cliche_display Posted August 11, 2022 Posted August 11, 2022 (edited) Not lying as a coping mechanism. Most talented black singers will never be Beyonce or Rihanna. Normani included. Chloe, Justine, Ryan Destiny, Jordyn Woods, Tinashe are all talented. They just might not ever be a part of a big record like Normani has because that's the way the cookie crumbles. The irony of being in a Normani thread, knowing that Normani's label has been a mess in terms of supporting her despite her early success, and then downplaying her success to feel better about other girls flopping is exactly why Normani's label doesn't support her...Tinashe is a flop and up to this point so is Chloe. Yall do not like Fair because it flopped but you want to defend Chloe and Tinashe for releasing flop material. Work out that double standard please. Edited August 11, 2022 by cliche_display
cliche_display Posted August 11, 2022 Posted August 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Power love said: It’s not our fault you live in a basement. The whole world must live in the basement then. In the Normani thread we can deal with the reality of Normani being a bigger draw than Tinashe. It's that simple. Normani doing these numbers would be a catastrophe 4 hours ago, popularmoonlight said: Hun, I'm very sure lots of people listen to Tinashe. Very very sure.
Protocol Posted August 11, 2022 Posted August 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, cliche_display said: Okay "X" has almost the same streams as "Fair" on Spotify despite being an indie release... Like, Tinashe's songs still get millions of streams. And she makes ALL the money from it.
jdanton2 Posted August 11, 2022 Posted August 11, 2022 On 8/10/2022 at 10:24 AM, FAN said: I think she’s on Megan’s album which is rumoured to drop any day now. looks like she did not make the cut.
cliche_display Posted August 11, 2022 Posted August 11, 2022 1 minute ago, jdanton2 said: looks like she did not make the cut. Make the cut? Did she even record something with her
Protocol Posted August 11, 2022 Posted August 11, 2022 8 minutes ago, cliche_display said: The whole world must live in the basement then. In the Normani thread we can deal with the reality of Normani being a bigger draw than Tinashe. It's that simple. Normani doing these numbers would be a catastrophe Very very sure. If Normani released an album right now it very well could do those numbers. 7k streams is equivalent to 10.5 million streams. It took "Fair" months to get to that mark.
orange22 Posted August 11, 2022 Posted August 11, 2022 (edited) Most people have tried to move on from that discussion and yet here one user still goes… and I wouldn’t make fun of first week album numbers until an album is released Edited August 11, 2022 by orange22
jdanton2 Posted August 11, 2022 Posted August 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, cliche_display said: Make the cut? Did she even record something with her since they are good friends i would think they might be doing some collabs . several other random artists are on it instead.
Protocol Posted August 11, 2022 Posted August 11, 2022 It would've been a great look for her to be on the Meghan album. Her management should've pushed for it or had some kind of agreement when they did "Diamonds". Oh well. It's also disappointing she wasn't on a remix of the Chris Brown song instead of just being the video girl. Same with the Baby Keem/Kendrick song. If she wants to be a music artist the public has to hear her not just see her.
cliche_display Posted August 11, 2022 Posted August 11, 2022 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Protocol said: "X" has almost the same streams as "Fair" on Spotify despite being an indie release... Like, Tinashe's songs still get millions of streams . And she makes ALL the money from it. A single Tinashe song has almost the same amount of streams as Normani's flop song? Isn't that sort of pathetic? X was produced by 3 people and co-written by three people. Only one of those six is Tinashe. So let's say she makes a generous 40% of the recording and publishing royalties on that song after she splits with cowriters and producers. Meanwhile Spotify pays an average of $0.0033 per stream Let's do the math: 12,000,000 streams x $0.0033 per stream = $39,600 After being split 6 ways let's say Tinashe gets 40% = $15,840 Management usually takes 10% -15% so that $15K goes down to $13K when Roc Nation gets their cut Then Tinashe Inc has to pay taxes at the corporate rate of 21% so that 13K goes down to 10K. Plus she had to pay a distributor to get her music on the streaming platforms, probably pay to copyright it, and finance the whole production herself. So what is her profit after we factor expenses. 5K? 6K? Wow! And she gets to keep it all? Many people commenting in here clearly don't have any business sense or are young and naive. Streaming is a volumes game. If you aren't doing 100s of millions of streams you most likely aren't making money unless you get your song synched in some kind of visual media that pays well or get heavy radio play (and have publishing) or get some kind of label advance, or tour etc. Delivery drivers can make more than X made Tinashe honestly. Lmao Edited August 11, 2022 by cliche_display
Protocol Posted August 11, 2022 Posted August 11, 2022 20 minutes ago, cliche_display said: A single Tinashe song has almost the same amount of streams as Normani's flop song? Isn't that sort of pathetic? X was produced by 3 people and co-written by three people. Only one of those six is Tinashe. So let's say she makes a generous 40% of the recording and publishing royalties on that song after she splits with cowriters and producers. Meanwhile Spotify pays an average of $0.0033 per stream Let's do the math: 12,000,000 streams x $0.0033 per stream = $39,600 After being split 6 ways let's say Tinashe gets 40% = $15,840 Management usually takes 10% -15% so that $15K goes down to $13K when Roc Nation gets their cut Then Tinashe Inc has to pay taxes at the corporate rate of 21% so that 13K goes down to 10K. Plus she had to pay a distributor to get her music on the streaming platforms, probably pay to copyright it, and finance the whole production herself. So what is her profit after we factor expenses. 5K? 6K? Wow! And she gets to keep it all? Many people commenting in here clearly don't have any business sense or are young and naive. Streaming is a volumes game. If you aren't doing 100s of millions of streams you most likely aren't making money unless you get your song synched in some kind of visual media that pays well or get heavy radio play (and have publishing) or get some kind of label advance, or tour etc. Delivery drivers can make more than X made Tinashe honestly. Lmao A lot of things wrong here. First of all, Spotify pays more than that. Second, for an urban artist like Tinashe Spotify would only represent about 30% of her total streams, more of which will come from Apple Music which pays more. So you've got to multiply all those amounts, which are already too low, by at least 3. And paying a distributor is cheap. TuneCore is like $30 a year for a whole album. She also most likely has loans and other financial arrangements in place. I doubt it's coming from her checking account. Like you said it's Tinashe Inc. If she can keep doing it for multiple albums with top notch production and artwork and music videos, including a re-release of her last album, it means it's working. Otherwise she would not be putting out music like so many other artists who retire because they can't get anyone to fund their music. Anyway this is all off topic except to say that IMO in my own humble personal opinion Normani may as well look into independent finances because clearly the label situation is toxic and not working. She has released two songs in three years despite constantly talking about grinding and endless photos of her in studios.
cliche_display Posted August 11, 2022 Posted August 11, 2022 (edited) In the Normani thread someone said Normani gets more attention for her music than artists who constantly release songs that aren't popular and this much is true. 27 minutes ago, Protocol said: A lot of things wrong here. First of all, Spotify pays more than that. Second, for an urban artist like Tinashe Spotify would only represent about 30% of her total streams, more of which will come from Apple Music which pays more. So you've got to multiply all those amounts, which are already too low, by at least 3. And paying a distributor is cheap. TuneCore is like $30 a year for a whole album. Okay dear Edited August 11, 2022 by cliche_display
AFullMoonlight Posted August 11, 2022 Posted August 11, 2022 Not y’all still going at it. X came out months before Fair, so what are you really trying to say with that comparison? Do y’all even know how to debate? Stop the madness. Go to Tinashe’s base to talk about her. For her to be as active as she is and y’all to be going as hard as y’all are in this thread about NORMANI, her base thread is filled with crickets.
Protocol Posted August 11, 2022 Posted August 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, cliche_display said: Okay dear Yes sweetie? Would you like to refute anything I said? It's not my fault you are misinformed about royalty rates and the proportion of streams that comes from Spotify. Apple Music is exclusively subscription-based unlike Spotify and pays more per stream, this is well-known. And you yourself can go on TuneCore's website to check out how much it costs. It's a cheap automated process. Peace be with you and stream "Wild Side". Done with the off topic chatter. I guess it's all in the context of where Normani's career could be heading, but still.
Flare Posted August 11, 2022 Posted August 11, 2022 Just now, AFullMoonlight said: Not y’all still going at it. X came out months before Fair, so what are you really trying to say with that comparison? Do y’all even know how to debate? Stop the madness. Go to Tinashe’s base to talk about her. For her to be as active as she is and y’all to be going as hard as y’all are in this thread about NORMANI, her base thread is filled with crickets. Yeah it’s getting ridiculous. So much activity and almost none is actually about Normani. Lemme actually get to reporting. Jump in to save the integrity of base!
AFullMoonlight Posted August 11, 2022 Posted August 11, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Flare said: Sean Bankhead just got back to LA this morning and is doing rehearsals. Based on history, this is either for Lil Nas X or Normani. If it was for Latto, he would do it in Atlanta where she lives, like all her other live performances. If Normani is about to make something happen, she’s going to start teasing next week (or someone in her circle will). They have to rollout a song and performance slot so, they can’t wait until the absolute last week (i hope ). The fact that folks have to track Sean to know what’s going on. I do hope she’s up to something though. Also, I was kinda hoping she worked with Brian Friedman. Sean’s choreo is great, but I would like to see her work with more choreographers. Edited August 11, 2022 by AFullMoonlight
cliche_display Posted August 11, 2022 Posted August 11, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Protocol said: Yes sweetie? Would you like to refute anything I said? It's not my fault you are misinformed about royalty rates and the proportion of streams that comes from Spotify. Apple Music is exclusively subscription-based unlike Spotify and pays more per stream, this is well-known. And you yourself can go on TuneCore's website to check out how much it costs. It's a cheap automated process. Peace be with you and stream "Wild Side". Done with the off topic chatter. I guess it's all in the context of where Normani's career could be heading, but still. 333 was distributed by Equity Distribution and they take 15% Every website estimates the Spotify payout between 0.003 and 0.005 Flop music is not magically more lucrative on a different platform if it's flopping on that platform too. Just stop. Tinashe is not making good money from streaming. For example, on X she doesn't get 100 percent, she has 5 other copyright holders on the song, she's paying a distributor 15%, she prob pays for studio costs and all other production costs out of pocket, she has to pay her management a percentage of income, so after taxes and expenses she's making next to nothing on flop recorded material. X is not charting on AM either so it's not making any significant money there either. Would you be interested in the math on how Normani likely generated six figures of income on just one song? Edited August 11, 2022 by cliche_display
cliche_display Posted August 11, 2022 Posted August 11, 2022 16 minutes ago, AFullMoonlight said: Not y’all still going at it. X came out months before Fair, so what are you really trying to say with that comparison? Do y’all even know how to debate? Stop the madness. Go to Tinashe’s base to talk about her. For her to be as active as she is and y’all to be going as hard as y’all are in this thread about NORMANI, her base thread is filled with crickets. Crickets! but the moment someone mentions the other girls in passing all the lies and delusions pour out. My God some of you should be streaming New To You or something.
AFullMoonlight Posted August 11, 2022 Posted August 11, 2022 Anyways. Who remembers if they snatched down the WS snippets on YouTube before dropping? There’s several videos for CP and about a minute of the song has been heard already.
cliche_display Posted August 11, 2022 Posted August 11, 2022 = 1 hour ago, Protocol said: If Normani released an album right now it very well could do those numbers. 7k streams is equivalent to 10.5 million streams. It took "Fair" months to get to that mark. "7K streams is equivalent to 10.5 million streams." Hun, what? You have no earthly idea what you're talking about. Album streams combine all tracks on the album. If you have a 16 track album and you pulled 7K SPS you're averaging less than 656,000 streams per song. Normani's label would have to sabotage her for her to pull 7K in the first week.
orange22 Posted August 11, 2022 Posted August 11, 2022 12 minutes ago, cliche_display said: = "7K streams is equivalent to 10.5 million streams." Hun, what? You have no earthly idea what you're talking about. Album streams combine all tracks on the album. If you have a 16 track album and you pulled 7K SPS you're averaging less than 656,000 streams per song. Normani's label would have to sabotage her for her to pull 7K in the first week. We’ll see but don’t get ahead of yourself
cliche_display Posted August 12, 2022 Posted August 12, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, orange22 said: We’ll see but don’t get ahead of yourself Fair enough. Pun intended. If Normani put Love Lies, Motivation, Wild Side and Waves on an EP, the EP could be platinum eligible. It's just too bad they're all spaced out over 4 years and for different projects. According to Nielsen, Motivation was streamed 16M times in its first week in the US. That would contribute over 10K units to an album's opening week if it were released in the same week. So if her fourth highest charting song since going solo is any indication of what her label can accomplish then setting the bar at 7K for an entire album is a mess. If you really think she will only pull 7K then you have to admit that her label is failing her now when they could have guaranteed her at least a Billboard top 10-20 opening in 2019. If you admit her label is failing her, yet you're in her base mocking the fact that RCA hasn't released her album, just so you can elevate people whose numbers would probably get Normani dropped then I dont know what to say. Edited August 12, 2022 by cliche_display
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