
5. Fresh Out the Slammer
6. Guilty as Sin?
7. You're on Your Own, Kid
8. I Almost Do
9. I Know Places
10. Forever Winter
11. Begin Again
12. Dear John
13. Sad Beautiful Tragic
14. 'tis the damn season
15. Better Man
16. Would've, Could've, Should've
17. cardigan
18. peace
19. august
20. Midnight Rain
21. tolerate it
22. Enchanted
23. cowboy like me
24. The Tortured Poets Department
25. Treacherous

26. Clean

27. Haunted

28. Back to December

29. The Bolter

30. Peter

31. the 1

32. Forever & Always

33. Our Song

34. White Horse

35. You Belong with Me

36. Should've Said No

37. Anti-Hero

38. Afterglow

39. Cornelia Street

40. this is me trying

41. Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus

42. Fearless

43. illicit affairs

44. mirrorball

45. Cruel Summer

46. Karma

47. hoax

48. Delicate

49. So Long, London

50. Fortnight

 

 

I feel like when I was younger I had all of her wistful and upbeat songs up high but as an adult I have all of her melancholy songs

 

[Holiest Dreams]

On 1/4/2025 at 9:01 PM, IBeMe said:

Did NOT expect that reaction from the haters to my Ray of Light thread i thought it was a given at this point that Taylor's transformative abilities and quality song writing were established even on this hater filled site....damn  the bitterness is INSANE.

I'm always ready for the haters stones amd never let it be a reason to shut us down from creating good conversation but sometimes even I get shocked by how dumb some haters on here are....

 

The funniest thing is that…

 

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Red, 1989, and folklore are all more acclaimed than ROL by objective metrics and lists, and it's not even close.  

And I'm a huge Madonna fan, so it's not a knock at her or anything. ROL is one of my favorite albums of all time and I need something like it from Taylor.

 

But those three Taylor albums have seen greater success critically and commercially, and in terms of staying power and long-term discussion/praise especially from the GP. It's just hilarious that people pretend this is not the case. Madonna is extremely acclaimed for a reason, and that's why her success was always so impressive and seen as a benchmark. She has huge acclaim and huge commercial stats…. Which is exactly what Taylor has. It's funny to see people pretend otherwise though. 

I think Taylor having two 90s, an 88, two 85s, and an 82 on Metacritic should speak for itself. Plus 2-3 albums regularly included on most ALL TIME lists (I think Taylor has more albums than Madonna on Rolling Stone's Top 500 for example). These people are just completely out of touch with reality and ONE singular album getting mixed reviews - literally more positive leaning and not actually panned - made them think all her acclaim went poof into thin air. It's comical

[Holiest Dreams]

The way people act about Taylor boils down to this one simple thing:

 

She has reached a new stratosphere of tangible, objective success on par with MJ or The Beatles; one which was was previously thought to be unattainable for a woman in music. They have to find something to knock her for, so they come after things that aren't measurable and attack her character by just making stuff up as they go.
 

She's one of the most overall acclaimed female musicians even on ATRL's sometimes*-beloved Pitchfork, but then again that doesn't suit their narrative that it's "just the Swiftie at Rolling Stone being up her ass". Enough said. 

 

*Only beloved when they trash Taylor. See: them going from the 'epitome of musical journalism' when they "panned" TTPD, to a 'joke publication' when they gave HMHAS the same score.

Edited yesterday at 06:31 AM by Holiest Dreams

[Calvin]

52 minutes ago, Holiest Dreams said:

Only beloved when they trash Taylor. See: them going from the 'epitome of musical journalism' when they "panned" TTPD, to a 'joke publication' when they gave HMHAS the same score.

I was reading that joke publication's SOS: LANA review. They literally praised SZA for including Lana as SOS's deluxe but dragged Taylor for TTPD's length. Such hypocrisy, that's why I never take these losers seriously. 
LANA is a mediocre record, horribly mixed, yet they gave it 8.8

[Brooklyn Baby]

Had this on loop earlier. Deserved better on the Discography Rate

 

 

[Dear Reader]

1 hour ago, Brooklyn Baby said:

Had this on loop earlier. Deserved better on the Discography Rate

 

 

Today on "Opposite Day"

 

[Klein]

1 hour ago, Brooklyn Baby said:

Had this on loop earlier. Deserved better on the Discography Rate

 

 

Thank you. Uglies will disagree though 

[Enrique523]

5 hours ago, Holiest Dreams said:

I think Taylor having two 90s, an 88, two 85s, and an 82 on Metacritic should speak for itself. Plus 2-3 albums regularly included on most ALL TIME lists (I think Taylor has more albums than Madonna on Rolling Stone's Top 500 for example). These people are just completely out of touch with reality and ONE singular album getting mixed reviews - literally more positive leaning and not actually panned - made them think all her acclaim went poof into thin air. It's comical

It's really hilarious isn't it? 

 

The way they act as if TTPD is the most panned album of all time AND that her previous albums somehow didn't get glowing reviews is the worst kind of revisionism i think i've ever seen on this hellhole of a forum. Pure derangement, ANYTHING to feel like they're "winning" something 

 

5 hours ago, Holiest Dreams said:

She has reached a new stratosphere of tangible, objective success on par with MJ or The Beatles; one which was was previously thought to be unattainable for a woman in music. They have to find something to knock her for, so they come after things that aren't measurable and attack her character by just making stuff up as they go.

Oh yeah, that's why they're always talking about this mythical "impact" that they themselves can't even put into words, it's all about feelings and vibes. "Impact" is extremely subjective and they always want to reduce the concept of impact to how many celebrities worship their faves instead of the impact their faves have on everyday people. Taylor has a WAY bigger objective impact on pop culture than any of their faves just because she's the only one who managed to create this kind of massive fanbase. No other modern pop star managed to accomplish something like that (no shade to them, it's just a fact).

 

And of course they always have to lie about who she is as a person just because they so desperately want to appear "moral" while attacking her. They want to pretend to be "woke" while clearly being misogynistic. I hate fake activism so much 

[Taylor fanboy]

Did she forget that she owes us Sweeter Than Fiction TV?

 

I've had enough of the LQ version uploaded in a podcast episode.