2 hours ago, Tripthelight said:

I mean…have we ever ranked the music videos/visuals individually? 

We have ranked all her albums individually, all her videos per era, all the singles together, all her non singles together, all the albums together, all the videos together. We even started on her unreleased tracks but we didn’t finish that one. The only ranking left are the Renaissance videos 

 

the way they are stalking her every move now… i just know her dms are full of rabid stans spamming her with random theories 

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

but why a lizard and not a dog or miniature horse ? 

Local Hive member from the Stockholm show said @Mitsouko gotta horse díck so she eliminated horses off the list.

 

I still think that as a fan there's something exciting about stretching out the era, releasing the album, no videos, then the tour, then (apparently) the visuals.

 

We spend so much time bemoaning her choices but as far as time within the Top 50 on the Billboard 200, RENAISSANCE currently has 13 more weeks than Lemonade, 15 more than ST. And only with 2 singles, no videos, no performances, no re-release. There's no telling how different that would be had there been visuals in a timely manner (could be more, in fact, or just more sales in total) but there is something to be said for not giving it all away at once and just letting the album coast off its own greatness.

 

If we are here for charts and spreadsheets, the era didn't intrinsically need the visuals. It still doesn't. The album is at #33.

 

Beyoncé often looks to the past as a source of inspiration ("people don't make albums anymore") and perhaps she is overly nostalgic in trying to recreate that era but back in the day eras did not last 6-8 months as they tend to now, singles are released within the span of years (look at some of Janet's early eras: Control's first and last were released about 2 years apart; Rhythm Nation's were about 2.5 years apart).

I personally have no problem that visuals are delivered a year later. I've enjoyed the album immensely in the time since it was released, is perhaps my most played album ever of anyone let alone Beyoncé, still sounds/feels fresh (in part because all we have is music so there's an openness to), and still has the excitement of more to come.

 

 

Edited September 1, 20233 yr by swissman

A hor-

 

It's never about the stats and charts but the enjoyment you get out of it as a fan. 

 

To me personally waiting over a year for something to happen after you put a record out is way past ridiculous territory, though I envy those of you that have no issue with it and I'll take any tips on how to reach that state of mind. As brilliant as this album is this has been one of the most sour experiences I've had with music; waiting and waiting for months on no end just to get a music video or a performance. 

 

I'm a pretty chill guy in general, had no complaints about the ST era, quite contrary I thought it was amazing and a good medium, and outside of the FWT dvd I didn't feel like anything was missing during Lemonade also. But this has brought me to frustrations level I rarely get to in my life. 

1 hour ago, swissman said:

The tone of this base changes so quickly lol.

Last night it was "Beyoncé is asking for too much" now it's "Beyoncé thinks too small."

 

I think both can be true.

 

I think about all the years she rode Halo out as she released less mainstream hits and saw diminished returns with her work. But it was okay as long as she could somehow negotiate big bags with HBO, Netflix and Disney.

 

This caught up with her with EIL and The Gift. People began to ask "Why is everything an event and so hyped"? Many thought these projects were too pretentious. This is in comparison to Beys star power and back to back smashes from 2001-2009. Even had movies that she actually promoted. 

 

Renaissance has reclaimed a good chunk of the commercial appeal that Beyonce admittedly lost. If the rumors are true, Bey doesn't seem to realize that her price could be better justified if she'd appeal to the portion of the GP who can't afford the tour. People who can't afford it clearly like BMS, Cuff It, Alien Superatar, Heated and now Energy. Why aren't we sending songs to radio or licensing for advertisement? If you want the visuals to sell, justify the price. Get more of the GP involved. 

42 minutes ago, swissman said:

What's the issue with Tottenham vs. Wembley?

It’s more shows and more strain on her to do 5 shows than to do like 3 in a bigger stadium, perform for more people and get more money. It would be like her choosing to do like 4 shows at a baseball stadium in the US instead of 2 at a huge football stadium

24 minutes ago, swissman said:

I still think that as a fan there's something exciting about stretching out the era, releasing the album, no videos, then the tour, then (apparently) the visuals.

 

We spend so much time bemoaning her choices but as far as time within the Top 50 on the Billboard 200, RENAISSANCE currently has 13 more weeks than Lemonade, 15 more than ST. And only with 2 singles, no videos, no performances, no re-release. There's no telling how different that would be had there been visuals in a timely manner (could be more, in fact, or just more sales in total) but there is something to be said for not giving it all away at once and just letting the album coast off its own greatness.

 

If we are here for charts and spreadsheets, the era didn't intrinsically need the visuals. It still doesn't. The album is at #33.

 

Beyoncé often looks to the past as a source of inspiration ("people don't make albums anymore") and perhaps she is overly nostalgic in trying to recreate that era but back in the day eras did not last 6-8 months as they tend to now, singles are released within the span of years (look at some of Janet's early eras: Control's first and last were released about 2 years apart; Rhythm Nation's were about 2.5 years apart).

I personally have no problem that visuals are delivered a year later. I've enjoyed the album immensely in the time since it was released, is perhaps my most played album ever of anyone let alone Beyoncé, still sounds/feels fresh (in part because all we have is music so there's an openness to), and still has the excitement of more to come.

 

 

Well the success of this era is cause the GP is kinda back on board. It was clear with EIL and The Gift that Hive was jumping ship.

 

The way I see it, all it took was 2 singles being sent to radio for her to get a #1 hit and worldwide top 10 smash that's bigger than the #1. So why cut your wings and not make the era even bigger? Beys success this era seems to be pure coincidence. The success of everything surprises her and then she's dragging her feet. "Oh that Cuff It song is doing well after 4 months of ignoring it!? Guess we'll send it to radio". "Oh my album is back in the top 10 on AM!? I guess there's no need to push anything else". "Oh they actually bought Ivy Park and those perfume preorders!? Well I guess we'll keep promoting pieces that sold out with no plan to restock." 

 

This is just in contrast to artists who see a 2% uptick in streams and formulate a plan to send it to radio and other outlets to bring more attention to what they're doing. If the rumors are true, Beyonce hasn't fully justified the price she commands.

 

Edited September 1, 20233 yr by Dreajae

37 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said:

Tbh, that happens when everything you do or plan is super late because of "secrets". Team Bey hasn't realized there are other artists and sportteams on Planet Earth that also book stadiums in advance

Nah there’s no way she wouldn’t have gotten to book some of those venues. Maybe a different day than whatever artist/team had the venue booked but they would let her book them 

There’s stretching an era (SOS album per example) and then, there is Renaissance. Beyoncé’s elastic has worn out and broke few months ago  

4 minutes ago, bijonse said:

It’s more shows and more strain on her to do 5 shows than to do like 3 in a bigger stadium, perform for more people and get more money. It would be like her choosing to do like 4 shows at a baseball stadium in the US instead of 2 at a huge football stadium

I'm sure some of these venues (especially newly-constructed ones in markets with many options) also discount or waive their venue rental rate if the right artist or event comes along. 

 

I have a feeling the Tottenham and Minneapolis venues did that this tour, and would not be surprised if she switches stadiums in Vegas next go-round, as so many concert venues are coming online there.

12 minutes ago, AxelFox said:

It's never about the stats and charts but the enjoyment you get out of it as a fan. 

 

To me personally waiting over a year for something to happen after you put a record out is way past ridiculous territory, though I envy those of you that have no issue with it and I'll take any tips on how to reach that state of mind. As brilliant as this album is this has been one of the most sour experiences I've had with music; waiting and waiting for months on no end just to get a music video or a performance. 

 

I'm a pretty chill guy in general, had no complaints about the ST era, quite contrary I thought it was amazing and a good medium, and outside of the FWT dvd I didn't feel like anything was missing during Lemonade also. But this has brought me to frustrations level I rarely get to in my life. 

Took the words right out of my mouth!

 

12 minutes ago, Dreajae said:

 

 

 

Renaissance has reclaimed a good chunk of the commercial appeal that Beyonce admittedly lost. If the rumors are true, Bey doesn't seem to realize that her price could be better justified if she'd appeal to the portion of the GP who can't afford the tour. People who can't afford it clearly like BMS, Cuff It, Alien Superatar, Heated and now Energy. Why aren't we sending songs to radio or licensing for advertisement? If you want the visuals to sell, justify the price. Get more of the GP involved. 

THIS THIS THIS! Still pissed she removed BMS from radio.

4 minutes ago, trainsskyscrapers said:

I'm sure some of these venues (especially newly-constructed ones in markets with many options) also discount or waive their venue rental rate if the right artist or event comes along. 

 

I have a feeling the Tottenham and Minneapolis venues did that this tour, and would not be surprised if she switches stadiums in Vegas next go-round, as so many concert venues are coming online there.

Tottenham did that, there’s stadiums in Australia that have already publicly announced they’re doing that as incentive for her to come, im sure more would’ve done that. It makes me think she doubts her worth or something like girl you’re BEYONCÉ you should have the best stadiums in the biggest cities always. The venues will get their return on investment the hive spends real coins and even her casual fans know her show is worth it

Edited September 1, 20233 yr by bijonse

All I know is I thought for sure she would never do the gift/black is king redux and here we are. Arguably her best work and sounds like her best visuals but won’t get the push and notoriety it deserves. And that’s IF she even decides to release it. 

 

 

 

 

16 minutes ago, AxelFox said:

It's never about the stats and charts but the enjoyment you get out of it as a fan. 

 

To me personally waiting over a year for something to happen after you put a record out is way past ridiculous territory, though I envy those of you that have no issue with it and I'll take any tips on how to reach that state of mind. As brilliant as this album is this has been one of the most sour experiences I've had with music; waiting and waiting for months on no end just to get a music video or a performance. 

 

I'm a pretty chill guy in general, had no complaints about the ST era, quite contrary I thought it was amazing and a good medium, and outside of the FWT dvd I didn't feel like anything was missing during Lemonade also. But this has brought me to frustrations level I rarely get to in my life. 

Personally, I think knowing nothing was promised to us makes it a lot easier to not feel upset about. She warned us before the album was even released (via Parkwood press release) that the album intended to put music first, and the statement put a very strong emphasis on the fact that this era Beyoncé would be doing something different in regards to  the relationship between music and visuals.

On top of that, the video which many refer to as a "trailer" is in fact a teaser by name, and by output as well. It may combine sequences we presume are from other music videos, but is emphatically sequenced to match I'M THAT GIRL. It may feature scenes used primarily in other videos but this "clips from one video used in another" is something Beyoncé has done in visual both Lemonade and Black is King.

 

Plus, through both the Parkwood Halloween-pics meme (posted in November), the tour interlude (launched in May) and her own words on tour (I think in August) Beyoncé has told us there will be a bit of a wait. So I'm not upset about it, she's never suggested otherwise and in fact she's let us know that there's a wait.

 

In way, I see it almost like releasing an amazing book but not making it into a movie right away. Now's the time for us to enjoy it, for Beyoncé to tour the music and then the movie comes out and we get to see a different side to it.

10 minutes ago, carameldelight said:

THIS THIS THIS! Still pissed she removed BMS from radio.

i thought that was just an excuse stans made up 

 

anyways i don’t remember who it was but someone jokingly said "imagine if she’s doing a repeat of the BIK "rollout" a year ago and everyone laughed saying nah she would never she can’t be that dumb ? yeah, well we’re not laughing anymore 

At this point I’m okay with the era. Whatever comes comes. 

2 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

i thought that was just an excuse stans made up 

 

anyways i don’t remember who it was but someone jokingly said "imagine if she’s doing a repeat of the BIK "rollout" a year ago and everyone laughed saying nah she would never she can’t be that dumb ? yeah, well we’re not laughing anymore 

This goes beyond BIK its now been over a year and the project is still not out yet or even announced 

1 hour ago, ShouldersSideways said:

Any particular reason? Don't September issues typically release in August?

 

edit: I just looked and it's Jennifer Lawrence

Jennifer Lawrence was the cover star for the Summer issue.
My reasons: cover star hasn’t been revealed yet, day after b’day show, Nadia has worked a lot with the magazine, Tems is part of the September 2023 issue (not coverstar) and Kendrick Lamar (Bey’s industry bestie) is interviewing her. 

1 minute ago, Bicassie said:

This goes beyond BIK its now been over a year and the project is still not out yet or even announced 

yeah it’s actually a lot worse than BIK cause at least TG had 2 music videos when it came out, sure they were boring and kinda looked like an H&M commercial but at least it had something 

 

the whole "she told us music comes first" thing is cute but then don’t release a teaser for something other than the music ? don’t announce visuals coming in a press release if you want to make it 100% about the music. don’t tease us with a million stupid hints and easter eggs for over a year if nothing’s coming soon 

" Enjoy the music" only came after they decided to change the strategy weren't prepared mid BMS smashing and fans asking for visuals. Articles from billboard to NYT were discussing traditional rollout prior to that. 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/27/arts/music/beyonce-renaissance-rollout.html

 

https://www.billboard.com/music/rb-hip-hop/beyonce-renaissance-rollout-1235103589/

Edited September 1, 20233 yr by carameldelight

1 minute ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

yeah it’s actually a lot worse than BIK cause at least TG had 2 music videos when it came out, sure they were boring and kinda looked like an H&M commercial but at least it had something 

 

the whole "she told us music comes first" thing is cute but then don’t release a teaser for something other than the music ? don’t announce visuals coming in a press release if you want to make it 100% about the music. don’t tease us with a million stupid hints and easter eggs for over a year if nothing’s coming soon 

she’s atp simply being a bully and unnecessarily cruel

I'm still on a high from the show. couldn't care less about Interview magazine or year-old, rotten easter eggs about the visuals. 

20 minutes ago, swissman said:

Personally, I think knowing nothing was promised to us makes it a lot easier to not feel upset about. She warned us before the album was even released (via Parkwood press release) that the album intended to put music first, and the statement put a very strong emphasis on the fact that this era Beyoncé would be doing something different in regards to  the relationship between music and visuals.

On top of that, the video which many refer to as a "trailer" is in fact a teaser by name, and by output as well. It may combine sequences we presume are from other music videos, but is emphatically sequenced to match I'M THAT GIRL. It may feature scenes used primarily in other videos but this "clips from one video used in another" is something Beyoncé has done in visual both Lemonade and Black is King.

 

Plus, through both the Parkwood Halloween-pics meme (posted in November), the tour interlude (launched in May) and her own words on tour (I think in August) Beyoncé has told us there will be a bit of a wait. So I'm not upset about it, she's never suggested otherwise and in fact she's let us know that there's a wait.

 

In way, I see it almost like releasing an amazing book but not making it into a movie right away. Now's the time for us to enjoy it, for Beyoncé to tour the music and then the movie comes out and we get to see a different side to it.

I would agree with all of this if the time frame was not this long. Nothing was promised but there are expectations when you put put a record like this; not because we want something 'special' from her but because it's been common practice for decades to do so and she's also never done anything of the sorts before. To just put put an album and completely disappear for an entire year and then the only way to get a piece of content is by spending  hundreds of dollars to see her on tour. 

Edited September 1, 20233 yr by AxelFox