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[Anvarie]

 

I can’t tell if I need a gun or a Xanax 

[sillycilla]

I may have my own opinions about some of Beyoncés activism HOWEVER it is unfair she’s being held to a completely different standard by critics than Taylor on the exact same issue. Wtf. 

[Shelter]

Vulture obviously don’t like her. They literally retweeted the part about Palestine. 
 

The more she get political, the more others want her to say more or do more. I’m sure it’s exhausting. If she speaks out about Israel/Palestine. She is done because people will jump on her every word. With Beyoncé it’s never good enough, there is always people complaining. That’s why Swift isn’t either. It’s a lose/lose situation when you are as big as she is. 
 

All the movies are being shown in Israel and only Bey is getting attacked.  

[QueenB]

2 minutes ago, Shelter said:

Vulture obviously don’t like her. They literally retweeted the part about Palestine. 
 

The more she get political, the more others want her to say more or do more. I’m sure it’s exhausting. If she speaks out about Israel/Palestine. She is done because people will jump on her every word. With Beyoncé it’s never good enough, there is always people complaining. That’s why Swift isn’t either. It’s a lose/lose situation when you are as big as she is. 
 

All the movies are being shown in Israel and only Bey is getting attacked.  

At this point if she says anything itll be “why did she take so long to say something?” Hope she never says anything because these delulus will definitely think she was pressured into doing so

[Kassi]

All I got to say is 3 points:

• Capitalism and activism often complement each other. For example, many of those same activists have utilized Elon Musk’s platform and other resources provided by a capitalist system to amplify their messages. Similarly, Beyoncé, by virtue of her being rich, famous, and successful, has come to shoulder the expectations of these lazy Twitter activists who know they don’t have the same reach nor talent to change hearts and minds. And it’s true, not everyone can have millions of people across the world shouting out “I’m black!” — all of which is prefaced on the success of her earlier commercial works. The best evidence of this is how quickly these same activist are to discard the people who do couch in their corner. Like, they could give a **** what Solange has to say except to be used as a cudgel against Bey. Why? Because she’s not Beyoncé.
• Personal brands are dynamic in nature, especially in the case of public figures like Bey. Over time they evolve and, as we’ve seen, Bey’s journey as an artist and activist hasn’t been static, it’s been a continuum. She’s gone from Freakum Dress to j-setting in Single Ladies to a whole gay era. These are people with their own political sensibilities and artistic visions. As such, it’s essential to recognize the documentary as a snapshot of a moment in time, not a definitive verdict on Beyoncé's activism or its limitations. It's simply one piece of a larger, ongoing narrative.
• Last, it’s vital to maintain realistic expectations of the impact an individual, even one as influential as Beyoncé, can have. Activism is naturally a collective effort, and expecting one person to 'save the world' overlooks the broader societal and systemic efforts required for significant change. In fact, Beyoncé may have a lot to learn about international politics before she feels comfortable speaking out about ANY of it (notice she didn’t say anything on Ukraine). I’ve been studying it all my life and I’m constantly thrown into hours of research on something I thought I understood well enough. So putting Beyoncé on the spot to execute yet another “performance” in service of self-aggrandizing online activists’ egos rather than uplifting the tons of scholars/political scientists/experts on the matter is… for lack of a better word… corny.

[Kassi]

25 minutes ago, sillycilla said:

I may have my own opinions about some of Beyoncés activism HOWEVER it is unfair she’s being held to a completely different standard by critics than Taylor on the exact same issue. Wtf. 

Because it’s not about the issue. Ya dig? It’s about Beyoncé.

The only reason Taylor is in the mess now is because the Hive kept drawing comparisons to call out the hypocrisy. She showed her movie there for months and almost got away with it. That’s what’s so funny. All of these activists and the official BDS page had two months of lead time to draw attention to the subject (3 if you consider when tickets went on sale), yet they were mum on the subject.

 

They want to address Bey only, but can’t single her out now so Taylor has become a casualty.  It’s hilarious to watch unfold when you’re aware of everyone’s bias in the situation.

[Shelter]

2 minutes ago, Kassi said:

Because it’s not about the issue. Ya dig? It’s about Beyoncé.

The only reason Taylor is in the mess now is because the Hive kept drawing comparisons to call out the hypocrisy. She showed her movie there for months and almost got away with it. That’s what’s so funny. All of these activists and the official BDS page had two months of lead time to draw attention to the subject (3 if you consider tickets went on sale), yet they were mum on the subject.

 

They want to address Bey only, but can’t single her out now so Taylor has become a casualty.  It’s hilarious to watch unfold when you’re aware of everyone’s bias in the situation.

Where is Taylor in a mess, no one seems to care that she released it there or any other movie in fact. 
 

The critic has issues with Beyoncé and obviously biased before even going into it so it’s just a waste of a review, if you can even call it that. 

 

[benyonce]

It saddens me to see the discourse online, especially on something so serious that is impacting so many people, be trivialised into a stan war. This is far bigger than Beyoncé and people ought to be ashamed of themselves, weaponising a genocide to perpetuate their hate for Bey.

Seeing any sort of news on Palestine is uncomfortable, due to the heavy nature of what is happening, but necessary to drive change. Now, my social media is overrun with nonsense, that completely take's away from what is happening. This benefits NO ONE, but the few people driving this, that get their quick adrenaline rush when their post gets a few hundred likes.

That review is disgraceful also.

[kimberly]

3 hours ago, V$. said:

More than anything, Renaissance is a testament that Beyoncé is a brand that stands for absolutely nothing beyond its own greatness.

 

Angelica Jade Bastién
New York Magazine/Vulture

 

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/renaissance_a_film_by_beyonce/reviews?intcmp=rt-scorecard_tomatometer-reviews

 

GIRL

WHAT 

 

that review shouldn't count for anything. it's clearly not at all about RENAISSANCE but it's a review of Beyoncé as a political entity.

 

2 hours ago, QueenB said:

I wish the film went into why she cut the "big" three out, was it logistical? Was it too straining on her voice? I would've liked to known

Also when the horse wouldn't go up, I need the behind the scenes look backstage when that happened. 

 

I wanna see it a third time but AMC shows no listings this week, was this just a one weekend event? 

AMC over here has Digital screenings through this week and more DOLBY/IMAX over the weekend. depends on your location, probably!

[Kassi]

19 minutes ago, Shelter said:

Where is Taylor in a mess, no one seems to care that she released it there or any other movie in fact. 
 

The critic has issues with Beyoncé and obviously biased before even going into it so it’s just a waste of a review, if you can even call it that. 

 

I agree Taylor ain’t really in it. I’m just pointing out the ~very casual~ inclusion of Taylor in the overall narrative.

 

Ultimately, they’re not doing a great job of hiding their anti-Beyoncé agenda. 

[Mitsouko]

That review screams “I related so much to Lemonade but I’m alienated by the cvnty gayass dance music of Renaissance so lemme get my revenge”

[QueenB]

3 minutes ago, kimberly said:

that review shouldn't count for anything. it's clearly not at all about RENAISSANCE but it's a review of Beyoncé as a political entity.

 

AMC over here has Digital screenings through this week and more DOLBY/IMAX over the weekend. depends on your location, probably!

My AMC must suck then, all the dolby screens are for die-hard...

[Shelter]

18 minutes ago, Kassi said:

I agree Taylor ain’t really in it. I’m just pointing out the ~very casual~ inclusion of Taylor in the overall narrative.

 

Ultimately, they’re not doing a great job of hiding their anti-Beyoncé agenda. 

Other than Bey and Tay, there is big movies on in Israel right now, Wonka and Leo Dicaprio’s new one. Not a word is being said about those actors. It’s laughable. This is why I can’t take the criticism seriously, also the fact that the US is sending weapons to kill people in Palestine, yet the people hating on Beyoncé are from the US and their issue is with it being shown in Israel only. It makes no sense. 

[QueenB]

1 minute ago, Shelter said:

Other than Bey and Tay, there is big movies on in Israel right now, Wonka and Leo Dicaprio’s new one. Not a word is being said about those actors. It’s laughable. This is why I can’t take the criticism seriously, also the fact that the US is sending weapons to kill people in Palestine, yet the people hating on Beyoncé are from the US and their issue is with it being shown in Israel only. It makes no sense. 

Beyoncé gets more clicks and engagement, it's a testament to her star power unfortunately. These losers who weaponize tragedy don't even care about what's going on, it's all about retweets and engagement 

[giRLbye.]

6 hours ago, kimberly said:

re: the visual scrapping discourse — it is legal and common, but that doesn't mean people involved don't care when it happens?

 

if you pour your blood sweat tears into a Beyoncé project only for it to get scrapped, would you go back to work with her when she needs you for Act II or whatever?

 

something like that won't fly. it's like having an unexplained gap in your resumé, yet you did all the work.

 

if she's working with big name industry ppl who don't need Beyonce on their resume for clout - then perhaps no - maybe they won't go back to work with her

 

however many of these creatives are living job to job & need the money and the gig - they will absolutely come back for a check & a chance to be featured. 

 

the sky is not falling...she can choose to not release these visuals & she won't lack for future collaborators. for every person that goes...there's a new person waiting for their big break. its really okay. this is common in the industry....not every existing project sees the light. 

[Blumoon]

I hope Beyonce doesnt say ****.  Black women are not mules of the world and Beyonce doesnt have to stop and fetch every time a global crisis happens.  Where are the Palestinian celebs?
 

How crazy to think you can force an American woman to speak like a puppet of what you want her to.  For what? Everyone already knows whats happening. Its just to appease a social justice mob.  

 

[QueenB]

Honestly though, it isn't a new Beyoncé project without some controversy. 

[jane]

I'm just so proud of Bey for staying away from that Israel-Palestine stuff. I'm sorry but at some point people have the right to mind their business and admit they dont know everything. Just because they are mega stars doesn't mean they can share opinions on everything. Bey is not a US diplomat. Enough of this. I truly hope next era she goes back with the IASF vibe and only makes hits. Nothing deep just good songs and make your coins woman. None of those people are worth it. They always end up turning on her no matter what she does.

 

 

[giRLbye.]

i thought "Renaissance" was the album & era of having fun with dance music

[jane]

1 minute ago, giRLbye. said:

i thought "Renaissance" was the album & era of having fun with dance music

She still made a strong statement by paying tribute to gay culture with her uncle Johnny. Deep down some of the attacks on her since that era started is because of it. Homophobia is not completely gone, far from it. Many celebrated this era but it also bothered many others, who used excuses to come at Bey, especially those conservative black folks in the church, they are heated about this album.

[Kassi]

13 minutes ago, jane said:

I'm just so proud of Bey for staying away from that Israel-Palestine stuff. I'm sorry but at some point people have the right to mind their business and admit they dont know everything. Just because they are mega stars doesn't mean they can share opinions on everything. Bey is not a US diplomat. Enough of this. I truly hope next era she goes back with the IASF vibe and only makes hits. Nothing deep just good songs and make your coins woman. None of those people are worth it. They always end up turning on her no matter what she does.

 

 

I agree.
 

But I have to say, the funny thing about this is that, back when she wasn’t the face of social justice to these people, they were calling her out for “not speaking up”. 
 

I remember being so confused cause Chime For Change started in Feb 2013, well before the Self-Titled (Dec 2013) feminist declaration, and she had been attending Trayvon Martin rallies that same summer of 2013. 
 

Then I realized it’s because they didn’t keep up with her activism like that. They wanted her to be in FRONT of the movement before they could credit her. Then when she did so in 2016, it was called performative and exploitative, even when she went to great lengths to make Formation single FREE for 3 months. 
 

I’ve been in this for so long that I see all their patterns now. It’s always about humbling the woman, so they will find a way. The key is to ignore and shut them down. They’ll use fancy buzzwords and wrap up their disdain in activist language and academic theories, but these are not serious people. They are posers (and MANY times Rihanna stans or fans of lesser RnB girls).

[Shone Ai]

The press for the film DID make big deal about it being released on World AID Day

[PrettyHurts]

The most annoying part of the article is her saying that people project radicalness onto bey. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone in the hive or bey herself refer to her politics as radical. She focuses mostly on the craft of it and the messaging is secondary. I understand wanting her to be more clear about the stances that she takes but that review is just a mean spirited takedown and completely unfair to her 

Edited December 5, 2023 by PrettyHurts

[Chris]

@V$. not us getting a release date and a trailer before the Renaissance visuals.

 

 

[Kassi]

I just had war flashbacks to defending her feminism in 2014 and trying to get the girls to understand that she had indeed been feminist her entire career and to just look at the messages in her music catalogue for proof. 

 

Oh I used to so earnest and naive. Meanwhile those people were trolling.  We’ve come a long way