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[SashaDevachelli]

I think I’ve come to terms in accepting that the visuals were scrapped. For now. I’m just going to pretend she’s remaking everything and it’s going to be even better than what we were teased with, that’s what is actually happening 

[Tsareena]

that article was really bizarre. for the writer to completely miss the point of the album/ tour/ tour film like wow.

 

on visuals... at this point I'll take the tour film as the music videos

[swissman]

16 minutes ago, V$. said:

More than anything, Renaissance is a testament that Beyoncé is a brand that stands for absolutely nothing beyond its own greatness.

 

Angelica Jade Bastién
New York Magazine/Vulture

 

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/renaissance_a_film_by_beyonce/reviews?intcmp=rt-scorecard_tomatometer-reviews

 

GIRL

WHAT 

 

This is such a weird interpretation (given also what comes before it in the article) because the RWT was clearly meant to be a space to escape. Her naming all the violence and threats against queer people in this film goes against that ethos. Sometimes it's what's between the lines that matter, and on tour Beyoncé didn't go on diatribes about politics or whatever in order to prove a point that most in attendance likely already agreed with...but provided a space to forget about that and just have fun.

 

It's like the reviewer missed that part of the film where she explains this.

[PrettyHurts]

43 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

But that was an artistic choice so that one feels inclined to do that while watching the movie in the cinema. I feel like it felt like reliving the concert which ive never had with any concert Film before

I agree. It was very cinematic but also kept the energy of what it feels like to be at a concert. I usually don’t like concert recordings with multiple dates, but it was done really well with this film. The editing is just perfect 

[ScorpiosGroove]

that stupid ***** 

[Kassi]

18 minutes ago, swissman said:

This is such a weird interpretation (given also what comes before it in the article) because the RWT was clearly meant to be a space to escape. Her naming all the violence and threats against queer people in this film goes against that ethos. Sometimes it's what's between the lines that matter, and on tour Beyoncé didn't go on diatribes about politics or whatever in order to prove a point that most in attendance likely already agreed with...but provided a space to forget about that and just have fun.

 

It's like the reviewer missed that part of the film where she explains this.

I got the same sense as you while reading these lines:

 

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Though Johnny died of AIDS complications, you won’t learn that from Renaissance. The only mention of his final days comes when Beyoncé’s cousin, Angie Beyince, off-handedly refers to his hospice care. At first blush, the refusal to mention AIDS is odd in a documentary, album, and tour so primed on queer Black joy. But this is by design. For there is no star of such magnitude who more cunningly positions themselves as apolitical than Beyoncé.

It’s like, did she want a full run-down of Uncle Johnny’s condition as his health deteriorated from AIDS? Why does the preceding 5 minutes CELEBRATING his talents, contributions, and joy not suffice to highlight the worthiness of queer black men?
 

Should she similarly have lingered on JZ Prodigies struggle as a poor, fat, gay black man? 
 

These people are addicted to black TRAUMA porn, they could give a damn about black joy and triumph in the face of adversity. It’s SICK. 

[QueenB]

I wish the film went into why she cut the "big" three out, was it logistical? Was it too straining on her voice? I would've liked to known

Also when the horse wouldn't go up, I need the behind the scenes look backstage when that happened. 

 

I wanna see it a third time but AMC shows no listings this week, was this just a one weekend event? 

[Shelter]

33 minutes ago, V$. said:

More than anything, Renaissance is a testament that Beyoncé is a brand that stands for absolutely nothing beyond its own greatness.

 

Angelica Jade Bastién
New York Magazine/Vulture

 

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/renaissance_a_film_by_beyonce/reviews?intcmp=rt-scorecard_tomatometer-reviews

 

GIRL

WHAT 

 

Didn’t matter how good the movie was, she was going to give it a negative review because of Palestine. What a pathetic reviewer. 

[Kassi]

As far as documenting why she cut the big three, I don’t think it would have worked in the context of the concert film since they were included.

 

At least it’s not an edit I would make, mostly out of fear of confusing viewers. I do hope we get to learn more about why in the future.

[Chris]

 

Her driving away with the visuals.

 

[Kassi]

You know what’s funny to me is that Beyoncé did open up about a painful personal experience in Lemonade. And these same people (some Hive included) often throw it back in her face when they want to humble her. 
 

Like, could you imagine the speculative articles and sensationalism about “possible tour date cancellations blah blah blah” had she revealed on social media that she had knee surgery? This is the level of candor they want from Bey, while offering NONE of the grace or understanding that comes from people within your inner circle.
 

It’s true what mama always said: you can’t go around just telling everybody your business.

[swissman]

2 minutes ago, Kassi said:

As far as documenting why she cut the big three, I don’t think it would have worked in the context of the concert film since they were included.

 

At least it’s not an edit I would make, mostly out of fear of confusing viewers. I do hope we get to learn more about why in the future.

I still think that though they work on camera, they don't "fill" a stadium quite like other moments and that's mostly because the way it's staged (in the dark, rather stagnant and also not being particularly memorable in terms of the set pieces) and thus were less integral to the full piece. As well, excluding them doesn't interrupt the message of the tour as much as other RENAISSANCE or some non-RENAISSANCE songs would. It's also a long show so I can see why perhaps they wanted to reduce it, but then brought it back because it would make for good moments for the film.

[Chris]

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

 

[swissman]

2 minutes ago, Kassi said:

You know what’s funny to me is that Beyoncé did open up about a painful personal experience in Lemonade. And these same people (some Hive included) often throw it back in her face when they want to humble her. 
 

Like, could you imagine the speculative articles and sensationalism about “possible tour date cancellations blah blah blah” had she revealed on social media that she had knee surgery? This is the level of candor they want from Bey, while offering NONE of the grace or understanding that comes from people within your inner circle.
 

It’s true what mama always said: you can’t go around just telling everybody your business.

This!

 

Tbh most Beyoncé haters are very hypocritical. They want Beyoncé to act one way, but when she has in the past, they say it's fake or just to sell something. But then when she doesn't do it later, "she's fake and just wants to sell something".

[Chromatica]

Really curious to see what's next in 2024. Visuals? 2nd EU/US legs + Latin America? Act II album?

Also hopefully sometime soon the live album of the RWT once the theater run is over.

Personally I do really want the visuals. This album has become one of my all time favorites along with Chromatica.

I see them both as sister albums, they came out during some difficult years for me and I've attended both tours multiple times

and every time I listen to them it feels like a celebration now.

[Kassi]

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the refusal to mention AIDS is odd in a documentary, album, and tour so primed on queer Black joy

I’m sorry, but everytime I read this line I see red. I’m ******* seething.

 

Wtf does AIDS have to do with queer black joy??
 

She is actually INSANE. 

[jadeabove]

53 minutes ago, ShouldersSideways said:

The same writer gave Lemonade a 100 and said this "Ultimately, Lemonade cements Beyoncé as an essential voice -- not just an entertainer." 

 

She's angry that Bey didn't opine enough about Johnny's death from AIDs which is frankly very weird

Hmmm, no, she's saying that her activism seems to be limited by the idea of capitalism or her brand. 

 

Essentially, Beyoncé has reached as far as she could with her current branding. 

 

At the end of the day, I adore Beyoncé, but I can't say that I didn't see the same limitations in her speech. It's not her responsibility to save the world, in any way, and I'm not disillusioned in any way to think hat it is the case, but there are limits to mixing capitalism with activism, and while the seams have been visible for a while, I do agree that this documentary sorts of cements it. 

[satellites.™]

2 hours ago, Mitsouko said:

parasocial is such a strong word

 

 

She probably just learned it after hearing Swiftie was up for WOTY, that word was also on the list.

[ScorpiosGroove]

33 minutes ago, Chris said:

 

Her driving away with the visuals.

 

she’s really a witch for not giving us this damn visual, this shot and a single look exhibit better acting than all of her movie performances  

Edited December 4, 2023 by ScorpiosGroove

[satellites.™]

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Renaissance: A Film demonstrates that Black joy isn’t inherently radical. In fact, without a sense of materiality, Black joy becomes directionless and easy to co-opt by the varied forces of power that are fueled by anti-Blackness.

Let me have a sit down with this writer and explain to her that black joy IS NOT supposed to be radical, wtf is she even talking about? The very word, joy, does not bring anything in relation to the word, radical, to mind! Clown !

 

Also, that second sentence is dripping in so much ******* pretentiousness and INCORRECTNESS that it really pissed me off that she thought phrasing it that way would go over most people's head. I can read it for what it is and mam you are wrong in so many ways I am shocked you are even black, but my assumption is she is likely a very pro-black (only) kind of person and does not like Bey having an international presence or marketing herself to white/auro audiences in anyway. Those kind of black people can never and will never be on her side because they want her to be one dimensional and that's not who Beyonce is, she has always had an evolved brain. She is not going to box herself into the Sojourner Truth they're looking for because it IS NOT HER LANE. She is an entertainer, ****! 

Edited December 4, 2023 by satellites.™

[PrettyHurts]

14 minutes ago, jadeabove said:

Hmmm, no, she's saying that her activism seems to be limited by the idea of capitalism or her brand. 

 

Essentially, Beyoncé has reached as far as she could with her current branding. 

 

At the end of the day, I adore Beyoncé, but I can't say that I didn't see the same limitations in her speech. It's not her responsibility to save the world, in any way, and I'm not disillusioned in any way to think hat it is the case, but there are limits to mixing capitalism with activism, and while the seams have been visible for a while, I do agree that this documentary sorts of cements it. 

Ya I agree with this. That’s why I hope her next album is a bunch of love songs lol. She has reached the limit with the whole activist thing. She remains a capitalist and it’s gonna stay that way. She will never sacrifice her wealth for the greater good 

[Mr.X]

15 minutes ago, jadeabove said:

Hmmm, no, she's saying that her activism seems to be limited by the idea of capitalism or her brand. 

 

Essentially, Beyoncé has reached as far as she could with her current branding. 

 

At the end of the day, I adore Beyoncé, but I can't say that I didn't see the same limitations in her speech. It's not her responsibility to save the world, in any way, and I'm not disillusioned in any way to think hat it is the case, but there are limits to mixing capitalism with activism, and while the seams have been visible for a while, I do agree that this documentary sorts of cements it. 

Thank you! I agree with you

[satellites.™]

And actually to her credit, I guess she does go on to make the point that Beyonce (the brand) will always be the main focus, but she says it in a very condescending way, the prior paragraph suggests she PREFERS Beyonce as radical and since she isn't, she cannot be "her best".

 

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Beyoncé is an icon who has carefully maintained a sense of accessibility to anyone, anywhere, for any reason. Black musical traditions may have the potential for radicalism, but Beyoncé’s neutrality demonstrates they aren’t inherently that way. More than anything, Renaissance is a testament that Beyoncé is a brand that stands for absolutely nothing beyond its own greatness.

 

[Draper.]

The fact that a black woman out of all people showcased so clearly how the standard is not the same for Beyoncé or any other black artist out there because NOBODY is asking these political statements from white popstars is unfunny. 

 

And maybe you should not be a music/film critic if you don’t think the art itself can speak politically. It’s clear what Bey stands for in many topics just looking at her art, asking her to be verbalized is just stupid. Art doesn’t need to be contextualized, statements don’t need to be verbalized. That makes it literal and less conceptual, infantilizes it and dilutes its power to become different things and be interpreted in many ways (as sad as it is, the Break My Soul - Israel situation proves this power).

Edited December 4, 2023 by Draper.

[Draper.]

She’s probably in the 0,001% of Noname listeners in her Spotify Wrapped with a total of 12 minutes too. 

Edited December 4, 2023 by Draper.