2 minutes ago, Kassi said:

As far as documenting why she cut the big three, I don’t think it would have worked in the context of the concert film since they were included.

 

At least it’s not an edit I would make, mostly out of fear of confusing viewers. I do hope we get to learn more about why in the future.

I still think that though they work on camera, they don't "fill" a stadium quite like other moments and that's mostly because the way it's staged (in the dark, rather stagnant and also not being particularly memorable in terms of the set pieces) and thus were less integral to the full piece. As well, excluding them doesn't interrupt the message of the tour as much as other RENAISSANCE or some non-RENAISSANCE songs would. It's also a long show so I can see why perhaps they wanted to reduce it, but then brought it back because it would make for good moments for the film.

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2 minutes ago, Kassi said:

You know what’s funny to me is that Beyoncé did open up about a painful personal experience in Lemonade. And these same people (some Hive included) often throw it back in her face when they want to humble her. 
 

Like, could you imagine the speculative articles and sensationalism about “possible tour date cancellations blah blah blah” had she revealed on social media that she had knee surgery? This is the level of candor they want from Bey, while offering NONE of the grace or understanding that comes from people within your inner circle.
 

It’s true what mama always said: you can’t go around just telling everybody your business.

This!

 

Tbh most Beyoncé haters are very hypocritical. They want Beyoncé to act one way, but when she has in the past, they say it's fake or just to sell something. But then when she doesn't do it later, "she's fake and just wants to sell something".

Really curious to see what's next in 2024. Visuals? 2nd EU/US legs + Latin America? Act II album?

Also hopefully sometime soon the live album of the RWT once the theater run is over.

Personally I do really want the visuals. This album has become one of my all time favorites along with Chromatica.

I see them both as sister albums, they came out during some difficult years for me and I've attended both tours multiple times

and every time I listen to them it feels like a celebration now.

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the refusal to mention AIDS is odd in a documentary, album, and tour so primed on queer Black joy

I’m sorry, but everytime I read this line I see red. I’m ******* seething.

 

Wtf does AIDS have to do with queer black joy??
 

She is actually INSANE. 

53 minutes ago, ShouldersSideways said:

The same writer gave Lemonade a 100 and said this "Ultimately, Lemonade cements Beyoncé as an essential voice -- not just an entertainer." 

 

She's angry that Bey didn't opine enough about Johnny's death from AIDs which is frankly very weird

Hmmm, no, she's saying that her activism seems to be limited by the idea of capitalism or her brand. 

 

Essentially, Beyoncé has reached as far as she could with her current branding. 

 

At the end of the day, I adore Beyoncé, but I can't say that I didn't see the same limitations in her speech. It's not her responsibility to save the world, in any way, and I'm not disillusioned in any way to think hat it is the case, but there are limits to mixing capitalism with activism, and while the seams have been visible for a while, I do agree that this documentary sorts of cements it. 

2 hours ago, Mitsouko said:

parasocial is such a strong word

 

 

She probably just learned it after hearing Swiftie was up for WOTY, that word was also on the list.

33 minutes ago, Chris said:

 

Her driving away with the visuals.

 

she’s really a witch for not giving us this damn visual, this shot and a single look exhibit better acting than all of her movie performances  

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Renaissance: A Film demonstrates that Black joy isn’t inherently radical. In fact, without a sense of materiality, Black joy becomes directionless and easy to co-opt by the varied forces of power that are fueled by anti-Blackness.

Let me have a sit down with this writer and explain to her that black joy IS NOT supposed to be radical, wtf is she even talking about? The very word, joy, does not bring anything in relation to the word, radical, to mind! Clown !

 

Also, that second sentence is dripping in so much ******* pretentiousness and INCORRECTNESS that it really pissed me off that she thought phrasing it that way would go over most people's head. I can read it for what it is and mam you are wrong in so many ways I am shocked you are even black, but my assumption is she is likely a very pro-black (only) kind of person and does not like Bey having an international presence or marketing herself to white/auro audiences in anyway. Those kind of black people can never and will never be on her side because they want her to be one dimensional and that's not who Beyonce is, she has always had an evolved brain. She is not going to box herself into the Sojourner Truth they're looking for because it IS NOT HER LANE. She is an entertainer, ****! 

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14 minutes ago, jadeabove said:

Hmmm, no, she's saying that her activism seems to be limited by the idea of capitalism or her brand. 

 

Essentially, Beyoncé has reached as far as she could with her current branding. 

 

At the end of the day, I adore Beyoncé, but I can't say that I didn't see the same limitations in her speech. It's not her responsibility to save the world, in any way, and I'm not disillusioned in any way to think hat it is the case, but there are limits to mixing capitalism with activism, and while the seams have been visible for a while, I do agree that this documentary sorts of cements it. 

Ya I agree with this. That’s why I hope her next album is a bunch of love songs lol. She has reached the limit with the whole activist thing. She remains a capitalist and it’s gonna stay that way. She will never sacrifice her wealth for the greater good 

15 minutes ago, jadeabove said:

Hmmm, no, she's saying that her activism seems to be limited by the idea of capitalism or her brand. 

 

Essentially, Beyoncé has reached as far as she could with her current branding. 

 

At the end of the day, I adore Beyoncé, but I can't say that I didn't see the same limitations in her speech. It's not her responsibility to save the world, in any way, and I'm not disillusioned in any way to think hat it is the case, but there are limits to mixing capitalism with activism, and while the seams have been visible for a while, I do agree that this documentary sorts of cements it. 

Thank you! I agree with you

And actually to her credit, I guess she does go on to make the point that Beyonce (the brand) will always be the main focus, but she says it in a very condescending way, the prior paragraph suggests she PREFERS Beyonce as radical and since she isn't, she cannot be "her best".

 

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Beyoncé is an icon who has carefully maintained a sense of accessibility to anyone, anywhere, for any reason. Black musical traditions may have the potential for radicalism, but Beyoncé’s neutrality demonstrates they aren’t inherently that way. More than anything, Renaissance is a testament that Beyoncé is a brand that stands for absolutely nothing beyond its own greatness.

 

The fact that a black woman out of all people showcased so clearly how the standard is not the same for Beyoncé or any other black artist out there because NOBODY is asking these political statements from white popstars is unfunny. 

 

And maybe you should not be a music/film critic if you don’t think the art itself can speak politically. It’s clear what Bey stands for in many topics just looking at her art, asking her to be verbalized is just stupid. Art doesn’t need to be contextualized, statements don’t need to be verbalized. That makes it literal and less conceptual, infantilizes it and dilutes its power to become different things and be interpreted in many ways (as sad as it is, the Break My Soul - Israel situation proves this power).

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She’s probably in the 0,001% of Noname listeners in her Spotify Wrapped with a total of 12 minutes too. 

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I can’t tell if I need a gun or a Xanax 

I may have my own opinions about some of Beyoncés activism HOWEVER it is unfair she’s being held to a completely different standard by critics than Taylor on the exact same issue. Wtf. 

Vulture obviously don’t like her. They literally retweeted the part about Palestine. 
 

The more she get political, the more others want her to say more or do more. I’m sure it’s exhausting. If she speaks out about Israel/Palestine. She is done because people will jump on her every word. With Beyoncé it’s never good enough, there is always people complaining. That’s why Swift isn’t either. It’s a lose/lose situation when you are as big as she is. 
 

All the movies are being shown in Israel and only Bey is getting attacked.  

2 minutes ago, Shelter said:

Vulture obviously don’t like her. They literally retweeted the part about Palestine. 
 

The more she get political, the more others want her to say more or do more. I’m sure it’s exhausting. If she speaks out about Israel/Palestine. She is done because people will jump on her every word. With Beyoncé it’s never good enough, there is always people complaining. That’s why Swift isn’t either. It’s a lose/lose situation when you are as big as she is. 
 

All the movies are being shown in Israel and only Bey is getting attacked.  

At this point if she says anything itll be “why did she take so long to say something?” Hope she never says anything because these delulus will definitely think she was pressured into doing so

All I got to say is 3 points:

• Capitalism and activism often complement each other. For example, many of those same activists have utilized Elon Musk’s platform and other resources provided by a capitalist system to amplify their messages. Similarly, Beyoncé, by virtue of her being rich, famous, and successful, has come to shoulder the expectations of these lazy Twitter activists who know they don’t have the same reach nor talent to change hearts and minds. And it’s true, not everyone can have millions of people across the world shouting out “I’m black!” — all of which is prefaced on the success of her earlier commercial works. The best evidence of this is how quickly these same activist are to discard the people who do couch in their corner. Like, they could give a **** what Solange has to say except to be used as a cudgel against Bey. Why? Because she’s not Beyoncé.
• Personal brands are dynamic in nature, especially in the case of public figures like Bey. Over time they evolve and, as we’ve seen, Bey’s journey as an artist and activist hasn’t been static, it’s been a continuum. She’s gone from Freakum Dress to j-setting in Single Ladies to a whole gay era. These are people with their own political sensibilities and artistic visions. As such, it’s essential to recognize the documentary as a snapshot of a moment in time, not a definitive verdict on Beyoncé's activism or its limitations. It's simply one piece of a larger, ongoing narrative.
• Last, it’s vital to maintain realistic expectations of the impact an individual, even one as influential as Beyoncé, can have. Activism is naturally a collective effort, and expecting one person to 'save the world' overlooks the broader societal and systemic efforts required for significant change. In fact, Beyoncé may have a lot to learn about international politics before she feels comfortable speaking out about ANY of it (notice she didn’t say anything on Ukraine). I’ve been studying it all my life and I’m constantly thrown into hours of research on something I thought I understood well enough. So putting Beyoncé on the spot to execute yet another “performance” in service of self-aggrandizing online activists’ egos rather than uplifting the tons of scholars/political scientists/experts on the matter is… for lack of a better word… corny.

25 minutes ago, sillycilla said:

I may have my own opinions about some of Beyoncés activism HOWEVER it is unfair she’s being held to a completely different standard by critics than Taylor on the exact same issue. Wtf. 

Because it’s not about the issue. Ya dig? It’s about Beyoncé.

The only reason Taylor is in the mess now is because the Hive kept drawing comparisons to call out the hypocrisy. She showed her movie there for months and almost got away with it. That’s what’s so funny. All of these activists and the official BDS page had two months of lead time to draw attention to the subject (3 if you consider when tickets went on sale), yet they were mum on the subject.

 

They want to address Bey only, but can’t single her out now so Taylor has become a casualty.  It’s hilarious to watch unfold when you’re aware of everyone’s bias in the situation.

2 minutes ago, Kassi said:

Because it’s not about the issue. Ya dig? It’s about Beyoncé.

The only reason Taylor is in the mess now is because the Hive kept drawing comparisons to call out the hypocrisy. She showed her movie there for months and almost got away with it. That’s what’s so funny. All of these activists and the official BDS page had two months of lead time to draw attention to the subject (3 if you consider tickets went on sale), yet they were mum on the subject.

 

They want to address Bey only, but can’t single her out now so Taylor has become a casualty.  It’s hilarious to watch unfold when you’re aware of everyone’s bias in the situation.

Where is Taylor in a mess, no one seems to care that she released it there or any other movie in fact. 
 

The critic has issues with Beyoncé and obviously biased before even going into it so it’s just a waste of a review, if you can even call it that. 

 

It saddens me to see the discourse online, especially on something so serious that is impacting so many people, be trivialised into a stan war. This is far bigger than Beyoncé and people ought to be ashamed of themselves, weaponising a genocide to perpetuate their hate for Bey.

Seeing any sort of news on Palestine is uncomfortable, due to the heavy nature of what is happening, but necessary to drive change. Now, my social media is overrun with nonsense, that completely take's away from what is happening. This benefits NO ONE, but the few people driving this, that get their quick adrenaline rush when their post gets a few hundred likes.

That review is disgraceful also.

3 hours ago, V$. said:

More than anything, Renaissance is a testament that Beyoncé is a brand that stands for absolutely nothing beyond its own greatness.

 

Angelica Jade Bastién
New York Magazine/Vulture

 

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/renaissance_a_film_by_beyonce/reviews?intcmp=rt-scorecard_tomatometer-reviews

 

GIRL

WHAT 

 

that review shouldn't count for anything. it's clearly not at all about RENAISSANCE but it's a review of Beyoncé as a political entity.

 

2 hours ago, QueenB said:

I wish the film went into why she cut the "big" three out, was it logistical? Was it too straining on her voice? I would've liked to known

Also when the horse wouldn't go up, I need the behind the scenes look backstage when that happened. 

 

I wanna see it a third time but AMC shows no listings this week, was this just a one weekend event? 

AMC over here has Digital screenings through this week and more DOLBY/IMAX over the weekend. depends on your location, probably!

19 minutes ago, Shelter said:

Where is Taylor in a mess, no one seems to care that she released it there or any other movie in fact. 
 

The critic has issues with Beyoncé and obviously biased before even going into it so it’s just a waste of a review, if you can even call it that. 

 

I agree Taylor ain’t really in it. I’m just pointing out the ~very casual~ inclusion of Taylor in the overall narrative.

 

Ultimately, they’re not doing a great job of hiding their anti-Beyoncé agenda. 

That review screams “I related so much to Lemonade but I’m alienated by the cvnty gayass dance music of Renaissance so lemme get my revenge”