AxelFox Posted May 10 Posted May 10 The way creativity and artistry have been reduced to basic four note melodies and self written high school diary lyrics lately just because a certain someone has raised their profile over the last few years is just 2 2
Pop Fan Posted May 10 Posted May 10 11 minutes ago, Lose My Breath said: This is absolute garbage, and exactly what is wrong with music now Im all for Beyonce winning in performance categories or for music videos but Album of the year is too much especially when you realize that she doesnt even sing about herself (Becky with good hair, Ladies lets get in formation) and almost every single iconic line were written by a male songwriter. 💀 People were freaking out about the Becky line and took it as her spilling about what happened when she had nothing to do witb it 💀. I mean its really easy to understand why she's 0/5 in AOTY.
Pop Fan Posted May 10 Posted May 10 15 minutes ago, Lose My Breath said: This is absolute garbage, and exactly what is wrong with music now If you believe that this is just garbage and that I made thie up for fum then go on and predict her to win. If you want to know more about this go on and look it up but ur not gonna do that, are you? its easier to act like a ***** and blame the winners and the voters and constantly playing the race card then to try and find what is the reason behind their decision to not give her AOTY. Grammys and academy is always fighting for the creators and musicians who might not make a lot of money and are being treated unfairly so its understandable they will want to honor and celebrate the ones that have the creative spark in them and feel authentic in thw way they are writing…its nice to see people like Taylor, Billie or Olivia suceeding cuz they share that passion and have a deeper understanding of the craft and want to learn improve and grow with their music.
AxelFox Posted May 10 Posted May 10 4 minutes ago, Pop Fan said: If you believe that this is just garbage and that I made thie up for fum then go on and predict her to win. If you want to know more about this go on and look it up but ur not gonna do that, are you? its easier to act like a ***** and blame the winners and the voters and constantly playing the race card then to try and find what is the reason behind their decision to not give her AOTY. Grammys and academy is always fighting for the creators and musicians who might not make a lot of money and are being treated unfairly so its understandable they will want to honor and celebrate the ones that have the creative spark in them and feel authentic in thw way they are writing…its nice to see people like Taylor, Billie or Olivia suceeding cuz they share that passion and have a deeper understanding of the craft and want to learn improve and grow with their music. Oh shut the **** up already and stop spamming this thread ffs Beyonce's persona and output are polarising due to the nature of her art, the grammy general fields are literally won on how much cross genre voters appeal you have. That's all there is to it. As if country/rock voters were gonna pick a queer ballroom record for AOTY, even if Beyonce solo wrote and produced the entire thing by ehrself Get the **** outta here 5 1
Pinkbutterflies Posted May 10 Posted May 10 26 minutes ago, Triton said: So Beyonce just has to do an album full of 4 note basic melodies to win? That's talent, craft, skill, integrity and passion? Some tell her to release an album of the lullabies she sings her kids, maybe that's how she'll win AOTY. Beyonce was actually my first fav, but sometimes us fans are her own worst enemy. For example, why do we want her to do visual, interviews and hustle like she's a newcomer? This entirely goes against the brand she has been projecting - an untouchable goddess. If she does do the whole everything and the lot and flops, it's going to a horrible look for her branding. Also, someone of her caliber doing hustling like tyla make it look so cheap. As for aoty, clearly the grammys do not like it when song writing credits are ambiguous, and we all know for real that Beyonce, the business woman takes over and muddles the ground between integrity and success. We really need to give the sis constructive criticism instead of the delusion she doesn't do promo, which clearly her pr team does with social media engagements.
QueenBeyoncé Posted May 10 Posted May 10 (edited) Mods please thread ban these two losers @Pinkbutterflies Pop Fan Edited May 10 by QueenBeyoncé
Pop Fan Posted May 10 Posted May 10 3 minutes ago, Pop Fan said: If you believe that this is just garbage and that I made thie up for fum then go on and predict her to win. If you want to know more about this go on and look it up but ur not gonna do that, are you? its easier to act like a ***** and blame the winners and the voters and constantly playing the race card then to try and find what is the reason behind their decision to not give her AOTY. Grammys and academy is always fighting for the creators and musicians who might not make a lot of money and are being treated unfairly so its understandable they will want to honor and celebrate the ones that have the creative spark in them and feel authentic in thw way they are writing…its nice to see people like Taylor, Billie or Olivia suceeding cuz they share that passion and have a deeper understanding of the craft and want to learn improve and grow with their music. Beyonce on the other hand stands for everything that is just not what music and the process should be about. She runs the whole thing like a buisness and just oversees the whole thing. The real heros behind her albums are the countless songwriters that will sadly never get the recognition they should get instead of Beyonce. It is a comment knowledge that Beyonce is more of a corporation, there are so many people contributing and writing for her hoping she might chose what they came up with. That is messed up in my opinipn. Shes basically not even expressing her life and her feelings, she is just emoting feeling and singing what her songwriters came up with
Joaco95 Posted May 10 Posted May 10 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Pop Fan said: She runs the whole thing like a buisness and just oversees the whole thing. who told you that are you one of those writers? Edited May 10 by Joaco95
period sis Posted May 10 Posted May 10 13 minutes ago, Pop Fan said: Why do you think that they never gave her AOTY. We have been through this 3 times already (2015, 2017 and 2022). Beyonce is always a supposed frontrunner and predicted to win and gets is push by the pundits and media as the clear frontrunner and an obvious pick. Don't you think that it's kinda telling how they always find an alternative and dont buy the massive hype around her every time she releases a new album. Her PR is flawless but it's kinda overdone cuz she really wants us to believe she's this unreachable creative visionary when it couldn't be further from the truth. Voters are not stupid, they know the reality about her "artistry" and how overhyped she is by the media. It's obvious at this point that the musicians and others working in the industry don't feel the same way as Twitter and pundits. There has been many instances where we've seen subtle shade and ridicule about her having 20+ songwriters on a song, Diane Warren, who is a songwriting legend and wrote "I Was Here" was literally ridiculing her on Twitter for having 24 songwriters on one song. Do you really believe any songwriter with a little bit of self-respect would vote for Beyonce in AOTY 😂. People've been saying for years that she's not really seen in a positive light especially among songwriters and musicians and artists who are actually writing their material. I don't think country voters will be voting for Cowboy Carter, you just need to realize the truth and stop whining about her not winning and playing the race card cuz it's kinda cringe at this point, you're not gonna change the way some voters see her. Twitter and pundits are just internet bubbles that can be heavily manipulated and regulated and everybody knows Beyonce is the queen of PR and wants to present herself as some kind of a visionary that is obviously not really the truth. That's why she will be again deemed a frontrunner before the ceremony and she will probably lose against someone that has earned more respect among the voters. She is really popular with the celebs but musician see through the facade and the PR which is honestly just too much for somene who we all know is mostly just recording the demos or combining songs and things like that. She is very limited as a songwriter. Come on now, 24 songwriter on 1 song is a disgrace and an album like that should never win AOTY. That would be such a slap on the face to artists who are the creative forces behind their albums This is such an ignorant and damaging take. It's easy to say this about people like Beyonce while forgetting that there are tons of Black creatives that fit the narrative you're trying to make about creating music. Just this year SZA lost AOTY, I'm pretty positive she's writing her own music and words and comes with her own concepts and makes that known; she also had the commercial success to back it up. Still lost. H.E.R. is a multi-instrumentalist and has been nominated in the AOTY many times. Lost. Lizzo writes her music and is more with the safer and digestible sound. Lost. All of these people will always get the short end of the stick and will always be sidelined by white artists who make the most boring and "safe" music ever. To say it has nothing to do with race is racist, because if it wasn't then there shouldn't be any reason why there hasn't been a black woman to win the main award this millennium. please shut up and take your dupe @Pinkbutterflies with you 4
QueenBeyoncé Posted May 10 Posted May 10 22 minutes ago, AxelFox said: The way creativity and artistry have been reduced to basic four note melodies and self written high school diary lyrics lately just because a certain someone has raised their profile over the last few years is just And naming the 3 most basic btches 1 2 1
Cbreezy Posted May 10 Posted May 10 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pop Fan said: Yeah, Beyonce is a massive superstar and a celebrity to celebrities but the musicians aka voters just don't buy the hype and the whole "artistic genius" PR and media narrative that is being pushed each time she realeses a new album. Grammy voters still have their principles. That shows that they value the artist's integrity and passion about the craft. They can't be influenced by the outside agendas. And this is how it should be, Grammy voters are the actual musicians with years of experiences and know way more about the industry and about the artists that we do so I find it really funny when people throw tantrums cuz someone like Beyonce didn't win AOTY. So many black artists won in The GF, Stevie Wonder won 3 AOTYs in 4 or 5 years. It's obvious that they just don't feel like Beyonce is worthy of such an honor. she was pushed as the frontrunner three times already and yet they never went along with the media narrative and buzz. I think that they just don't think shes worthy to be honored to such an extent. Respectfully...nah. Hell nah, in fact. Your take ultimately doesn't hold (IMO) because it seems anchored in the fable that the Grammy committee by and large are this esteemed panel of people who vote based on meritocracy. Even if, momentarily, entertaining your take they are some kind of exclusive club that adheres to specific rules creatively (hence Bey's snubs), it does not explain away the consistent snubs of other Black artists such as Kendrick Lamar and the **very** long list of Black act who have never received their fair shake in the general field categories. You are not about to sit here and convince me any kind of way that Taylor Swift, Harry Styles, Adele, and Billie Eilish (who was literally thrown all the awards in her first era) are somehow more deserving EACH AND EVERY TIME when up against their Black peers without any kind of eyebrow raise? Please, be serious. There is a huge issue when Black artists are consistently among the leading forces of every other metric (charts, touring, etc) yet the biggest awarding body doesn't reflect that when it comes to general field. You bringing up Stevie Wonder's wins from 30/40 years ago and branding the very legit complaints about the constant snubs of Bey and other Black artists as "tantrums" pretty much tells me all I need to know. OTT perhaps, but it really is giving me an All Lives Matter tea. Because, even if not directly intended, it feels attached to the same tree of thought. To deny the obvious (that Black artists are being snubbed or treated a certain way) in the name of this "everyone has a fair shot and those pointing out the obvious are throwing tantrums" is the very same school of thought for those moaning about those pointing out very clear racial disparities in the broader world. I will never ever get people who deny the obvious. It's both scary and sad that there are people walking around like that's...normal. EDIT: The more I think about it, the @Pop Fan has to be trolling, because TF?! Edited May 10 by Cbreezy 3
AxelFox Posted May 10 Posted May 10 Tf is going on, is this that Macheato user or whatever their username was that got banned recently and is trying to hijack this thread as revenge or something? 1
ScorpiosGroove Posted May 10 Posted May 10 her insta comments are terrible chronically online tiktokers who pretend to care about a genocide by centering it around celebrities and the maga crowd who hates her cowboy cosplay and thinks she eats babies formed an alliance and damn they really want her OUT of here nnn Spoiler maybe she'll release visuals as a distraction
suneclipse121 Posted May 10 Posted May 10 (edited) 2 hours ago, Pop Fan said: Look, you have to understand that Grammy voters are not gonna give all the highest accolades to someone like Beyonce. Pundits, media and her massive PR might be pushing Beyonce as the frontrunner but at the end of the day it's the musicians who vote and they won't give AOTY to someone who isn't really "one of them". Beyonce and her aproach to making an album is a major turn off. Fot example, a vote for Billie and Taylor is a vote for all the young female musicians who are passionate about making music and are constantly writing new songs. Voting for Beyonce is just not as exciting cuz you're basically giving her the ultimate honor for something that would never exist without a massive army of seasoned musicians making the majority of the album. For example Fearless is a what it is cuz of Taylor and her talent and skills. You can't say that for Beyonce and her music. Yeah, Beyonce is a massive superstar and a celebrity to celebrities but the musicians aka voters just don't buy the hype and the whole "artistic genius" PR and media narrative that is being pushed each time she realeses a new album. Grammy voters still have their principles. That shows that they value the artist's integrity and passion about the craft. They can't be influenced by the outside agendas. And this is how it should be, Grammy voters are the actual musicians with years of experiences and know way more about the industry and about the artists that we do so I find it really funny when people throw tantrums cuz someone like Beyonce didn't win AOTY. So many black artists won in The GF, Stevie Wonder won 3 AOTYs in 4 or 5 years. It's obvious that they just don't feel like Beyonce is worthy of such an honor. she was pushed as the frontrunner three times already and yet they never went along with the media narrative and buzz. I think that they just don't think shes worthy to be honored to such an extent This narrative is so ******* tired I'm sorry but it is. A never ending supply of people who have directly worked with Beyoncé have spoken on her craft on all fronts of creating music. Songwriting, production, vocals like it's all out there. And listening to the music itself you can clearly hear her involvement. No one can elevate a song like Beyonce can. She's taken bare bone demos and made them into something listenable. But she's not artistic enough, she not involved enough, too many credits on a song. Please. These are just excuses to discredit her artistry and it stings more because she's a black woman being discredited for her talent and work. And yes that matters!!. There's people right now with 2 or 3 writers on songs and their music is hot garbage!!! I won't say any names but you can look no further than someone's recent album that got torn apart by critics and her fans. Im exhausted by hearing the same **** over and over again when it's blatantly not true. If anyone wants to believe that Beyoncé is not involved in every facet of creating her music then those people are just ignorant fucks. The end. Edited May 10 by suneclipse121 1
Noodles Posted May 10 Posted May 10 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pop Fan said: Why do you think that they never gave her AOTY. We have been through this 3 times already (2015, 2017 and 2022). Beyonce is always a supposed frontrunner and predicted to win and gets is push by the pundits and media as the clear frontrunner and an obvious pick. Don't you think that it's kinda telling how they always find an alternative and dont buy the massive hype around her every time she releases a new album. Her PR is flawless but it's kinda overdone cuz she really wants us to believe she's this unreachable creative visionary when it couldn't be further from the truth. Voters are not stupid, they know the reality about her "artistry" and how overhyped she is by the media. It's obvious at this point that the musicians and others working in the industry don't feel the same way as Twitter and pundits. There has been many instances where we've seen subtle shade and ridicule about her having 20+ songwriters on a song, Diane Warren, who is a songwriting legend and wrote "I Was Here" was literally ridiculing her on Twitter for having 24 songwriters on one song. Do you really believe any songwriter with a little bit of self-respect would vote for Beyonce in AOTY 😂. People've been saying for years that she's not really seen in a positive light especially among songwriters and musicians and artists who are actually writing their material. I don't think country voters will be voting for Cowboy Carter, you just need to realize the truth and stop whining about her not winning and playing the race card cuz it's kinda cringe at this point, you're not gonna change the way some voters see her. Twitter and pundits are just internet bubbles that can be heavily manipulated and regulated and everybody knows Beyonce is the queen of PR and wants to present herself as some kind of a visionary that is obviously not really the truth. That's why she will be again deemed a frontrunner before the ceremony and she will probably lose against someone that has earned more respect among the voters. She is really popular with the celebs but musician see through the facade and the PR which is honestly just too much for somene who we all know is mostly just recording the demos or combining songs and things like that. She is very limited as a songwriter. Come on now, 24 songwriter on 1 song is a disgrace and an album like that should never win AOTY. That would be such a slap on the face to artists who are the creative forces behind their albums Shouldn't AOTY be about the quality of the album? And literally NOTHING else? Because EVIDENTLY right now there are girls out there putting out self-written entire albums that sounds like absolutely hot ass. Would it be fair for them to get the extra points if the outcome is nothing on the AOTY caliber? But that's not even really what's happening though now is it. Because like others pointed out, the goal post will be moved when it comes to Black musicians, especially Black women. All this talk out of your ass as if you understand the culture and the game soooo much and yet nothing about that. Why is that miss Pop Fan? Edited May 10 by Noodles 3
Lose My Breath Posted May 10 Posted May 10 (edited) why are there SOOOO many fake articles about beyonce all over my socials? Like I see 3-4 articles daily about how she tried renting the grand ole opry and they said no, as well as various country singers talking about how awful she is… Jay z paying 20 million for country radio play, how all she does is play "dress up"… There are SOOO many It's wild. Someone is definitely paying for that Edited May 10 by Lose My Breath 1
Pop Fan Posted May 10 Posted May 10 Idk why ur pressed. Im respectful and just stating the obvious truth that there is a difference between how she's percieved and admited by pundits, Twitter and online forums and how she's percieved by the musicians and music proffesionals. And Grammys are voted on by musicians and peers so it's very clear that they just don't respect her enough to give her their highest accolade. I know you don't want to hear this but she's just not respected as a musician because of the way she doea her albums. No songwriter that respects the craft of songwriting is voting for Beyonce, come on it's just not happening. Billie Eilish and Taylor Swift won AOTY when they were 17 and 19. Taylor has managed to win 4 AOTY Grammys because she is respected and admired as a musician, especially as a songwriter. Grammy voters are definetly considering the creative input and the artistic integrity when they vote for AOTY. It's just a much better feeling to vote for someone who is writing their own material that is authentic and honest. Beyonce is a punching bag when it comes to the amount of songwriters she needs for one song and she's kinda the face of this new trend of artists demanding a writing credit even if they added one word. And let's be honest, her albums would never exist without her team and her 100+ somgwriters That is why she cam't win against Billie, Adele or Taylor and I respect the Grammy voters to not cave in to the pressure and showing that they really admire artists who are writing their own music. the artistic input and credibilty are definetly a thung to consuder when they vote cuz that is what the Grammys are really about, it's hard root for someone who isn't involved in the creative process, giving Beyonce AOTY would be honestly insulting to everyone who actually writes their songs and is passionate about it. And it would be really just not a good look, AOTY was always something more than just any Grammy, it's a confirmation from your peers that they really appreciate your work and want to celebrate your work and artistry. Beyonce does not really care or advocates for the music creators and her album making process is not what the Academy stands for. Idk why is Beyhive so triggered by the fact that Beyonce just isn't a songwriter and isn't what we would call a real musician who is passionate about the craft. That is the real reason she never wins the coveted AOTY. 3
Pop Fan Posted May 10 Posted May 10 1 hour ago, Joaco95 said: who told you that are you one of those writers? it is a known fact, check the intervies by people who were writing for her
Pop Fan Posted May 10 Posted May 10 1 hour ago, period sis said: This is such an ignorant and damaging take. It's easy to say this about people like Beyonce while forgetting that there are tons of Black creatives that fit the narrative you're trying to make about creating music. Just this year SZA lost AOTY, I'm pretty positive she's writing her own music and words and comes with her own concepts and makes that known; she also had the commercial success to back it up. Still lost. H.E.R. is a multi-instrumentalist and has been nominated in the AOTY many times. Lost. Lizzo writes her music and is more with the safer and digestible sound. Lost. All of these people will always get the short end of the stick and will always be sidelined by white artists who make the most boring and "safe" music ever. To say it has nothing to do with race is racist, because if it wasn't then there shouldn't be any reason why there hasn't been a black woman to win the main award this millennium. please shut up and take your dupe @Pinkbutterflies with you I knew you're gonna attack me and say im ignorant and that im ignoring the racism but just to be clear I agree that black artist are sometimes left behind (not really because of their race but because of the genre bias). I believe SZA and Kendrick deserved to win at least one GF Grammy (HER and Lizzo have each one GF win) but Beyonce is not a victim of racism and didn't lose 5 times cause she's black please stop, she is a gorgeous lightskinned woman married to a music titan with the best and the most effective PR strategy we have ever seen. She is so powerful and reapected as a public figure and one hell of an entertainer. She is obviously talented but she's not capable to do anything on her own and that's why her albums aren't really about her feeling, emotions and struggles and life experiences and that IS important when they decide who deserves to be championed and praised for their contirbution to the music industry.
Pop Fan Posted May 10 Posted May 10 1 hour ago, Cbreezy said: Respectfully...nah. Hell nah, in fact. Your take ultimately doesn't hold (IMO) because it seems anchored in the fable that the Grammy committee by and large are this esteemed panel of people who vote based on meritocracy. Even if, momentarily, entertaining your take they are some kind of exclusive club that adheres to specific rules creatively (hence Bey's snubs), it does not explain away the consistent snubs of other Black artists such as Kendrick Lamar and the **very** long list of Black act who have never received their fair shake in the general field categories. You are not about to sit here and convince me any kind of way that Taylor Swift, Harry Styles, Adele, and Billie Eilish (who was literally thrown all the awards in her first era) are somehow more deserving EACH AND EVERY TIME when up against their Black peers without any kind of eyebrow raise? Please, be serious. There is a huge issue when Black artists are consistently among the leading forces of every other metric (charts, touring, etc) yet the biggest awarding body doesn't reflect that when it comes to general field. You bringing up Stevie Wonder's wins from 30/40 years ago and branding the very legit complaints about the constant snubs of Bey and other Black artists as "tantrums" pretty much tells me all I need to know. OTT perhaps, but it really is giving me an All Lives Matter tea. Because, even if not directly intended, it feels attached to the same tree of thought. To deny the obvious (that Black artists are being snubbed or treated a certain way) in the name of this "everyone has a fair shot and those pointing out the obvious are throwing tantrums" is the very same school of thought for those moaning about those pointing out very clear racial disparities in the broader world. I will never ever get people who deny the obvious. It's both scary and sad that there are people walking around like that's...normal. EDIT: The more I think about it, the @Pop Fan has to be trolling, because TF?! I will try to keep it short. Kendrick deserves to win in The GF, SZA too. But Beyonce is sadly not on their level, SZA and KDot are real artists and i hope they get their due. Beyonce is sadly just smoke and mirrors and insane PR. I am so glad that they didn't buy the whole "beyonce is a creative genius and a visionary" headlines and media articles that they try to push every time she releases an album
Joaco95 Posted May 10 Posted May 10 14 minutes ago, Pop Fan said: it is a known fact, check the intervies by people who were writing for her yeah she has writting camps and help to the songs development, shes not writting as much as she used to but she definitely gets into the whole creative process. So don't try to say she just pick a song and then let her team do the whole thing cause thats not what it happens when she's making an album AND YOU KNOW IT 1
Joaco95 Posted May 10 Posted May 10 3 minutes ago, Pop Fan said: I will try to keep it short. Kendrick deserves to win in The GF, SZA too. But Beyonce is sadly not on their level, SZA and KDot are real artists and i hope they get their due. Beyonce is sadly just smoke and mirrors and insane PR. I am so glad that they didn't buy the whole "beyonce is a creative genius and a visionary" headlines and media articles that they try to push every time she releases an album LMAO youre a taylor fan, stfu what do you know about real artists 1 1
period sis Posted May 10 Posted May 10 11 minutes ago, Pop Fan said: I will try to keep it short. Kendrick deserves to win in The GF, SZA too. But Beyonce is sadly not on their level, SZA and KDot are real artists and i hope they get their due. Beyonce is sadly just smoke and mirrors and insane PR. I am so glad that they didn't buy the whole "beyonce is a creative genius and a visionary" headlines and media articles that they try to push every time she releases an album so did you read my post or... 1
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