NormaniQueen Posted July 5 Posted July 5 @WheresJay @wildsidenormani @troubledparadise WE NEED Y'ALL, IT'S ROUGH OUT HERE! 😔 1
Cbreezy Posted July 5 Posted July 5 (edited) 37 minutes ago, popularmoonlight said: But she has always been like this. This is how she always approached everything related to promo in her career. It just seems that's how she rather move. I theorize that's connected to how overworked she was during 5H days. Love our girl, but I hope it's not this. Because it's not a sufficient excuse. It's actually p*ss poor, IMO. Working with that analogy for a sec, if 5H was "overworked," what were Destiny's Child? I have zero tolerance for this new era of girls who don't want to do the work but want to magically achieve the highs of their idols like a Bey, Janet, and MJ. Hell, even Rihanna who isn't as talented, showed up and put in the hours. You simply cannot cheat the process and can't bypass the sacrifice that goes into it. Ultimately, it's an "I'll sleep when successful" reality. It's almost insulting for any of these girls to have such a relaxed mindset given how many people are DREAMING to be in their position of even having any kind of record deal. It's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity and ought to be treated as such. Not just talking about Mani but all of the gworls. And while I'm just one person, the fact is that any act of a certain level of success/respect had to earn it via this route. It's par for the course. Edited July 5 by Cbreezy 1
Flare Posted July 5 Posted July 5 (edited) 26 minutes ago, NormaniQueen said: @WheresJay @wildsidenormani @troubledparadise WE NEED Y'ALL, IT'S ROUGH OUT HERE! 😔 Imma hold your hand when I say this…they gone. We on our own again. Edited July 5 by Flare 10
Reginald Posted July 5 Posted July 5 7 minutes ago, Flare said: Imma hold your hand when I say this…they gone. 1
Givemeyourcoat Posted July 5 Posted July 5 1 hour ago, Flare said: Please clock it. Normani is making music that predominantly appeals to BLACK audience but she does near 0 BLACK media. Everything you listed, she should do at some point in the era but she won't. Then you wonder why the album fell right off the charts. She tried pushing a r&b album to a pop audience but also hates pop music (so why even go to those outlets when it does nothing for you and you hate doing interviews anyways lol)? Everything in her promo, branding, etc. contradicts badly and that's why the album couldn't even muster enough streams to stay on the Billboard 200 one more week. We need to stop sugar coating and making excuses for her/the team. This era is a mess from top to bottom and disrespectful to the fans who waited years. Then it's still all this mystery in 2024. Fans should never have to speculate so hard about if we're getting a *music video* or not from the album when it's already filmed. Not to mention, we already played this game with Fair and its video (which got scrapped). They need to tighten up at Normani HQ. I've seen first hand Doja, Coco, Victoria, Chloe, Latto, and more have VERY low budget rollouts but they still keep pushing, communicating, and being visible. Her new team is making S10 look VASTLY better (which is insane). Like her team doesn't see the contradictions ? This is literally their job. New team, same mess.
popularmoonlight Posted July 5 Posted July 5 I'm wondering how bad her injuree is. How long is she supposed to not dance? 1
Givemeyourcoat Posted July 5 Posted July 5 (edited) RCA wanted her to do pop, she fought to make the sound she wanted to which is good for her but at least show some interest ? Pick the right team that will help you promote your work to the right places ? She doesn't make much money for her label and stans are gonna act surprised when they won't invest, like what? She ignores her album (her reposting people dancing with her music makes me so mad, like be innovative !) and when she do talk about it she says she don't like 1/4 of her album, like what ?? I think stans don't want her to cater to black media cause they tend to be more harsh and critical than pop media and it can scare Normani. You have Still / All yours / Insomnia and Take my time in your album, you have hits potential. Ironically she drags Take my time to a pop media when it's the only song that appeals to that audience. Edited July 5 by Givemeyourcoat 3 2
40_L3VE Posted July 5 Posted July 5 If I'm fighting my team to put out the type of music I want to make, I'm going to promote the hell out of that project to prove that I was right with the direction of the project. As it stands, the album flopped spectacularly, which puts Normani at a huge disadvantage in regards to a second album. Even with the budget seemingly being nonexistent, there's still a lot you can do with just an iphone and some wifi. 2 1
Givemeyourcoat Posted July 5 Posted July 5 6 minutes ago, 40_L3VE said: If I'm fighting my team to put out the type of music I want to make, I'm going to promote the hell out of that project to prove that I was right with the direction of the project. As it stands, the album flopped spectacularly, which puts Normani at a huge disadvantage in regards to a second album. Even with the budget seemingly being nonexistent, there's still a lot you can do with just an iphone and some wifi. But some of stans think it's okay for her to be silence and that we are nasty people to ask her that. Forreal I hope she sees our complains and changes her tactic. 1
2ne1k Posted July 5 Posted July 5 there's something to be said about Normani wanting to be genreless, or being genreless...not applying to how Normani moves
Cbreezy Posted July 5 Posted July 5 (edited) 13 hours ago, Givemeyourcoat said: RCA wanted her to do pop, she fought to make the sound she wanted to which is good for her but at least show some interest ? Pick the right team that will help you promote your work to the right places ? She doesn't make much money for her label and stans are gonna act surprised when they won't invest, like what? She ignores her album (her reposting people dancing with her music makes me so mad, like be innovative !) and when she do talk about it she says she don't like 1/4 of her album, like what ?? I think stans don't want her to cater to black media cause they tend to be more harsh and critical than pop media and it can scare Normani. You have Still / All yours / Insomnia and Take my time in your album, you have hits potential. Ironically she drags Take my time to a pop media when it's the only song that appeals to that audience. Amen! 12 hours ago, Givemeyourcoat said: But some of stans think it's okay for her to be silence and that we are nasty people to ask her that. Forreal I hope she sees our complains and changes her tactic. MTE! Where I struggle with a lot of stans - particularly on forums like this, where by and large know we "more" about the industry than most - is that they put aside all of that knowledge in the name of defending their fave's shenanigans. So much "x can do what they want" and "x should do the promo they want". CHILE... It all translates to "X is about to get themselves dropped like a hot potato" Imma sound like a broken record, but it can't be said enough: the music business is a BUSINESS! And, like all businesses, the name of the game is a return on investment. If a label ponies up $1 million for an album, trust and believe the BARE minimum they will want back (across streams, sales, touring, and her other ventures) is $1 million to break even. To warrant even that same spend for album #2, they will want significant profits from album #1. It's anyone's guess what the actual issues are label-side, but with this information front of mind, in her position I'd be doing any and everything to push the album. Even if it's less a sales play and more to create the right smoke of hype around her brand as THAT is leverage / spendable currency too. Edited July 6 by Cbreezy 1 1
butterflymimi Posted July 5 Posted July 5 I'll be here perched and supporting no matter what of course but I do let out a big sigh when I think how I excited I was to be getting an N1 era finally, only for it to be treated like a random ass mixtape. like we really got no content besides some interviews hating on half the album I don't feel in my loins that the video is coming anytime soon, maybe not even this month so I'll be ready to receive whenever she is ready. I'll be streaming in the meantime 1
Givemeyourcoat Posted July 5 Posted July 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cbreezy said: Amen! MTE! Where I struggle with a lot of stans - particularly on forums like this, where by and large know we "more" about the industry than most - is that they put aside all of that knowledge in the name of defending their fave's shenanigans. So much "x can do what they want" and "x should do the promo they want". CHILE... It all translates to "X is about to get themselves dropped like a hot potato" Imma sound like a broken record, but it can't be said enough: the music business is a BUSINESS! And, like all businesses, the name of the game is a return on investment. If a label ponies up $1 million for an album, trust and believe the BARE minimum they will want back (across streams, sales, touring, and her other ventures) is $1 million to break even. To warrant even that same spend for album #2, they will want significant profits from album #1. It's anyone's guess what the actual issues are label-side, but with this information front of mind, in her position I'd be doing and any and everything to push the album. Even if it's less a sales play and more to create the right smoke of hype around her brand as THAT is leverage / spendable currency too. 👑 It doesn't make sense to fight then act like you don't care. I'm glad she did because i like her dark sound, this is very pleasing to hear. And yeah fight for it DAMN. All yours can thrive, and end up being a hit, those type of song you love but get tired of it because of the « umm ah ummm ah » and it's a good thing because it can be distinctive/ signature song. All it takes is using your ******* phone and create a trend. Side note but I saw a fan talking about camila flopping, yeah she is but every era she has a least 1 hit single. I won't be surprised if she ends up having one this era while Normani does not just because she shows more hunger. Edited July 5 by Givemeyourcoat 1
Hellmouth Posted July 5 Posted July 5 3 hours ago, Cbreezy said: Love our girl, but I hope it's not this. Because it's not a sufficient excuse. It's actually p*ss poor, IMO. Working with that analogy for a sec, if 5H was "overworked," what were Destiny's Child? I have zero tolerance for this new era of girls who don't want to do the work but want to magically achieve the highs of their idols like a Bey, Janet, and MJ. Hell, even Rihanna who isn't as talented, showed up and put in the hours. You simply cannot cheat the process and can't bypass the sacrifice that goes into it. Ultimately, it's an "I'll sleep when successful" reality. It's almost insulting for any of these girls to have such a relaxed mindset given how many people are DREAMING to be in their position of even having any kind of record deal. It's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity and ought to be treated as such. Not just talking about Mani but all of the gworls. And while I'm just one person, the fact is that any act of a certain level of success/respect had to earn it via this route. It's par for the course. "I don't take any of this for granted." She said. "You only get to release your first album once." She said. "I want a body of work that I can stand behind." She said. "🚀🚀🚀" They said. 1 4
Givemeyourcoat Posted July 5 Posted July 5 Even tho I'm mad at her, 'lights on and take my time are my sh*t right now 😭 2
nocturnalbabe Posted July 5 Posted July 5 3 hours ago, 40_L3VE said: If I'm fighting my team to put out the type of music I want to make, I'm going to promote the hell out of that project to prove that I was right with the direction of the project. As it stands, the album flopped spectacularly, which puts Normani at a huge disadvantage in regards to a second album. Even with the budget seemingly being nonexistent, there's still a lot you can do with just an iphone and some wifi. Mayve she's tryna get dropped. Idk 🤷🏾♀️
nocturnalbabe Posted July 5 Posted July 5 23 minutes ago, Givemeyourcoat said: Even tho I'm mad at her, 'lights on and take my time are my sh*t right now 😭 I've been listening to Lights On nonstop since the release.
nooniebao Posted July 5 Posted July 5 28 minutes ago, nocturnalbabe said: Mayve she's tryna get dropped. Idk 🤷🏾♀️ That would be disadvantageous in a multitude of ways though. 1
Riaas Posted July 6 Posted July 6 Do artists have to pay a large some of money to go on tour or get booked for festivals ? Cause I usually see independent and smaller artists with less budget than her promote their projects this way instead of trying to get booked for awards shows and talking shows. And I agree about her not catering to a rnb audience, her public is not watching jimmy fallon, the vmas or Zach Sang. Instead her team should've sent her on the Jennifer Hudson show, the soul train award, the Tiny Desk and the Essence festival. 1
40_L3VE Posted July 6 Posted July 6 2 hours ago, nocturnalbabe said: Mayve she's tryna get dropped. Idk 🤷🏾♀️ I doubt it. That would be a really stupid plan. I'm sure the label wouldn't let her go without getting a return on their investment, meaning whatever advance they paid her at signing. For them, it would be easier to keep her on the shelf. Depending on what kind of deal she has, they might get a piece of her brand deals & acting money. Also, word gets around. If she was purposely "sabotaging" her own album to get dropped, other executives would hear about that, which in turn makes it very difficult to get another deal. ----------- This whole situation has been incredibly frustrating to watch.
Exzime. Posted July 6 Posted July 6 https://trademarks.justia.com/985/33/n-98533181.html The merch is not coming yet because this trademark has not yet been approved They only filed it a month ago, she announced her album in February btw 1
Flare Posted July 6 Posted July 6 (edited) 4 hours ago, nocturnalbabe said: Mayve she's tryna get dropped. Idk 🤷🏾♀️ I'm a firm believer of the "Normani is trying to get dropped" theory. I think she believes another label will take her and actually let her run a whole era OR she wants to be dropped to go independent in the way Tinashe and Kehlani are. Labels definitely tell artists to praise their albums upon release. The fact she openly bashed songs is a good sign she don't care anymore about being signed. Normani is way too media trained to not know that. Edited July 6 by Flare
TizTiz Posted July 6 Posted July 6 7 hours ago, Givemeyourcoat said: RCA wanted her to do pop, she fought to make the sound she wanted I've said it once and it's the hill I'll die on, Normani and KeepCool should've played the game❗️ By now, she could've easily transitioned into Urban/Contemporary R&B she so longs to abandon. The girl makes incredible music, no matter the genre, but why would you waste the entirety of your budget making music you knew the label would never care about? Not only did you not give them the pop songs they were hoping for, but constantly make it a point to reverberate how much you'd go against Pop music, while catering to a Pop audience. I don't know what to say anymore, because I think we covered all the things wrong with her mindset, her team and her label. I actually don't blame RCA though- you spent six years draining your album budget on recordings, you don't believe in the direction we want to take you, but you have no clear vision of the direction you want us to believe in, you don't like the music we think would set you off, but you want the connections and opportunities that comes with the music, and after years on prolonging your debut album, without returning a sizable return, you want us to fund an album you won't even promote? I know in this thread, if you state an opinion that's not considered praise for piss poor activities, you'll be reported, stoned, accused of personal attacks and asked how could we state such things after she worked so hard for a 2 minute tribute at an award show where they don't know her, but maybe we should all consider why ppl say she doesn't want it bad enough. 3 1
TizTiz Posted July 6 Posted July 6 14 minutes ago, Flare said: I'm a firm believer of the "Normani is trying to get dropped" theory. I think she believes another label will take her and actually let her run a whole era OR she wants to be dropped to go independent in the way Tinashe and Kehlani are. Labels definitely tell artists to praise their albums upon release. The fact she openly bashed songs is a good sign she don't care anymore about being signed. Normani is way too media trained to not know that. It's possible they told her no to the idea of touring, and now she's letting it be known she doesn't care. She wouldn't last a year as an independent artist, in my eyes, which makes it hard to believe that she's constantly against what the label wants. 2
New Edition Posted July 6 Posted July 6 (edited) 15 hours ago, Cbreezy said: I respectfully disagree. Totally, in fact! The last line of your message actually highlights her issue at large: she won't easily book the BET Awards or similar if she doesn't take a brick-by-brick approach to building her cultural stock before being able to land any such performance. I love our girl and want ALL the things for her, but the fact of the matter is that she is not OWED a slot at the BET Awards or even VMAs. She is a Black artist, making Black music for a Black audience that (outside of Black stan Twitter) doesn't know her. I have a bunch of friends offline, who consume this all very passively, who couldn't tell you a thing about Mani outside of the odd song or "did her album ever come out"? Put simply, there's A LOT of brand work to do. Work that includes foundation building by meeting your core audience where they are at. BET, Essence, TBC, Hot 97, etc. And SUPPLEMENTING that with the Pop stuff. She has her ish the wrong way round atm IMO. To be more direct and, again, I love her down, but factually speaking she is flopping atm. And flopping majorly. There's no way around that fact. So, she and by proxy we (as her fans) are not really positioned to be cherry-picking what she can and can't do promo-wise. She needs to do it all! If the likes of Ciara, Chloe, Coco etc are doing sitdown interviews with TSR (30 mill followers) and Cardi doing Hollywood Unlocked, Normani is no kind of way...above that. I get it, it's not GMA or Vogue, but it's called...meeting your core audience where they are at. Mani is hella talented, so once the buzz catches that this girl is a must for any and every platform going, she'll be in stride. Maybe I'm a little...seasoned lol...but I remember the times when artists actually had to hustle and grind for a huge slot like an award show performance. And IMO, it's still the case today. A big part of Normani's problem IMO is that they are moving premium before she earns a premium. Yes, we live in the era of virality and overnight success. And yes, in theory she slays more than most of the people comfortably landing these slots. But true success in entertainment is very much still built on the age old analogy of: work hard, yield the results. American Dream etc. A big part of that is aggressive promo and performing like it's the VMAs even if it's for VEVO or her own YT channel. That and doing all the promo available. Mani won't cultivate this huge audience and become the "thing" we want her to be by waiting for big platforms that may or may not cut her some slack, because - as of now - she is not owed anything. I will say something I might get in trouble for. But I'm saying this as a Black person who's been noticing stuff as of late. Black people and especially African Americans are the ones hating on her the most. Sometimes I wonder which demo hates on her more, African Americans or Camila stans. And I honestly don't know because they both seem to have the same vitriol for her. (YT gay Twinks are definitely in second place) That's just a fact. Now as for why her own people seem to be so *ucking hard on her I have no idea. Maybe because they got in their heads that she was trying to replace Beyonce or something and they attacked. I remember as well as anyone should when people who hated Normani faked stanned Chloe (Beyonce's protege) just to try to get Normani out of here. Then they turned on Chloe for Halle when Chloe didn't deliver. Now they're bullying Halle. For the life of me, why is this the audience you want to cater to when they're leading the cyber bullying train? But Normani has made it clear, she wants to make Black music for Black people in America because this is who she is, this is where she's from. When she was in 5H she was cut from her roots. Now she wants to make music for the audience and be accepted by them. That's why she's been very vocally against pop music and very vocally talking about how this direction and sound is her true self. But there are two problems with this. 1) Again, the African American audience are almost in line with Camila fans leading the charge in bullying her for whatever reason. When you go into some of these forums or watch the youtube videos it's like damn people are gleeful at the idea of her failure. I call this crabs in a bucket mentality. 2) She wants to appeal to Black people but isn't doing any promo directed at the audience, like others have said. Maybe the audience would actually warm up to her and quit treating her like a punching bag if she did do more promo they see as catered to them. And I'll add another problem. 3) There's somewhat of a litmus test in terms of how 'Black' you are and whether or not you get accepted into these spaces as Black women. For a Black women to qualify as someone worth following you have to look and also ACT the part. I think especially for dark-skinned women, the expectation is that you'd be acting like a Sexxy Red always fighting with folks and getting on the blogs like JT. Normani is very quiet, keeps to herself, and a bit bougie, and there's nothing wrong with that, but she doesn't fit the 'type' that gets the audience talking, which is why some Black people may already not be inclined to accept her. I actually think that the smartest thing for Normani to have done was to keep a more multicultural, multi-national approach with her music and audience targeting, but that's neither here nor there. It's completely understandable that she wants to appeal to the Not Like Us/Shade Room audience but if she wants to do that she needs to do it correctly and go all in with the right media outlets. She's fumbling completely right now. Edited July 6 by New Edition 8
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