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[sillycilla]

Wait… why don't you all want a tour? I thought it was understood each era would have a tour and we've been expecting it since the end of RWT. 

[alien superstore]

Just now, sillycilla said:

Wait… why don't you all want a tour? I thought it was understood each era would have a tour and we've been expecting it since the end of RWT. 

I for one would love to have a barn dance with mother

[ScorpiosGroove]

4 minutes ago, sillycilla said:

Wait… why don't you all want a tour? I thought it was understood each era would have a tour and we've been expecting it since the end of RWT. 

bc most of us want to move on from this era as soon as possible 

[Crayzik]

Why would I care about Joe Budden's opinion

 

[PrettyHurts]

5 minutes ago, sillycilla said:

Wait… why don't you all want a tour? I thought it was understood each era would have a tour and we've been expecting it since the end of RWT. 

ummmm, because many of us spent a lot of money on the last one two years ago 

[sillycilla]

If it is a doc, I don't see how that will thrill fans. They could have just dropped the trailer for it after the performance. And if it was indeed just a tour they also would have announced it already. 
 

I'm still hopeful that's it's the act III single and then tour announced after for both eras. 
 

I personally don't want a residency. 

Edited yesterday at 12:03 AM by sillycilla

[Punch]

1 hour ago, alien superstore said:

A niche british ex-pop star dropped an album that has spawned multiple months worth of memes, merchandise, inspired ad campaigns, inspired political campaigns and multiple hits. The music was very successful despite being avant garde and experimental. It rides the dance/electronic wave that Beyonce helped usher in with the success of Renaissance, and was an absolutely inescapable behemoth of a project whether you liked it or not. And all of that before the critically acclaimed follow-up remix record which featured some of the most monumental names in pop music today (Billie, Ariana, Robyn, etc). I'm not saying you had to like the album, but to claim it isn't a valid contender for AOTY is absurd, and you're being willfully ignorant if you don't see it as a Top 3 contender. It's also notable that the organic embrace of Brat marks a shift in pop music culture away from the vanilla tones of Swiftie-ism and toward songs more tetchy and authentic. Ironically for you Beyonce herself has endorsed A.G. Cook, considering she chose to work with him on All Up in Your Mind. She's also endorsed SOPHIE before - Ponyboy is featured in one of the Adidas x Ivy Park campaigns. 

 

If you liked Loop the Sample, All Up in Your Mind etc. and you haven't given Brat a proper try, I'd recommend these songs: 

- Club classics

- Girl, so confusing featuring lorde

- Sympathy is a knife

- Apple featuring the japanese house

- So I featuring a. g. cook

 

Anyway, for what it's worth I actually think the most likely winner of AOTY is a Chappell Roan sneak. She's got broad appeal across the board and has enjoyed major success both critically and commercially all year.  But I also don't think a CC win is unlikely. 

 

Regardless, as Hive it doesn't make sense for us to be insecure about the success of another artist. It's okay to acknowledge that other albums released this year pose competition to an arbitrary award Bey is also up for. Cowboy Carter is a hugely underrated spectacle of an album. Brat also being an interesting and defining project doesn't take away from that. We stan Beyonce. We're good over here.

 

Oh You ate that . You actually gave good points and well done break down . No Notes . Lemme DM you chiii

[Lose My Breath]

I have seen so many references to BRAT in real life, too. Some people I know just had a BRATSGIVING with a huge party. It was wild. Gays, straights, older people all participated.  That ERA really was everywhere.   I personally don't enjoy the album, but it is reminiscent of AUIYM

 

 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 12:46 AM by Lose My Breath

[sillycilla]

I'm just annoyed that a lot of the arguments people have for brat for aoty applied to renaissance. 

[kimberly]

18 hours ago, Anvarie said:

Has country album category been televised in recent years? Do you see them saving it for the live show since Bey is now part of the conversation to help gain views?

17 hours ago, yonsé said:

Yes it's always televised. 

* it's usually televised. it's been televised every year since 2021. last time they didn't televise it was in 2020. and in 2019, they gave it to Kacey Musgraves, when she won Country Album and AOTY, and both categories were televised.

 

so if Bey were to win Country Album on air, it's not necessarily the end of her AOTY path, like some have speculated previously.

[king_queen]

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Cowboy Carter led to a surge in interest in Western clothing, including an increase in searches for Western-style jeans (610%), bolo ties (566%), flared denim (372%), cowboy boots (224%), and cowboy hats (213%).

The same arguments used for brat can be used for CC tbh 

[Nippy'sReceipts]

20 hours ago, KingBeyonce. said:

I don't think she'll ever win it though. Multiple voters have already admitted that they typically don't vote for her because she already "wins so many awards." Which is not even true but I digress. And then there's the fact that no black woman has won it since Lauryn Hill so yeah. SZA may snatch it with her next release.

 

Plus although I love CC and it's in my top 2 Bey albums, I wouldn't want this to be the album that finally wins cause the Renny stans and OBHs would be equally annoying about it. And people would say it was a consolation prize even though that's so far from the truth. 

She can win it if she  gives Columbia what they wants with singles and promotion and stops giving them the cold shoulder. I believe Mathew was right. Labels are the ones who go to bat for AOTY campaigns, and I don't know if Beyonce is still Columbia's flagship artist or if they even know when her release days even are. It seems like them propping up newbie Adele and spitting on her face and leaking 4 permanently ruined the relationship, and I totally understand it.

 

I doubt Beyonce wants to even use label money to promote singles to radio. It seems Parkwood acts like an independent label. She probably funds her own recording studio fees, music videos, and she or Jay and Roc Nation helps her find sponsors for tours. She doesn't need Columbia but they get her back by not promoting her albums for AOTY. My understanding is Mathew Knowles was in good standing with Columbia and really did what they wanted commercially but Beyonce doesn't want to play the game.   I have to respect that 

[KingBeyonce.]

2 hours ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

bc most of us want to move on from this era as soon as possible 

But I mean honestly what's gonna be different about act 3?  she'll give us an on-the-nose lead single, it'll do good or great, the album will be critically acclaimed and will have great first week numbers but will fizzle out with her lack of promo, and then we'll be doing album rankings again waiting for something to happen. Unless you think she'll release the visuals and act 3 at the same exact time which I guess does change things.

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13 minutes ago, Nippy'sReceipts said:

She can win it if she  gives Columbia what they wants with singles and promotion and stops giving them the cold shoulder. I believe Mathew was right. Labels are the ones who go to bat for AOTY campaigns, and I don't know if Beyonce is still Columbia's flagship artist or if they even know when her release days even are. It seems like them propping up newbie Adele and spitting on her face and leaking 4 permanently ruined the relationship, and I totally understand it.

 

I doubt Beyonce wants to even use label money to promote singles to radio. It seems Parkwood acts like an independent label. She probably funds her own recording studio fees, music videos, and she or Jay and Roc Nation helps her find sponsors for tours. She doesn't need Columbia but they get her back by not promoting her albums for AOTY. My understanding is Mathew Knowles was in good standing with Columbia and really did what they wanted commercially but Beyonce doesn't want to play the game.   I have to respect that 

Yeah, I agree. For example, an album as strong & critically acclaimed as ST or Renny combined with the promotion, singles, and performances of IASF probably would have won AOTY. She hasn't played the game for pretty much a decade now. I consider 4 the last time she truly played it. Everything post-ST has been what she wanted to do. It's annoying as a fan because she has thwarted so many potential hits and potential new fans by operating the way she does but like you said, I have to respect it. Plus she's a human being at the end of the day and for all I know, maybe the way she chooses to put out and engage with her art is the best way to keep her sane and grounded   She's lucky she has talent out of this world because anybody else would've long been left behind but she has managed to stand firmly in pop culture. I feel bad for newer, younger fans though ngl  I was young af but at least I got to experience her when she was everywhere during IASF and 4.

[kimberly]

1 hour ago, king_queen said:

The same arguments used for brat can be used for CC tbh 

Cowboy Carter was not as popular or talked about as Brat, especially after April. it's ok to admit that. 

 

Brat winning would also be like a career win for Charli, in a way. Even Beyoncé booked one of her collaborators on Renaissance, Taylor also did on Evermore. Charli has been that girl and last year she finally got her flowers.

 

Bey also deserves a "career win," but it's a tougher argument when she has 32 wins already and is the most decorated person in history. These are, in comparison, Charli's first nominations EVER for her own music. (She's been nominated twice for Iggy Azalea's "Fancy" before ) There's more of an underdog narrative there.

[futuresuperstar2023]

People use Beyonce for views and attention. That man on joe budden podcast was just saying Beyonce was a top 5 performer last year on twitter and now recently said she  is not a top 5 performer. These people all know that Beyonce is talented and and one of the greatest performers. These folks troll for attention and it works and have Y'all really believing they really mean that **** about Bey. 

[king_queen]

6 minutes ago, kimberly said:

Cowboy Carter was not as popular or talked about as Brat, especially after April. it's ok to admit that. 

 

Brat winning would also be like a career win for Charli, in a way. Even Beyoncé booked one of her collaborators on Renaissance, Taylor also did on Evermore. Charli has been that girl and last year she finally got her flowers.

 

Bey also deserves a "career win," but it's a tougher argument when she has 32 wins already and is the most decorated person in history. These are, in comparison, Charli's first nominations EVER for her own music. (She's been nominated twice for Iggy Azalea's "Fancy" before ) There's more of an underdog narrative there.

I'm not saying one was more talked about than the other. I was saying the argument can be used for both.

[Shelter]

When you look at Brat album track streams, it's not even doing that good, after all that hype, you would expect the whole album to be slaying. The singles are carrying it and the tiktok trend songs. People have the nerve come for CC though when it's basically only 1 WW single. 

[sillycilla]

25 minutes ago, KingBeyonce. said:

But I mean honestly what's gonna be different about act 3?  she'll give us an on-the-nose lead single, it'll do good or great, the album will be critically acclaimed and will have great first week numbers but will fizzle out with her lack of promo, and then we'll be doing album rankings again waiting for something to happen. Unless you think she'll release the visuals and act 3 at the same exact time which I guess does change things.

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Honestly I'm not even sure if act iii will play out the same way either. There's been a lot of mixed reaction on Bey lately. Her streaming and sales have not been great. If we are going into act iii I just hope the next single is amazing. 

Edited yesterday at 02:59 AM by sillycilla

[perfectillusion204]

3 hours ago, PrettyHurts said:

ummmm, because many of us spent a lot of money on the last one two years ago 

Exactly, that was 2 years ago sis! I hope you've made at least a few hundred bucks since then to afford a new ticket 2 years later lol

[kimberly]

17 minutes ago, king_queen said:

I'm not saying one was more talked about than the other. I was saying the argument can be used for both.

I know I'm just presenting the angle CC doesn't have.

 

9 minutes ago, Shelter said:

When you look at Brat album track streams, it's not even doing that good, after all that hype, you would expect the whole album to be slaying. The singles are carrying it and the tiktok trend songs. People have the nerve come for CC though when it's basically only 1 WW single. 

you're just in denial at this point. half of the album has over 100 million streams.

 

Guess + Guess (Remix) — 450 million streams

360 (+Remix) — 318 million streams

Apple (+Remix) — 283 million streams

Von Dutch (+Remix) — 191 million streams

365 (+Remix) — 160 million streams

Girl, so confusing (+Remix) — 143 million streams

Sympathy is a knife (+Remix) — 136 million streams

Talk Talk (+Remix) — 128 million streams

Club Classics (+Remix) — 104 million streams

 

for Cowboy Carter:

 

Texas Hold Em — 593 million streams

II Most Wanted — 105 million streams. END OF LIST. 

[Nippy'sReceipts]

43 minutes ago, KingBeyonce. said:

But I mean honestly what's gonna be different about act 3?  she'll give us an on-the-nose lead single, it'll do good or great, the album will be critically acclaimed and will have great first week numbers but will fizzle out with her lack of promo, and then we'll be doing album rankings again waiting for something to happen. Unless you think she'll release the visuals and act 3 at the same exact time which I guess does change things.

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Yeah, I agree. For example, an album as strong & critically acclaimed as ST or Renny combined with the promotion, singles, and performances of IASF probably would have won AOTY. She hasn't played the game for pretty much a decade now. I consider 4 the last time she truly played it. Everything post-ST has been what she wanted to do. It's annoying as a fan because she has thwarted so many potential hits and potential new fans by operating the way she does but like you said, I have to respect it. Plus she's a human being at the end of the day and for all I know, maybe the way she chooses to put out and engage with her art is the best way to keep her sane and grounded   She's lucky she has talent out of this world because anybody else would've long been left behind but she has managed to stand firmly in pop culture. I feel bad for newer, younger fans though ngl  I was young af but at least I got to experience her when she was everywhere during IASF and 4.

The 4 era really opened her eyes and solidified her on not playing the game with pop. I think the worst was Billboard running the plagiarism/music video article after they just gave her an Icon award literally months earlier. That era was full of so much weirdness for real. I think another pop publication shaded her compared to Rihanna. I actually think RTW was her bone to throw to pop actually because it sounds more like a EDM/pop radio song than R&B radio. That whole era was weird. I also think if the editing and choreography for RTW wasnt rapid speed and was more simple to catch on like Single Ladies and it's hook, the song/video  would've gone viral and done better commercially. Imagine being shaded by Billboard, by her record label, and then the year later they give six Grammies to  a white girl copying R&B breaking her record when she was bringing balladry and R&B back. Yeah I would say f it  too. 

Edited yesterday at 03:16 AM by Nippy'sReceipts

[satellites.™]

You guys just need to feel the transition and accept it.

 

Beyonce played the rules back then and wont play them now, but it does cost.

 

CC divided people before it was even released because fans heard "country" and then the whole racism angle always makes some people run, even allies.

 

Couple that with her lack of promo and OVERLY mysterious and obnoxious level of transparency with where things are going and how can we expect AOTY?

 

She should be doing things bigger and creating her own lanes now anyway, she has the experience and resources.

 

That BRAT post above is so well said because it was grassroots from the go and basically what RENAISSANCE should've been (to a higher level than it was) had she not dropped the music and disappeared.

 

 

[KingBeyonce.]

7 minutes ago, sillycilla said:

Honestly I'm not even sure if act iii will play out the same way either. There's been a lot of mixed reaction on Bey lately. Her streaming and sales have not been great. If we are going into act iii I just hope the next single is amazing. 

I see what you mean. I think she'll do fine with act 3, at least initially. I think with CC, it's long and country and I think that greatly affected it's longevity in addition to the usual no promo problem. I have friends who are casual fans who sort of "skimmed" through the album but never returned to it because they thought TH'E was too country and it's a chore to get through an album that you're already assuming you won't like lol. 

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On another negative Nancy note I have a question for the people who don't like CC . Do you think you'll like act 3 any better? I ask because so far, all we know is that it's probably rock (and I'm assuming Betty Davis-esque funk) and an entire album of rock/funk would be new territory for her just like Cowboy Carter was with country. But it seems like everyone is almost more confident that they'll like act 3 more. Is it that you guys like rock better and just assume that it'll be better because of that? Is it because it'll be more upbeat than CC? I'm just curious. I saw a tiktok saying something about how they hope Bey has songs like Party Like a Rock Star (and I guess it's not entirely far fetched but still ) and I just have a feeling people are gonna be disappointed when they realize how far she'll probably lean into the sound kind of like they were with TH'E. I'm excited personally but just a thought. 

 

 

 

[king_queen]

8 minutes ago, kimberly said:

I know I'm just presenting the angle CC doesn't have.

 

And what angle is that?

[cuteboyzay]

48 minutes ago, futuresuperstar2023 said:

People use Beyonce for views and attention. That man on joe budden podcast was just saying Beyonce was a top 5 performer last year on twitter and now recently said she  is not a top 5 performer. These people all know that Beyonce is talented and and one of the greatest performers. These folks troll for attention and it works and have Y'all really believing they really mean that **** about Bey. 

Beyoncé isn't just "talented" tho. She's prodigious to a T.

 

There's having talent I feel and then another category where you are part of a secular group that no one else could do what YOU just did even if they HAD your talent. It's a perfect syncopation between your will, potential, physical prowess and intelligence. Similar to that of Simone Biles and Serena Williams. Like publications have said, Beyoncé is and never was just a regular artist. She's an athlete. They're incapable of fathoming a woman out pacing both men and women, obviously born to PERFORM at the highest. 
 

Like I said, I feel Beyoncé has surpassed Michael in multiple aspects. But due to misogyny these Men and even Women will NEVER be able to fathom how or why. They fear what they don't understand.

Edited yesterday at 03:34 AM by cuteboyzay