fan base Beyoncé

[XXX.]

I think The Big 3 gets cut because from Plastic Off The Sofa onward, the only song that’s not brand new Renaissance material is Naughty Girl — and Drunk if she does The Big 3. That’s 8 new songs back to back.

 

I didn’t notice it when I saw her from CR in Chicago, because I was surrounded by stans…. but the stretch from Plastic Off The Sofa felt challenging for the casual fan when I saw her from a non-floor seat in Phoenix.

 

I think it’s more of a show momentum thing and keeping the audience engaged with songs they instantly recognize. 

[sillycilla]

19 minutes ago, kimberly said:

me looking for those "pretty girls" in this base

 

 

Present!

[Cbreezy]

42 minutes ago, laudibella said:

Meanwhile Taylor’s about to put a film into theaters

I know this was possibly meant as shade (?), which I'd get given all we've been through with Bey this era. 

 

However, I've been really intrigued about the whole visuals/streamers negotiation tea we got from Jeff Sneider the other day. 

 

Deep diving into the backend of Taylor's situation, it seems the streamers were also giving her the run-around hence her AMC deal. 

 

She's now smashing records and has drummed up almost $30 million in presales of theater tickets...from a show she taped across a couple of nights. Bear in mind that this is just North American ticket sales. 

 

Assuming Bey doesn't have a deal in place yet (which I actually don't think is the case), Taylor's situation could easily benefit Bey in one of two ways:

 

A) The streamers see there is still value in select big music artist partnerships, stop playing hardball, and essentially give Bey what she wants (which insiders say is a limited theatrical release followed by a quick streaming debut). In the art of competition, they won't want artists flocking to make independent theatrical deals like Taylor did in favor of their platforms. In the simplest terms, it'd make way more sense to cut Bey a $30 million check for exclusive and eternal rights to a film she produced in-house than have her "do a Taylor", retain ownership, release it indie, make a tonne a money, and still have the freedom to house it on a rival streaming platform down the line. In a way, it's much more advantageous to, for example, use the hype around being "the" platform to "present" 'the "long-awaited Beyonce visuals" to drum up subscribers than missing out entirely. 

 

OR

 

B) Bey "does a Taylor" and cuts a theatrical deal. Even if her base isn't as wide as a Taylor's "middle America" core to drum up insane sums like $20 mill/$30 mill from presales, one vital difference is that Bey would be premiering her ish worldwide. So, even with the most conservative estimate of its box office performance, she'll be making tens of millions back and thus turning a big profit if (for example) the visuals cost her a small amount to actually make. She retains ownership and thus can do as she chooses with them afterwards. So, while we sit here waiting for a streamer, she would in theory have the scope to go to theaters first and make it available on all digital stores after, sell physicals in her store, merch it up like she does with the music. So on and so forth. 

 

I'm for sure looking at this through stan-coated glasses and admit there's a tint of "assuming" there's a sizeable amount of interest in "Brand Beyonce" by streamers and theater partners who have data we for sure don't (and might suggest the opposite). But just mulling over all of this and assessing the variables assures me that, even in the worst case scenario, she has...options. 

 

In our annoyed state, I'm seeing a lot of "just release it on YouTube". But much as she annoys me, it's vital not to forget that the math has to math! Producing the visuals costs a lot of money; money that she spent upfront and will absolutely not make back on YouTube. Or, at least, not on YouTube alone. 

 

Anyway, this was wayyy longer than intended. But one thing is for sure: I think the future of Bey visuals (beyond Rennie) will probably look different on the backend. Her model of producing big splashy visual pieces to her albums and shopping them with a certain expectation of multiple takers and a big pay-off doesn't seem as...certain...anymore. The change could be as simple as snagging production deals that guarantee a release before she's even shot a scene (like many conventional movies)...or skewing less big and all-out (think indie short films). That said, I don't foresee her ever really going back to basic YouTube videos. By going big and theatrical, she's put herself and her output in certain rooms that she would voluntarily be exiting (Emmys, Oscars, Golden Globes) by ever going the YouTube route. It's far less lucrative too and we know fave is about her bag. 

[giRLbye.]

34 minutes ago, satellites.™ said:

Not gonna lie, I would be LIVID if I showed up at the Renaissance Tour and saw Lil Wayne, like actually pissed.

 

I DO not want to give him money and YES he is a homophobe.

 

HUGE oversight and Twitter is picking up on it FAST.

 

the crowd went crazy

 

different strokes for different folks...it wasnt just gay people there

[Kaizen]

I loved every single song on Ren from the jump except maybe SR. 🤣🤣

 

Cozy live made me appreciate it SO much more. 
AHAP & AIUYM have always been those girls. 
Those “la la la la” on Energy were perfect. 
 

I’m probably not gonna see her in New Orleans as I was planning because I bought a new vehicle. 
 

I really wish she would drop the visuals. I mean … some of her fans have died and never seen them 😩

 

the artist of my generation, so glad I got to see her live and during THIS tour. 

[KKW]

The random reports 

[Draper.]

10 minutes ago, XXX. said:

I think The Big 3 gets cut because from Plastic Off The Sofa onward, the only song that’s not brand new Renaissance material is Naughty Girl — and Drunk if she does The Big 3. That’s 8 new songs back to back.

 

I didn’t notice it when I saw her from CR in Chicago, because I was surrounded by stans…. but the stretch from Plastic Off The Sofa felt challenging for the casual fan when I saw her from a non-floor seat in Phoenix.

 

I think it’s more of a show momentum thing and keeping the audience engaged with songs they instantly recognize. 

It's literally called the "Renaissance World Tour", not the "What New Music Yall B*tches Betta Dance to this old sh*t World Tour". One lie was enough for its title.

[Jon Snow]

If she didn’t do most of the songs from Renaissance, the girls would be complaining because it’s too few. If she did Thique/AUIYM every show, they would complain that it’s too much. The same happened with Justice for Thique. Everyone wanted it back when she cut it off, but now suddenly girls are complaining about her bringing it back and that it’s bad. There are some things I will never be able to understand 

[XXX.]

3 minutes ago, Draper. said:

It's literally called the "Renaissance World Tour", not the "What New Music Yall B*tches Betta Dance to this old sh*t World Tour". One lie was enough for its title.

LMFAO!

 

I felt so awkward when everyone around me sat down during Plastic & Virgo’s Groove.  I almost sat down too, but I said NAH!  That’s y’all business!

[Draper.]

The theory that a limited theatrical release would take the views from the streaming service makes NO SENSE. People paying to watch it in cinemas (fans) would easily check it again at home if they have the streaming service. I watched Homecoming or Lemonade way more times than anybody has watched Bird Box for sure. 

[Shone Ai]

2 hours ago, mariposa said:

Glad you brought it up because I NEVER understood why Hive made this out to be some big cryptic thing. The message was very crystal clear: releases used to be on Tuesday, Bey drops ST on Friday -> releases officially move to Friday -> and now she's releasing [released] BMS on Tuesday

 

Nothing more, nothing less. The whole debacle was really serving no deduction skills 

THATS WHAT IT MEANT????!!!

[kimberly]

6 minutes ago, Shone Ai said:

THATS WHAT IT MEANT????!!!

I thought we all knew that's what it meant but were just making fun of Auntie Yvette. 

[Lose My Breath]

I hope whoever is in here reporting this stuff gets warnings themselves, cause this is just ridiculous

[Lose My Breath]

17 minutes ago, Draper. said:

The theory that a limited theatrical release would take the views from the streaming service makes NO SENSE. People paying to watch it in cinemas (fans) would easily check it again at home if they have the streaming service. I watched Homecoming or Lemonade way more times than anybody has watched Bird Box for sure. 

I still watching homecoming from time to time

[Shone Ai]

6 minutes ago, kimberly said:

I thought we all knew that's what it meant but were just making fun of Auntie Yvette. 

No because she said it in the same as “we’re doing a traditional rollout” so it’d safe to assume that she was setting a schedule 

[Shone Ai]

1 minute ago, Lose My Breath said:

I still watching homecoming from time to time

My sister watches the *** out of homecoming. 

[satellites.™]

If yall really wanna know who is viewing and reporting, I say we tag ALL THE MODS and ask.

[bwhansen]

I think I might have watched Homecoming around a hundred times. And I'm fully serious.

[Chris]

4 minutes ago, Lose My Breath said:

I hope whoever is in here reporting this stuff gets warnings themselves, cause this is just ridiculous

So you want a warning point then?

 

[Chris]

Whoever is hating on Summer Renaissance lacks taste, is ugly, has bad breath, body odor, has no friends, no jobs, and is secretly homophobic.

 

Like why the hate?

[satellites.™]

SR is not good. It's a 6/10.

[Devin]

I feel like non-Hive come in here, lurk, and report. 

[Chris]

4 minutes ago, satellites.™ said:

SR is brilliant It's a 10/10.

At least someone gets it.

 

Edited September 2, 2023 by Chris

[Cbreezy]

59 minutes ago, Draper. said:

The theory that a limited theatrical release would take the views from the streaming service makes NO SENSE. People paying to watch it in cinemas (fans) would easily check it again at home if they have the streaming service. I watched Homecoming or Lemonade way more times than anybody has watched Bird Box for sure. 

I kinda get all sides. Hers, ours, and the streamers. 

 

What you said makes total sense. I know I'd for sure go to the theater and then stream whenever it comes out. We've all watched Homecoming a bunch of times. I know I've personally seen Black Is King many times. Her new ish not being on YouTube kinda mandates that. 

 

For the streamers, though, there's a certain gag-worthiness to the "first watch" that I think they may feel will impede the value of repeated watching. 

 

People tend to "respect" traditional movies in the sense that they won't run up and down preempting/spoiling the plot/surprises/endings (think Marvel). 

 

Assuming Bey legit has the likes of Britney Spears, Meghan Markle, Zendaya and co in the visuals. The gag and press headlines will center on that and its immediate availability in theaters. People aren't about to not reveal the "spoilers". It'll be everywhere. The "value" for the associated studio/streamer is the buzziness of the launch (and the surprises) and the sustainability of that buzz. So, from a Netflix perspective, I can see how they'd rather cut Bey a $20 million check to launch the visuals on their service from the get-go than pay to have her launch it in theaters then expect the same amount of buzz to translate to their platform for the streaming release. The former more directly benefits them using the Hive to drive up subscribers than the latter. And trust that driving subscribers is their main agenda. Audiences are fickle and attention spans are at an all-time low. So, I suspect it's less the money that she wants that's the issue, but the value streamers feel they will - or more specifically - won't get from the theater-first strategy she wants. 

 

For her, she's right to know the value of her work and make savvy moves to put herself in positions for awards she's been passed over because of her prior release strategies. 

 

It's such a catch-22, that I actually can't decide where I land on the matter. I just hope we get the visuals ASAP.

Edited September 2, 2023 by Cbreezy

[Chris]

Can someone find that post going into a DETAILED with MLA format and citations analysis of the album cover of BEYONCE?

 

We need a laugh.