fan base Normani

[NormaniQueen]

6 hours ago, Topaz said:

Didnt it take 2 years for it to drop since the snippet too? So techncially 3 years LOL.

 

If she does drop videos she should just drop video for Xmas all at once. I hope she used these 6 months in the studio recording her second album. If she has to wait 6 months to promote an era she should just jump to the next era already.

lol yessss, it's to the point where i'm done begging for the candy paint mv. that outfit that we saw her in on the video set in june was SICKENING though, i can't lie. 

Edited November 21 by NormaniQueen

[Binxstan]

12 hours ago, Hey200200 said:

I really thought we had good chance of her being on the Coachella line up ……… a artist like her would really thrive there and bring in some new fans and supporters 

Why would anyone in their right mind think she'd be performing at a major festival like Coachella? 

 

Firstly It costs artists money to perform at festivals, and unless you're a major star your costs can be more than the fee your paid, which doesn't matter as a good performances can be an investment, to help build your brand and gain new fans, go viral on TT...but it's obviously clear to anyone with half a brain cell that after 6 years and one album that peaked at #91 RCA have stopped investing in Normani. 

 

Secondly why would Cochella want to book her? Like give me one reason? Because after 6 years, no visuals and near radio silence on socials she's managed to kill all of her hype. Her album sold 2,000 pure copies so If only 2000 people are willing to pay $15 for an album, I can't image that adding her to the line-up would increase ticket sales at all. 

 

It's such a shame because she could've been the biggest star to come from 5H, but apart from her parents health troubles there's obviously got to be more going on behind the scenes or she simply doesn't want it as much as some of you want it for her.

 

 

Edited November 21 by Binxstan

[l3disko]

2 hours ago, Binxstan said:

Why would anyone in their right mind think she'd be performing at a major festival like Coachella? 

 

Firstly It costs artists money to perform at festivals, and unless you're a major star your costs can be more than the fee your paid, which doesn't matter as a good performances can be an investment, to help build your brand and gain new fans, go viral on TT...but it's obviously clear to anyone with half a brain cell that after 6 years and one album that peaked at #91 RCA have stopped investing in Normani. 

 

Secondly why would Cochella want to book her? Like give me one reason? Because after 6 years, no visuals and near radio silence on socials she's managed to kill all of her hype. Her album sold 2,000 pure copies so If only 2000 people are willing to pay $15 for an album, I can't image that adding her to the line-up would increase ticket sales at all. 

 

It's such a shame because she could've been the biggest star to come from 5H, but apart from her parents health troubles there's obviously got to be more going on behind the scenes or she simply doesn't want it as much as some of you want it for her.

 

 

I mean, you can't tell me she's less relevant than most of the people at the bottom of the line up.

 

I don't think anyone is delulu enough to expect her to be a headliner or up there with Anitta, TWA Twigs, etc. But there's artists there that have less than 20k followers and have never charted in their entire careers.

 

Edited November 21 by l3disko

[AFullMoonlight]

Of course nobody is expecting for her to headline, but she could absolutely book Coachella. There's people who have never charted on that lineup. Acting like the point of festivals isn't to showcase a variety of talent for what? 
 

Honestly, I'm taking this as an early sign of the same BS happening next year. Unless she's planning to be on tour that weekend what is the excuse? Do they not see the value in festivals? Is she throwing all the money she does have into music videos that she seems to have no clue when they'll drop? 

[Binxstan]

2 minutes ago, AFullMoonlight said:

Of course nobody is expecting for her to headline, but she could absolutely book Coachella. There's people who have never charted on that lineup. Acting like the point of festivals isn't to showcase a variety of talent for what? 
 

Honestly, I'm taking this as an early sign of the same BS happening next year. Unless she's planning to be on tour that weekend what is the excuse? Do they not see the value in festivals? Is she throwing all the money she does have into music videos that she seems to have no clue when they'll drop? 

Yes the point is also to showcase talent, launch careers and cultivate fan bases. I literally said that in my post. I also said that its clear RCA have stopped investing in her after disappointing returns they're not longer trying to spend money to do anything of the things mentioned.

[justifymythreads]

On 11/21/2024 at 9:12 AM, Binxstan said:

Yes the point is also to showcase talent, launch careers and cultivate fan bases. I literally said that in my post. I also said that its clear RCA have stopped investing in her after disappointing returns they're not longer trying to spend money to do anything of the things mentioned.

Well. I think it's more of Normani not willing to self-promote. Even if she did perform lord knows she wouldn't even feel the need to post it one her actual page and relegate it to her story. I'm sensing either a split from RCA or of course a plan to put their energy towards next year. 

[justifymythreads]

Also this rumor account posted something about Man collabbing with a Kpop Artist. 

 

 

I personally think these accounts do these unsolicited rumors as a way to engagement farm. They know the nation are desperate for any type of music from her so they strategically place these rumors after their seems to be a resurgence of interest in her. 

[Flare]

I actually agree Normani should have been booked for Coachella. Her team is dropping the ball. The album is out and she's a bigger name than 90% of the people on the poster this year which is CRAZY. I remember when Coachella would have a lot of recognizable names even underground ones. It's straight random khias this time. 

Anyways, we can take this 1 of 3 ways:

 

1. She will be on tour so Coachella didn't make sense logistically.

 

2. She will be booked for other festivals so Coachella wasn't important.

 

3. She's being poorly managed and next year will also be unbooked. 

Edited November 23 by Flare

[HenryHope]

17 hours ago, justifymythreads said:

Also this rumor account posted something about Man collabbing with a Kpop Artist. 

 

 

I personally think these accounts do these unsolicited rumors as a way to engagement farm. They know the nation are desperate for any type of music from her so they strategically place these rumors after their seems to be a resurgence of interest in her. 

If rumor is true, most likely it's Lisa, right?  Since Lisa is under RCA too.  But I am not sure if it matters if they are on same label or not.

[lovely88]

Coachella is not what it used to be, they are desperate to book talent nowadays. I'm not sure what the reason is for her no showing up there other than label issues again. 

[Cbreezy]

On 11/21/2024 at 11:45 AM, Binxstan said:

Why would anyone in their right mind think she'd be performing at a major festival like Coachella? 

 

Firstly It costs artists money to perform at festivals, and unless you're a major star your costs can be more than the fee your paid, which doesn't matter as a good performances can be an investment, to help build your brand and gain new fans, go viral on TT...but it's obviously clear to anyone with half a brain cell that after 6 years and one album that peaked at #91 RCA have stopped investing in Normani. 

 

Secondly why would Cochella want to book her? Like give me one reason? Because after 6 years, no visuals and near radio silence on socials she's managed to kill all of her hype. Her album sold 2,000 pure copies so If only 2000 people are willing to pay $15 for an album, I can't image that adding her to the line-up would increase ticket sales at all. 

 

It's such a shame because she could've been the biggest star to come from 5H, but apart from her parents health troubles there's obviously got to be more going on behind the scenes or she simply doesn't want it as much as some of you want it for her.

 

Facts. Have no idea why you're being downvoted beyond it being a hard pill to swallow for some. 

 

Echoing your point, there literally is no conceivable reason why Coachella would book her... under her current circumstances. Beyond the commercial failure of the album/era, she doesn't have the one thing that trumps charts these days: buzz. It's painfully quiet and, sad as that is, it's to be expected. 

 

Now, if there was anything to be hurt about, it's the Grammys. As it "presents" as being a meritocracy. So in theory a body of work (if submitted) should be able to net nominations based on its quality alone and without the outside noise of sales, etc. IMO, there's no reason Mani shouldn't have nabbed an R&B nod. Even if just for a song, given some of the wackness that got nominated 

 

Ultimately, it is crystal clear there are label issues. Big, big ones. My gut tells me her situation has been royally screwed from the root. 

 

My gut tells me the bizarre nothingness of the era may be to do with depleted budget. Total conjecture, but I can see a scenario where an ill-advised Mani (under Brandon, Keep Cool) etc blew her budget on recording and come release...there is literally NOTHING LEFT and the label aren't budging (on adding more) as there is no feasible likelihood of recouping. The way the album came out was almost like a contractual obligation on both sides. The barest minimal "label services" were rendered in terms of technically servicing it to the DSPs etc. Beyond that...zilch. Ish like Terrell or even the magazines literally live in the remit of what an independent PR could do or even friend favors or management. 

 

It's the main reason I literally get infuriated when people (especially stans who are aware of narratives ranging from TLC to JoJo to Tinashe) call her lazy as if the likelihood of label drama isn't a thing. Normani's name, brand, and potential are the ones taking a battering, so logic would imply that she would do something if she could.

 

Equally, though, where I will continue to take issue with HER, is the same point about JoJo, Left Eye, Tinashe. No artist in 2024 should live in a blissful state of unawareness or ignorance about the harsh realities of the music business. Hearing Mani semi-gush about the Wild Side video costing nearly a million dollars ("my label gritted teeth at having to spend more Cardi came onboard hehe") is wild to me. This is business and not fantasy land. I'd sooner have her secure a million dollars from the label for THREE videos and a properly fleshed-out era than blowing all available $$$ on one lush visual and having nothing left for payola, promotion, performances, or more etc. It's objectively...dense. And giving a case of living in la la land. Whether that was her call, Brandon, or whoever it was dumb. 

 

I feel for her our girl and she definitely has been dealt the harshest set of odds and hurdles. I'm just not gullible enough to believe she has no fault in it all. It's just hard juggling that with also defending her when people lash without context. Again, the lazy thing reaaaaally gets on my nerves.

 

My hope is that they are recalibrating. At this point, I really do not see the point in trying to reheat this album. The ship has sailed and, in keeping it 100, I never got the sense she was totally satisfied with it anyway (see: many of her remarks about specific songs when it dropped). Maybe she should drop the videos as an era closer and launch her literal next project (EP, album, whatever) back-to-back with its own set of visuals etc. 

 

New year, new budget, new perspective.

[AFullMoonlight]

Have y'all seen the roster? There's no conceivable reason why Normani would be there? 

 

Also, the Grammys was always going to be a long shot. I don't know why anyone was expecting one nomination because the R&B committee is out of touch. I mean, they keep nominating Chris Brown's redundant stuff. I also think they submitted the wrong tracks in the wrong areas. The overall nominations were just sad.
 

Like Flare said, she's either touring during that time, has other stuff lined up, or is going for yet another year of disappointments. My money is currently on three.

 

 

[40_L3VE]

There is no reason why Normani shouldn't be able to book a slot at Coachella. It's hundreds of acts across 3 days. A lil 20-30 minute set on one of the side stages, at 3pm on Friday would have been absolutely feasible.

[Hey200200]

I wonder what this Visa US sponsored ad is for do they or have they sponsored music videos or tours before in the past ?

[Topaz]

On 11/21/2024 at 6:07 AM, AFullMoonlight said:

Of course nobody is expecting for her to headline, but she could absolutely book Coachella. There's people who have never charted on that lineup. Acting like the point of festivals isn't to showcase a variety of talent for what? 
 

Honestly, I'm taking this as an early sign of the same BS happening next year. Unless she's planning to be on tour that weekend what is the excuse? Do they not see the value in festivals? Is she throwing all the money she does have into music videos that she seems to have no clue when they'll drop? 

Ally was even booked at Coachella and UKG Ultra Festival or whatever in 2020 before covid hit and she didnt have a hit like Motivation. Normani with the hits she has under her belt coulda rightfully done it.

[Binxstan]

I'm being downvoted for being honest but it's whatever.

 

You keep mentioning all of these people booking festivals who apparently have less chart success than Normani. Ok let me reiterate what I said as clear as I can possibly say it.

 

To book Coachella/a big festival you don't need to be hitting #1 on billboard but you need SOMETHING, that something is usually hype or a growing interesting in your brand. Yes Ally booked Coachella etc in 2020 but you have to remember this was only 2 years after 5H splitting and not long after her debut single. Coming out of a big girl group you might think she would see some chart success. She would 100% not be able book it today. The same for Normani. Most people (myself included) expected her solo career to take off, however over the years interest has actually decreased. This is why she's struggling to book big festivals.

 

 

 

 

[Cbreezy]

17 minutes ago, Binxstan said:

I'm being downvoted for being honest but it's whatever.

 

You keep mentioning all of these people booking festivals who apparently have less chart success than Normani. Ok let me reiterate what I said as clear as I can possibly say it.

 

To book Coachella/a big festival you don't need to be hitting #1 on billboard but you need SOMETHING, that something is usually hype or a growing interesting in your brand. Yes Ally booked Coachella etc in 2020 but you have to remember this was only 2 years after 5H splitting and not long after her debut single. Coming out of a big girl group you might think she would see some chart success. She would 100% not be able book it today. The same for Normani. Most people (myself included) expected her solo career to take off, however over the years interest has actually decreased. This is why she's struggling to book big festivals.

 

 

 

 

THANK YOU!

 

I'm reading all these "should have been booked for Coachella" hot takes and it's making my jaw drop. And I'm a Mani fan. 

 

I'm always flabbergasted when stans, who typically know more about how the industry works than the average joe, get into this loop of hope/delusion that it blocks them from truly seeing the dire reality of the matter. 

 

Like @Binxstan smartly points out, "buzz" and social media traction is actually way more commodifiable in today's industry than sales. 

 

Mani did 12k first week (which still shocks me, as even standard flop releases do double that) and she has basically been invisible since. She's one of the most talented names on the scene, no doubt, but there is no tangible data available to suggest she "deserves" the slot. 

 

TBH, anyone peddling that idea that she has somehow been wronged is just not knowing of how business really works. You always have to prove you bring a certain value/premium to have your services solicited repeatedly. It's a constant wheel that has to keep turning. She won't be booked because she "slayed the VMAs a few years ago" or because we "want" her to. Like, let's be serious, people. 

 

IMO, we shouldn't be jumping the gun to Coachella. Let's get videos out, let's get her on the promo circuit, let's get performances going that festival bookers can see so as to book her. Let's do the bare minimum first...and then moan if she still isn't getting her due. 

[popularmoonlight]

I think VISA has supported tours before. 

[AFullMoonlight]

7 hours ago, Topaz said:

Ally was even booked at Coachella and UKG Ultra Festival or whatever in 2020 before covid hit and she didnt have a hit like Motivation. Normani with the hits she has under her belt coulda rightfully done it.

People are being so unserious right now.

[nooniebao]

9 hours ago, popularmoonlight said:

I think VISA has supported tours before. 

Yes, they have. Lowkey feels like a tour soft launch this month.

Edited November 26 by nooniebao

[popularmoonlight]

It could be a blessing to save those videos (and a possible deluxe) to be launched with the tour announcement. She's gonna need the visibility to sell those tickets. 

[Flare]

On 11/27/2024 at 5:53 AM, popularmoonlight said:

It could be a blessing to save those videos (and a possible deluxe) to be launched with the tour announcement. She's gonna need the visibility to sell those tickets. 

Why her team kinda ate this? Multiple videos, interviews, tour announcement, brand deals. We back 2025!!! 

[nooniebao]

 

[remming]

I wasn't expecting anything from her until next year so i'm excited 

[Flare]

59 minutes ago, nooniebao said:

 

Thank god. Some new content going into 2025 is a good idea. Then if this song catches on a bit, Normani can actually build on it with that tour, a whole album of material to perform, etc. Like her career can finally hit a more stable point (think Doja before Say So, Victoria before On my mama). Album 2 shortly after getting more stable/consistent would eat. 

Edited Sunday at 07:32 PM by Flare