aaron511 Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 15 minutes ago, swissman said: lol I just hid my comment because I realized maybe we defined it differently. In Beyoncé's case though, her albums are not filler in the slightest, so even without hits I don't think she's going to become the kind of "legacy act" you've described. To me, a legend does not necessarily need to be hip to the current batch of young music listeners. They merely must have enough name recognition to understand that this is a person that is very respected and revered and even without a new hit to contextualize who they are, you understand by the way people talk about the person that this is someone of quality and importance. The fact that Beyoncé keeps peaking creatively is only cementing that. IMO she became a legend in 2013 after a career of huge hits because ST pushed her achievements over the age away from just commerce (which it had) into true musical artistry. But with Lemonade and then Homecoming, she's underlined it twice over, and with Renaissance she's taken any doubt, imo, able to both have critical acclaim and a #1 hit without so much as doing any promo. Well, she's definitely as close as it gets to becoming a real legend, closer than anyone from her peers or people that came after her. All I'm saying is that as much as I understand not chasing the spotlight and not caring about the charts - there are platforms she can use with dignity "matching her legendary status" lol. She knows the Hive is dying to see her perform the new material or hear her talk more about the creation of the album. That is the **** that creates and solidifes fanbases. She has the power to do it on her terms, without having to bend for external counterparties and as an artist she would probably enjoy that herself. Let me not about the visuals. I see no reason why she's not doing it. She's either dumb, vile or both
Shelter Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 1 minute ago, swissman said: But what do you cite for the 3-year wait then? No one else did anything remotely like that. Was she really THAT on board for Tidal, even when she saw her own husband and the company's owner take his album elsewhere a week after its release? Did she personally feel so invested in the platform that she was willing to sacrifice her most personal, intimate and important work to date to it? IMO its far more likely that she wanted sales exclusivity point blank. With, or without the platform. At the end of the day, it's all conjecture, but what we do know about Lemonade is that she did not care for the success/failure of the singles so I have a hard time thinking she would have done all she could to support them if not for pesky TIDAL. Who was buying it after the first year though? Streaming would’ve helped at that stage. Even if you’re right, it was a terrible move after the first year. TIDAL was dead. The fact that it is the only place on streaming to see the movie right now just shows she is still making terrible decisions.
Shelter Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 1 minute ago, *-ChriZ-* said: No christmas Update, no goodbye 2022 update, no new years eve Update - damn we didnt know how good we had it in 2017 Right, and we were complaining then too that we wanted more
swissman Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 Just now, aaron511 said: Well, she's definitely as close as it gets to becoming a real legend, closer than anyone from her peers or people that came after her. All I'm saying is that as much as I understand not chasing the spotlight and not caring about the charts - there are platforms she can use with dignity "matching her legendary status" lol. She knows the Hive is dying to see her perform the new material or hear her talk more about the creation of the album. That is the **** that creates and solidifes fanbases. She has the power to do it on her terms, without having to bend for external counterparties and as an artist she would probably enjoy that herself. Let me not about the visuals. I see no reason why she's not doing it. She's either dumb, vile or both I think the answer is: she's a perfectionist. and with having this reputation for perfection, means having to maintain it and any dip is scrutinized. as much as I essayed about why she might want to keep everything in her own hand now because of 4, I think she has put herself in a spot where she has to constantly do better than the AMAZING work she's done. If she's taking a long time to finish the film, it's because she wants to make sure it's great. If she's not performing throughout that process, it's likely because she's devoting time to the film, or making sure when she does perform its exactly the vision she has for it. I mean, I don't know...
Otter Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, swissman said: But what do you cite for the 3-year wait then? No one else did anything remotely like that. Was she really THAT on board for Tidal, even when she saw her own husband and the company's owner take his album elsewhere a week after its release? Did she personally feel so invested in the platform that she was willing to sacrifice her most personal, intimate and important work to date to it but would have released it to other streaming platforms easily if not for that? IMO its far more likely that she wanted sales exclusivity point blank. With, or without the platform. At the end of the day, it's all conjecture, but what we do know about Lemonade is that she did not care for the success/failure of the singles so I have a hard time thinking she would have done all she could to support them if not for pesky TIDAL. Jay actually removed his whole discography off Spotify and it only returned in 2019. Ultimately when Tidal was done, so was there exclusivity. I think that tells us enough about it acting as incentive for them to be difficult. Edited January 4, 2023 by Otter
swissman Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Shelter said: Who was buying it after the first year though? Streaming would’ve helped at that stage. Even if you’re right, it was a terrible move after the first year. TIDAL was dead. The fact that it is the only place on streaming to see the movie right now just shows she is still making terrible decisions. But it sounds like you're assuming she's after numbers. I'm arguing her sales exclusivity means the work has a certain allure to it. A cult feeling. Like a film that is hard to track down. The legend of it, the way people talk about it, the relationship the public has to it is far different than an accessible movie on Netflix you can start streaming then give up on and forget when you're bored. imo, Lemonade era from top-to-bottom showcased Beyoncé taking her brand to a new place of art meets culture and YES I agree the more people who see it the better, but we know also Beyoncé subscribes to luxury ideals, and I think she also knows the impact that having a product/work slightly inaccessible to the masses has. And even without it being on streaming, people still knew about Lemonade and regarded it as an important album of 2016...alongside albums that were on streaming immediately. I don't think she was looking at sales waiting for when people stop buying to finally release it to streaming. There has to be more of a reason. And IMO the surprise release of it to Spotify/AM three years later had a bigger impact than if it happened on the first anniversary because of the fact that for a while it had seemed rare and it had time to be regarded as such. As for TIDAL being the only place to watch it... it's on Apple Music for me, and if it's not there, you can still buy it. Edited January 4, 2023 by swissman
*-ChriZ-* Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) That intro of Summer Renaissance at the Grammys leading into BMS or Cuff It would SLAP SO HARD imagine her sitting on that Disco horse and coming down from the ceiling Edited January 4, 2023 by *-ChriZ-*
swissman Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Otter said: Jay actually removed his whole discography off Spotify and it only returned in 2019. Ultimately when Tidal was done, so was there exclusivity. I think that tells us enough about it acting as incentive for them to be difficult. True I hadn't considered that. But his music still appeared on the other streaming platforms (off Apple Music for a very short while). 4:44, for example, released in 2017 amidst this but was only a TIDAL exclusive for about a week, before it was on other streaming services. In 2019 by the time Jay-Z had put his music back up on Spotify (after about a year and a half), Lemonade was there already. Edited January 4, 2023 by swissman
swissman Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 19 minutes ago, *-ChriZ-* said: No christmas Update, no goodbye 2022 update, no new years eve Update - damn we didnt know how good we had it in 2017 she knew if she did the hive would be mad at her for not talking about the visuals
Mitsouko Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 I don't need the woman to wish me a Happy New Year jfc I need her to sing and dance without her making it feel like there's a gun to her head
swissman Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) at some point we just need to get used to it because as time goes on she does less and less for her eras, and you all have literally been complaining since 2013. Edited January 4, 2023 by swissman
swissman Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Otter said: So when are we getting SALUD on Spotify? omggggggggggg loool
*-ChriZ-* Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 10 minutes ago, swissman said: at some point we just need to get used to it because as time goes on she does less and less for her eras, and you all have literally been complaining since 2013. Where will this nonsense end tho? Retirement at the tender age of 43? At least then we'll know for good and well this hideousness is over
MrPiggyMoka Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 Yea if she doesn’t perform at the Grammys after Dubai it’s a done deal for me as a stan. I will put my stan card in the trash bin and just become a regular listener of her music and wish her the best Let’s hope she surprises us, doubt it tho lmao.
ShouldersSideways Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 No GRAMMYs performance will have 95% of the Hive lighting torches and throwing Keri Hilson CDs at her. Those left after the Great Revolution will sit in here and brag about how much money she has for the next 45 years
Space&Time Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 13 minutes ago, ShouldersSideways said: No GRAMMYs performance will have 95% of the Hive lighting torches and throwing Keri Hilson CDs at her. Those left after the Great Revolution will sit in here and brag about how much money she has for the next 45 years 20 minutes ago, MrPiggyMoka said: Yea if she doesn’t perform at the Grammys after Dubai it’s a done deal for me as a stan. I will put my stan card in the trash bin and just become a regular listener of her music and wish her the best Let’s hope she surprises us, doubt it tho lmao. Pretty much. Why would she deserve the constant loyalty and adoration, the constant talk and speculation if she gives us nothing to talk about. This time we did it because we didn’t know what we were in for but I guarantee you if the next act comes out and it’s like this, it’s gonna be crickets.
Massive_Teardrop Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 You know that she isn’t going to let the Grammys announce her performance in advance of the event too.. IF she’s performing at all
Devin Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 Her ass gonna arrive late and randomly be found in the front row when her categories are announced.
SashaDevachelli Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 If we don’t get a grammy performance I will personally make sure the bus I ride runs her over!
ShouldersSideways Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, SashaDevachelli said: If we don’t get a grammy performance I will personally make sure the bus I ride runs her over! egewkjsanfskjng
Devin Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 10 minutes ago, SashaDevachelli said: If we don’t get a grammy performance I will personally make sure the bus I ride runs her over! Not during Black History Month.
Kassi Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 57 minutes ago, *-ChriZ-* said: That intro of Summer Renaissance at the Grammys leading into BMS or Cuff It would SLAP SO HARD imagine her sitting on that Disco horse and coming down from the ceiling At this point, I’m like 95% sure she’s not even going to the Grammys, let alone performing. The only SLAP will be to our faces when we’re stuck watching BTS and Olivia Rodrigo perform! But seriously, think about it, why would she show up after losing 3 times? I know she loves the number 4, but a potential 4th upset would be so embarrassing. Omg.
Shelter Posted January 4, 2023 Posted January 4, 2023 Just now, Kassi said: At this point, I’m like 95% sure she’s not even going to the Grammys, let alone performing. The only SLAP will be to our faces when we’re stuck watching BTS and Olivia Rodrigo perform! But seriously, think about it, why would she show up after losing 3 times? I know she loves the number 4, but a potential 4th upset would be so embarrassing. Omg. She turned up for Savage, why wouldn’t she go this time.
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