Green Posted February 16, 2022 Posted February 16, 2022 4 hours ago, brianc33710 said: Adele accomplished this feat with an amazing across multiple formats/genres, NOT by dependence on 1 or 2 genres. I've actually been working on a list of the songs with the widest audience reaches. All 5 of Adeles #1s have had support at 9+ genres in BB & 11+ genres in MB. EOM actually charted on 13 MB Top 50 format charts, and is the only song in the electronic tracking era to place on Pop, Rock, Country & Urban airplay charts at the same time. Payola may work at 1 or 2 formats but not double digits genres airplay. A real crossover smash like all her #1 hits
abrahamjmr Posted February 16, 2022 Posted February 16, 2022 3 hours ago, brianc33710 said: Adele accomplished this feat with an amazing across multiple formats/genres, NOT by dependence on 1 or 2 genres. I've actually been working on a list of the songs with the widest audience reaches. All 5 of Adeles #1s have had support at 9+ genres in BB & 11+ genres in MB. EOM actually charted on 13 MB Top 50 format charts, and is the only song in the electronic tracking era to place on Pop, Rock, Country & Urban airplay charts at the same time. Payola may work at 1 or 2 formats but not double digits genres airplay. @My Tears Ricochet and @MardinBeksloy should learn a thing or two.
GoodGuyGoneGhetto Posted February 16, 2022 Posted February 16, 2022 @brianc33710 coming THRU with the facts as per usual.
naval23 Posted February 16, 2022 Posted February 16, 2022 The way people thought this would be a cute 2 week #1 An airplay and streaming hit and no discount sales
abrahamjmr Posted February 16, 2022 Posted February 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, naval23 said: The way people thought this would be a cute 2 week #1 An airplay and streaming hit and no discount sales And her other base looking like clowns here by screaming pAYoLA11!!
Agenor Posted February 16, 2022 Posted February 16, 2022 9 hours ago, Literature said: not this having nearly the same sales as willow, atw and cardigan despite being #1 for 12 weeks Cardigan was at 100k at the end of 2020 (more than 5 months after release), the other two had lower digital sales... EOM will end up outselling the three mentioned songs combined.
Literature Posted February 16, 2022 Posted February 16, 2022 4 hours ago, Agenor said: Cardigan was at 100k at the end of 2020 (more than 5 months after release), the other two had lower digital sales... EOM will end up outselling the three mentioned songs combined. I'm talking about SPS, so streams, physicals, and digital combined, so EOM will most certainly NOT accomplish that
Agenor Posted February 16, 2022 Posted February 16, 2022 20 minutes ago, Literature said: I'm talking about SPS, so streams, physicals, and digital combined, so EOM will most certainly NOT accomplish that With Spotify numbers only available (all versions): - Cardigan - 376M + 16M + 6M = 398M - Willow - 379M + 16M + 8M + 5M + 3M = 411M - All Too Well (TV) - 220M + 68M + 13M = 301M That's 1,110M combined. - Easy On Me - 678M (after 3 months) Are you sure EOM won't accomplish that?
_Fey Posted February 16, 2022 Posted February 16, 2022 It's interesting to me that when Levitating was struggling on radio despite doing well with streaming and sales, this site was suddenly filled with people acting like radio and callouts are the factors that truly indicate what the GP thinks of a song, but when we have situations like this where EOM is dominating on radio, suddenly it's payola and "oh, it only has THAT many sales?" Just accept a song is a hit and shut up.
Literature Posted February 16, 2022 Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Agenor said: With Spotify numbers only available (all versions): - Cardigan - 376M + 16M + 6M = 398M - Willow - 379M + 16M + 8M + 5M + 3M = 411M - All Too Well (TV) - 220M + 68M + 13M = 301M That's 1,110M combined. - Easy On Me - 678M (after 3 months) Are you sure EOM won't accomplish that? EOM has sold 2.5M SPS in the US, why are you bringing up spotify streams? Edited February 16, 2022 by Literature
Agenor Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Literature said: EOM has sold 2.5M SPS in the US, why are you bringing up spotify streams? Do you have US SPS for the 3 singles mentioned? If you do and it's official BB numbers then please share them.
GreatestLoveofAll Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Literature said: EOM has sold 2.5M SPS in the US, why are you bringing up spotify streams? Can we see those other singles SPS?
Literature Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, GreatestLoveofAll said: Can we see those other singles SPS? willow crossed 2 million late last year, all too well tv has sold 1.5M by now and the regular version was certified gold (500k) in 2018 and that was before its biggest years. Although i cannot find official stats for cardigan it most certainly is on par if not higher than willow, it sold 1 million in 3 months and Taylor has incredible recurrents Edited February 17, 2022 by Literature
OrgVisual Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 3 hours ago, Agenor said: With Spotify numbers only available (all versions): - Cardigan - 376M + 16M + 6M = 398M - Willow - 379M + 16M + 8M + 5M + 3M = 411M - All Too Well (TV) - 220M + 68M + 13M = 301M That's 1,110M combined. - Easy On Me - 678M (after 3 months) Are you sure EOM won't accomplish that? The clock Payola doesn't give you LONGEVITY. Payola gives you a massive jump then fall until the callout and real demand kicks in
Literature Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Sept said: The clock Payola doesn't give you LONGEVITY. Payola gives you a massive jump then fall until the callout and real demand kicks in Not sure if you are trying to shade taylor but this is the opposite of how it works
OrgVisual Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Literature said: Not sure if you are trying to shade taylor but this is the opposite of how it works Like in your delusional mind? Of course when the check stops coming, the song will free fall. Or like when a song got stripped off of its streaming playlist payola, it would free fall cuz the organic demand is not there. It's basic logic for elementary students.
Literature Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Sept said: Like in your delusional mind? Of course when the check stops coming, the song will free fall. Or like when a song got stripped off of its streaming playlist payola, it would free fall cuz the organic demand is not there. It's basic logic for elementary students. I mean i guess in theory but most of the time a song doesnt have a big debut cuz of payola. So many songs have a lot of payola and playlisting but flop big time in the first week(s). What payola and playlisting can do is force the song to become a hit or stay stable over time, it doesnt really create demand/increase consumption that much immediately Edited February 17, 2022 by Literature
Elusive Chanteuse Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Literature said: I mean i guess in theory but most of the time a song doesnt have a big debut cuz of payola. So many songs have a lot of payola and playlisting but flop big time. What payola and playlisting can do is force the song to become a hit or stay stable over time, it doesnt really create demand/increase consumption that much immediately Why are you discussing payola?
Literature Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 Just now, Elusive Chanteuse said: Why are you discussing payola? Ask @Sept
OrgVisual Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 10 minutes ago, Literature said: I mean i guess in theory but most of the time a song doesnt have a big debut cuz of payola. So many songs have a lot of payola and playlisting but flop big time in the first week(s). What payola and playlisting can do is force the song to become a hit or stay stable over time, it doesnt really create demand/increase consumption that much immediately Gurl many many songs got radio deals for the first week and garner gigantic spins and AI in the first week, and all of those are counted for the charts. It's different from streaming that a TTH placement for example does not guarantee good streams. Radio deals, on the other hand, have an immediate effect. But in many many cases, once the deals are over, and callout starts kicking in, the song would freefall because there's no real demand. The songs being able to stay are the ones with real demand, well received by listeners and have great callouts.
Literature Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, Sept said: Gurl many many songs got radio deals for the first week and garner gigantic spins and AI in the first week, and all of those are counted for the charts. It's different from streaming that a TTH placement for example does not guarantee good streams. Radio deals, on the other hand, have an immediate effect. But in many many cases, once the deals are over, and callout starts kicking in, the song would freefall because there's no real demand. The songs being able to stay are the ones with real demand, well received by listeners and have great callouts. True. But I can't think of any examples of songs that freefell on the charts after they have huge radio
GreatestLoveofAll Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Literature said: willow crossed 2 million late last year, all too well tv has sold 1.5M by now and the regular version was certified gold (500k) in 2018 and that was before its biggest years. Although i cannot find official stats for cardigan it most certainly is on par if not higher than willow, it sold 1 million in 3 months and Taylor has incredible recurrents so by these stats how is EOM not going to surpass any of these?
Literature Posted February 17, 2022 Posted February 17, 2022 34 minutes ago, GreatestLoveofAll said: so by these stats how is EOM not going to surpass any of these? It will, but it won't pass all of them combined
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