fan base Kelly Clarkson

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3 hours ago, BravoTangoWhiskey said:

Also Christmas Kelly is coming, I’ve just done a quick comparison from 01/01/23 and her Xmas discography has gone ip 15.4m on Spotify since then (about the same as mine’s total  ) lots will be residuals (eg still on people’s playlists) from early in 2023 but UTT will probably be at 100k daily streams this week and SCYHM will probably be at 35k dailies (on Spotify)

 

the most interesting thing to look out for this season is whether UTT and SCYHM continue to grow each year:

 

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UTT:

 

01/01/23 reading: 481,437,483

2022 increase: 121,193,519

Today’s reading: 488,671,873

2023 increase so far: 7,234,390

 

therefore 600m would be a “no jump/dip” target for it to reach by 01/01/24 (lots of heavy days between Xmas and epiphany), which is pretty incredible.

 

SCYHM:

 

01/01/23 reading: 68,015,018

2022 increase: 121,193,519

Today’s reading: 70,450,131

2023 increase so far: 2,435,113

 

Same applied to SCYHM would be a 110m eoy read.

 

edit: SCYHM live is the next biggest mover for 2023 at: +1,021,653
UTM: +698,104

WIR: +638,712

CIC(JY): +351,052

MFT: +336,396

CE: +191,277

 

curiously, softly and tenderly with Reba picks up a lot more off season streams compared to the rest of the Xmas songs (when considering how they all do in season). 

 

 

I feel like it's the perfect opportunity to have KC doing double duty for Saturday Night Live as a host and musical guest. The next episodes feature Pete Davidson, Ice Spice, and Bad Bunny, mostly appealing to Gen-Z and Tiktok. It would be a nice appeal to more mature demographics, the south, midwest, and suburbs having Kelly closer to Christmas. 

[Bloo]

2 hours ago, KevinKDC said:

I wonder if they’ll push UTT this year since it’s 10th year anniversary. 

They won't because Atlantic doesn't own the rights to it and RCA isn't going to push an artist they no longer have signed.

 

Atlantic probably pushed Kelly to record WCCA because they saw the numbers for UTT and wanted a Christmas record they could actually capitalize off of.

[BravoTangoWhiskey]

4 hours ago, Bloo said:

They won't because Atlantic doesn't own the rights to it and RCA isn't going to push an artist they no longer have signed.

 

Atlantic probably pushed Kelly to record WCCA because they saw the numbers for UTT and wanted a Christmas record they could actually capitalize off of.

Wait, Kelly’s no longer signed with Atlantic? Did WCCA… fulfil her 3 album deal?

[Bloo]

2 hours ago, BravoTangoWhiskey said:

Wait, Kelly’s no longer signed with Atlantic? Did WCCA… fulfil her 3 album deal?

Huh? No idea about that. I meant that Atlantic isn’t going to push UTT cause it’s not there’s and RCA isn’t going to push UTT cause Kelly isn’t signed with them. 

[xDiamondx]

15 hours ago, Tylerbv said:

I'm cautiously optimistic about a Pop Vocal Album nom. I don't think she'll win, but I do think she's towards the top for the category (although they'll probably give it to Taylor or Olivia).

You're probably right.

 

I guess I'm just hoping that she actually gets more recognition now, post-Drew debacle. I feel like Kelly deserves at least another good thing to happen after all she's been threw.

 

11 hours ago, KevinKDC said:

Looks like UTT might overthrow BOY as her biggest streaming song ever this year

 

I wonder if they’ll push UTT this year since it’s 10th year anniversary. 
 

Also what’s up with lighthouse? Was it listed under cool new music on mediabase or something? Or are those radio plays organic or is Atlantic testing the waters?

I'm not even mad about that to be honest. UTT is a bop no matter when I listen to it lol

 

1 hour ago, Bloo said:

Huh? No idea about that. I meant that Atlantic isn’t going to push UTT cause it’s not there’s and RCA isn’t going to push UTT cause Kelly isn’t signed with them. 

It's an interesting situation overall. I think it says a lot about its organic growth despite the two differing label situations on the song itself.

[KevinKDC]

12 hours ago, Bloo said:

They won't because Atlantic doesn't own the rights to it and RCA isn't going to push an artist they no longer have signed.

 

Atlantic probably pushed Kelly to record WCCA because they saw the numbers for UTT and wanted a Christmas record they could actually capitalize off of.

I get your view; but from a business point of view it’s not smart. That’s like saying Mariah shouldn’t promote her Christmas classic anymore (she has been on two different labels since the original release).

 

Kelly could easily re-record UTT and put it on an EP with her other Christmas hits so that Atlantic could get some coins from it.

 

Even if they don’t do that; a hit added to Kellys resume makes her more popular and more in demand, which will be beneficial for every single party involved.

 

Also Atlantic/Kelly already promoted UTT after they signed together.

[RealityBites]

18 hours ago, KevinKDC said:

Looks like UTT might overthrow BOY as her biggest streaming song ever this year

 

I wonder if they’ll push UTT this year since it’s 10th year anniversary. 
 

Also what’s up with lighthouse? Was it listed under cool new music on mediabase or something? Or are those radio plays organic or is Atlantic testing the waters?

They performed UTT on the new Wynonna country Christmas special and she did another song too. 

[Bloo]

3 hours ago, KevinKDC said:

I get your view; but from a business point of view it’s not smart. That’s like saying Mariah shouldn’t promote her Christmas classic anymore (she has been on two different labels since the original release).

 

Kelly could easily re-record UTT and put it on an EP with her other Christmas hits so that Atlantic could get some coins from it.

 

Even if they don’t do that; a hit added to Kellys resume makes her more popular and more in demand, which will be beneficial for every single party involved.

 

Also Atlantic/Kelly already promoted UTT after they signed together.

Mariah owns her masters to her music. All of them. Kelly has said she doesn’t and she has also said she doesn’t care to own them. 
 

Part of Kelly’s charm is that she’s extremely humble and couldn’t care less about chart success. Expecting her to suddenly become a businesswoman in the vein of Taylor Swift is just setting yourself up for disappointment. She has more money than she’ll ever spend and she has a massively successful talk show. She’s set for life. She ain’t gonna go through the hassle of trying to make UTT a massive hit for clout. If it happens naturally, it happens naturally. 

[feelslikeadream]

I went to a taping of TKCS today and omg Kelly was looking so SNATCHED

[KevinKDC]

44 minutes ago, Bloo said:

Mariah owns her masters to her music. All of them. Kelly has said she doesn’t and she has also said she doesn’t care to own them. 
 

Part of Kelly’s charm is that she’s extremely humble and couldn’t care less about chart success. Expecting her to suddenly become a businesswoman in the vein of Taylor Swift is just setting yourself up for disappointment. She has more money than she’ll ever spend and she has a massively successful talk show. She’s set for life. She ain’t gonna go through the hassle of trying to make UTT a massive hit for clout. If it happens naturally, it happens naturally. 

Not owning your masters has NOTHING to do with a new label promoting older stuff sis

 

And this strategy isn’t rocket science. Also I feel like you are discrediting her a lot as a business woman. She has made many choices and pushed for many things that became the reason why she is relevant as a music artist. If you honestly think she doesn’t care about success; you’re wrong. This is the same person that called out an establishment on twitter that is responsible for playing her music less. 

[BravoTangoWhiskey]

21 hours ago, BravoTangoWhiskey said:

Also Christmas Kelly is coming, I’ve just done a quick comparison from 01/01/23 and her Xmas discography has gone ip 15.4m on Spotify since then (about the same as mine’s total  ) lots will be residuals (eg still on people’s playlists) from early in 2023 but UTT will probably be at 100k daily streams this week and SCYHM will probably be at 35k dailies (on Spotify)

 

the most interesting thing to look out for this season is whether UTT and SCYHM continue to grow each year:

 

  Reveal hidden contents

UTT:

 

01/01/23 reading: 481,437,483

2022 increase: 121,193,519

Today’s reading: 488,671,873

2023 increase so far: 7,234,390

 

therefore 600m would be a “no jump/dip” target for it to reach by 01/01/24 (lots of heavy days between Xmas and epiphany), which is pretty incredible.

 

SCYHM:

 

01/01/23 reading: 68,015,018

2022 increase: 121,193,519

Today’s reading: 70,450,131

2023 increase so far: 2,435,113

 

Same applied to SCYHM would be a 110m eoy read.

 

edit: SCYHM live is the next biggest mover for 2023 at: +1,021,653
UTM: +698,104

WIR: +638,712

CIC(JY): +351,052

MFT: +336,396

CE: +191,277

 

curiously, softly and tenderly with Reba picks up a lot more off season streams compared to the rest of the Xmas songs (when considering how they all do in season). 

 

 

UTT 95k for Monday’s update 

 

SCYHM 29k

 

theyre coming, girlies 

[Bloo]

1 hour ago, KevinKDC said:

Not owning your masters has NOTHING to do with a new label promoting older stuff sis

 

And this strategy isn’t rocket science. Also I feel like you are discrediting her a lot as a business woman. She has made many choices and pushed for many things that became the reason why she is relevant as a music artist. If you honestly think she doesn’t care about success; you’re wrong. This is the same person that called out an establishment on twitter that is responsible for playing her music less. 

Yes it does? If she owned her masters, then she profits from the success of the song (namely the streams). Of course she can promote her brand by promoting UTT, but she has other Christmas music. Why would Atlantic push UTT when they have WCCA with an Ariana track? That’s the obvious reason they wanted her to record the album.

 

I’m not discrediting her as a businesswoman. I just am looking beyond her music career and have accepted that music isn’t the focus of her career anymore. It’s her talk show. She’s doing a phenomenal job in that industry and her celebrity is at an all time high. That’s all true because of stuff she’s done mostly outside of music. Her celebrity is at a high despite not being commercially viable for her music.

 

I do strongly disagree that she cares that much about success. She’s not gonna go through all the hoops of being on social media to promote her music and adopt brand personality to fit the era and all that other stuff that countless pop stars do to trend. Kelly would never do that.

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2 hours ago, Bloo said:

Yes it does? If she owned her masters, then she profits from the success of the song (namely the streams). Of course she can promote her brand by promoting UTT, but she has other Christmas music. Why would Atlantic push UTT when they have WCCA with an Ariana track? That’s the obvious reason they wanted her to record the album.

 

I’m not discrediting her as a businesswoman. I just am looking beyond her music career and have accepted that music isn’t the focus of her career anymore. It’s her talk show. She’s doing a phenomenal job in that industry and her celebrity is at an all time high. That’s all true because of stuff she’s done mostly outside of music. Her celebrity is at a high despite not being commercially viable for her music.

 

I do strongly disagree that she cares that much about success. She’s not gonna go through all the hoops of being on social media to promote her music and adopt brand personality to fit the era and all that other stuff that countless pop stars do to trend. Kelly would never do that.

I think there is a difference in owning the masters and getting royalties. correct me if im wrong, she gets paid the same either way as writer/singer. Owning the masters allows for control of when/how/where the song is used - as my understanding. 

 

I think from that perspective, owning the masters will give her more incentive to have the song in commercials/shows/movies. RCA probably isn't marketing the song, but they likely won't say no if it's requested to be used. So for Kelly, this is not on her list of priorities to go down this path. Once you open this box, she'll always be getting the re-record question. she already has many times just for the Taylor tweet.

[Bloo]

13 minutes ago, Ericjtsang said:

I think there is a difference in owning the masters and getting royalties. correct me if im wrong, she gets paid the same either way as writer/singer. Owning the masters allows for control of when/how/where the song is used - as my understanding. 

 

I think from that perspective, owning the masters will give her more incentive to have the song in commercials/shows/movies. RCA probably isn't marketing the song, but they likely won't say no if it's requested to be used. So for Kelly, this is not on her list of priorities to go down this path. Once you open this box, she'll always be getting the re-record question. she already has many times just for the Taylor tweet.

It depends on the contract. I’m not an expert on any of this stuff by any means and, frankly, I don’t care about the details too much to start some long winded debate over a pop artist (very ironic on ATRL, I know). But, my understanding is that owning the masters gives you the most ownership to collect revenue from any public use of the original song, that includes streaming. Kelly had a deal with RCA when she signed about royalties, but since they own the masters they’re likely getting a much bigger sum of money from streams from her old catalog. Artists have always gotten more money from things like brand deals, touring, and other ventures than committing to music. This is why Rihanna has effectively abandoned music and Kelly has found her own outlet to rake in large sums of money in a job that’s more conducive to her role as a single mother. 
 

 

Kelly’s been upfront about how she doesn’t care to own her masters. She makes music she wants to be proud of, etc. Her MOL tour did good numbers despite how short it was and how lukewarm the commercial performance of the album was. She’s reached a legacy point where she literally has no reason to worry or fret about charts. Why would Kelly care to follow how UTT is charting when she’s getting paid millions talking to people on her talk show? When she can easily land another 2 seasons of The Voice for $14 million each, why would she hyper focus on a metric that has much less ROI?

 

Kelly has found a lane she thrives in and is super successful in outside of music. She has no financial incentive to care about the charts or to prioritize them.
 

I’m not saying this to be mean or diminish Kelly in any way—quite the opposite. It’s amazing how relevant she’s stayed for more than 20 years. Compare her to some of her contemporaries and you’ll quickly realize that she’s done a fantastic job of building her name without having to bend too much to trends such that her image is compromised. Her talent will keep her around. However, the music industry is strange now (I truly don’t get how it works much anymore) and to have a successful era you have to engage with the GP in a way that Kelly just isn’t suited for. This is true for most legacy acts. So, it doesn’t make sense to me to worry too much about “the strategy” to land a hit when Kelly is focusing on other projects altogether. 

[Ericjtsang]

14 hours ago, Bloo said:

It depends on the contract. I’m not an expert on any of this stuff by any means and, frankly, I don’t care about the details too much to start some long winded debate over a pop artist (very ironic on ATRL, I know). But, my understanding is that owning the masters gives you the most ownership to collect revenue from any public use of the original song, that includes streaming. Kelly had a deal with RCA when she signed about royalties, but since they own the masters they’re likely getting a much bigger sum of money from streams from her old catalog. Artists have always gotten more money from things like brand deals, touring, and other ventures than committing to music. This is why Rihanna has effectively abandoned music and Kelly has found her own outlet to rake in large sums of money in a job that’s more conducive to her role as a single mother. 
 

 

Kelly’s been upfront about how she doesn’t care to own her masters. She makes music she wants to be proud of, etc. Her MOL tour did good numbers despite how short it was and how lukewarm the commercial performance of the album was. She’s reached a legacy point where she literally has no reason to worry or fret about charts. Why would Kelly care to follow how UTT is charting when she’s getting paid millions talking to people on her talk show? When she can easily land another 2 seasons of The Voice for $14 million each, why would she hyper focus on a metric that has much less ROI?

 

Kelly has found a lane she thrives in and is super successful in outside of music. She has no financial incentive to care about the charts or to prioritize them.
 

I’m not saying this to be mean or diminish Kelly in any way—quite the opposite. It’s amazing how relevant she’s stayed for more than 20 years. Compare her to some of her contemporaries and you’ll quickly realize that she’s done a fantastic job of building her name without having to bend too much to trends such that her image is compromised. Her talent will keep her around. However, the music industry is strange now (I truly don’t get how it works much anymore) and to have a successful era you have to engage with the GP in a way that Kelly just isn’t suited for. This is true for most legacy acts. So, it doesn’t make sense to me to worry too much about “the strategy” to land a hit when Kelly is focusing on other projects altogether. 

completely agree, she likely makes plenty of money of UTT that it's ultra low priority to re-record it based on her other ventures. IF she were to ever re-record, I would want new versions of many other songs before UTT. Also, Wayfair probably pays her more than any streaming royalties in a given year for UTT. She also gets ok streams from WCCA

[jpsketch]

22 hours ago, BravoTangoWhiskey said:

UTT 95k for Monday’s update 

 

SCYHM 29k

 

theyre coming, girlies 

Hopinp SCYHM continues to chart this year!

[BravoTangoWhiskey]

 

[publikcitizen]

On 10/10/2023 at 4:20 PM, feelslikeadream said:

I went to a taping of TKCS today and omg Kelly was looking so SNATCHED

How does the new set look compared to her old LA set?

[feelslikeadream]

2 hours ago, publikcitizen said:

How does the new set look compared to her old LA set?

It's really cute! It's fairly similar — not like a whole new aesthetic or anything. And same setup with the furniture. The band is situated differently so that Kelly is never standing in front of/to the side of them (they're situated right next to the audience now), but that's the only major change from what I remember.

[BravoTangoWhiskey]

Curious to see if we get either lighthouse or I won’t give up on nmf playlists later today given the “focus” on them. Let’s see if Atlantic pull through in taking advantage of the fact the iheart performance is streaming and the Kellyoke opener we saw her filming is coming out in a few days. I imagine she’ll perform lighthouse on tv this week too, but could be wrong 

 

Update: nothing is on nmf New Zealand so doesn’t look like they’re going to capitalise on her being on TV this week on streaming 

Edited October 12, 2023 by BravoTangoWhiskey

[livelikemusic]

10 hours ago, feelslikeadream said:

It's really cute! It's fairly similar — not like a whole new aesthetic or anything. And same setup with the furniture. The band is situated differently so that Kelly is never standing in front of/to the side of them (they're situated right next to the audience now), but that's the only major change from what I remember.

A bit disappointing but also not surprised.

[BravoTangoWhiskey]

Lighthouse up to 41 on HotAC 

still no news of an impact date?

[jpsketch]

4 hours ago, BravoTangoWhiskey said:

Curious to see if we get either lighthouse or I won’t give up on nmf playlists later today given the “focus” on them. Let’s see if Atlantic pull through in taking advantage of the fact the iheart performance is streaming and the Kellyoke opener we saw her filming is coming out in a few days. I imagine she’ll perform lighthouse on tv this week too, but could be wrong 

 

Update: nothing is on nmf New Zealand so doesn’t look like they’re going to capitalise on her being on TV this week on streaming 

I've said this a billion times, but a label can't add any song to any playlist in any position. It's not a thing and never has been. 

[BravoTangoWhiskey]

1 hour ago, jpsketch said:

I've said this a billion times, but a label can't add any song to any playlist in any position. It's not a thing and never has been. 

I didn’t say they should add to a playlist in a position I’m not *that* deluded. I was saying that they should send it to nmf as a new release which is common practice for artists and labels when they push a song - even if it’s been released as part of an album previously. 

[BravoTangoWhiskey]

Omg apparently Alanis Morrisette is doing songs and stories in week 1 of the KCS return