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1 minute ago, Miss Show Business said:

What kind of "gotcha" is showing me that the majority of people literally do not care enough to vote

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2 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

I wouldn't say he's completely failing: he just signed into law a huge infrastructure bill that invests billions into infrastructure, and addresses things like the enviornment and climate.

 

It's the more progressive aspects he ran on that will be more difficult to pass. Here in the US, any legislation in the upper chamber of Congress can be "filibustered", or debated for an infinite amount of time, if it does not have a 60/40 majority. Right now, Democrats are 50/50, and two of the Democrats are from red states and tend to vote more with the conservatives. Some people want to just eliminate the filibuster: but if the conservatives decided to do that during the Trump era I'm sure there would have been an uproar.

If Biden won why are Dems underrepresented in the Senate? Because they have seperate elections for that? That’s kind of a stupid system :priceless:

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a lot can change in a few years but i don't see a path forward for democrats at this point unless the course of covid dramatically changes (and in turn, economic stability) and democrats are able to successfully message contrast between the worst of covid under trump and a return to status quo under biden. there is literally nothing else to run on as everything else ranged from muted and middling to absolute resounding failure. the rightwing fear mongering isn't resonating as much as it may seem, but the perception widely outside of political bubbles is that the biden administration is impotent and it is starting to really stick in a way that is going to even harder to shake off when republicans sweep the house and senate next year. if covid is more or less where it is now (a return to normal activity but with surges, varying restrictions, new variants, constant boosters, etc. thudding in the background), yeah, it's cooked.  

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11 minutes ago, pieceofgök said:

I’m not from America, can someone explain to me why Biden’s presidency is failing atm? And detailed if possible cause ‘he just fails on any of his promises’ is too vague to me :michael:

I recently posted a list breaking down how he’s failed to meet (or fight for) his own platform as president. Feel free to refer to it. 

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59 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

The solution is electing more Democrats who would support the proposals you want to see passed.

where does one find these democrats though? democrats are happy for manchin and sinema to take the fall and make it appear like they're all in progressive lockstep apart from those two outliers when in actuality, there's tons of regressive democrats more conservative than their constituents who will not vote for progressive bills when they can actually pass. 8 democrats (some in completely safe seats like both senators in delaware) voted no on EXTREMELY popular $15 minimum wage amendment in the covid relief bill which has high republican support and is surely not some ~leftist overreach. i mean for christ's sake, california has one of the most conservative democrats in the senate. it's sort of strange how you can't see where people's feelings of futility come from. 

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14 minutes ago, pieceofgök said:

I’m not from America, can someone explain to me why Biden’s presidency is failing atm? And detailed if possible cause ‘he just fails on any of his promises’ is too vague to me :michael:

Because he won’t cancel their student loans. :emofish:

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30 minutes ago, Jotham said:

It's almost like some people on this site WANT Biden to lose.

 

16 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

It's also telling how badly they want Biden to fail.

 

 

*1 year later*

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Of course Democrats want to win, as evidenced by their constant antagonism of the people who largely vote for them!"

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6 minutes ago, teresaguidice said:

where does one find these democrats though? democrats are happy for manchin and sinema to take the fall and make it appear like they're all in progressive lockstep apart from those two outliers when in actuality, there's tons of regressive democrats more conservative than their constituents who will not vote for progressive bills when they can actually pass. 8 democrats (some in completely safe seats like both senators in delaware) voted no on EXTREMELY popular $15 minimum wage amendment in the covid relief bill which has high republican support and is surely not some ~leftist overreach. i mean for christ's sake, california has one of the most conservative democrats in the senate. it's sort of strange how you can't see where people's feelings of futility come from. 

And even when one finds such Democrats, it seems like even winning primaries is not enough:

 

 

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18 minutes ago, pieceofgök said:

If Biden won why are Dems underrepresented in the Senate? Because they have seperate elections for that? That’s kind of a stupid system :priceless:

There's alot on our ballots. You typically vote for the President, then your US House representative, and a US Senator, in addition to your state House and Senate reps, and all local candidates, and judges, too. Depending on the state, sometimes you can vote for a straight party ticket, but not all states will allow this. Some people split their votes or don't vote for their House and Senate candidates and only vote for President. Our US House is also capped at 435 members, whereas in the early years of our History, the House would be expanded based on population. This definitely should be changed.

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43 minutes ago, teresaguidice said:

and all social media will re-platform him once he officially announces his candidacy (not that he needs a personal facebook/twitter/youtube account to be able to run ads on these platform

This will not happen. He’s permanently banned.

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16 minutes ago, Kassi said:

Because he won’t cancel their student loans. :emofish:

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36 minutes ago, Jotham said:

It's almost like some people on this site WANT Biden to lose. It's obvious that a lot of these people can afford to lose another election. They'll pretend they care about progressive causes but sit out on an election/spread falsehoods about the Democratic Party, not caring that a Republican president will bring irreparable harm to this country. Just look at how Hillary's loss affected the Supreme Court and how none of the Bernie-or-Busters want to take responsibility for it.

Of course they do. A lot of it is wrapped up in ego. And many of them wanted a certain other candidate to win. :chick2: But since Americans largely chose Biden, they’re now intent on proving why their guy was the right choice all along and everyone else was wrong. You can suss out this intent when they fluctuate from the extremes of “he campaigned that nothing would fundamentally change!” to “he campaigned on canceling student debt!”. 
 

In reality, their guy would likely have lost, and if he won, would likely have bolstered Republican’s case for keeping the Senate, spiking Republican turnout in Georgia’s Senate race. But on the off chance that their guy was put in the same position as Biden — where Biden is the head of the White House, Pelosi is the head of the House, and Manchin is the head of the Senate — they would be applying greater nuance to the reality that even FDR and LBJ couldn’t have achieved what they did at their pivotal moments in history if they had Biden's narrow majorities. :gaycat3:

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11 minutes ago, Kassi said:

Because he won’t cancel their student loans. :emofish:

 

 

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1 minute ago, Thinking Of You said:

This will not happen. He’s permanently banned.

well, first of all, no, he's not. 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/05/technology/facebook-trump-ban-upheld.html

 

facebook's "oversight board" ruled that an indefinite ban is not acceptable and gave facebook executives 6 months to decide the length of the ban, which they haven't yet. 

 

but more importantly, i can almost promise you that in the "interest of public information", they will all reinstate the reigning party nominee for president (if he were to win the nomination) on its platforms. these bans were made in the heat of january 6th aftermath which has cooled enormously. 

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7 minutes ago, Kassi said:

Of course they do. A lot of it is wrapped up in ego. And many of them wanted a certain other candidate to win. :chick2: But since Americans largely chose Biden, they’re now intent on proving why their guy was the right choice all along and everyone else was wrong. You can suss out this intent when they fluctuate from the extremes of “he campaigned that nothing would fundamentally change!” to “he campaigned on canceling student debt!”. 

can't the exact same be said of people who defend every move democrats make and fluctuate from "this is the most progressive agenda of all time" to "how can we expect progress with such razor thin margins?' 

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7 minutes ago, Breathe On Moi said:

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Don’t get me wrong, I think college debt should be dischargeable in bankruptcy so the people who are actually struggling aren’t saddled with it forever AND Biden should cancel up to $10,000 (which passed in progressive champion Pelosi’s House in the HEROES Act btw  :chick2:). But making it this end all be all issue when only a fraction of Americans are affected is very narrow-sighted.


Especially when a majority of lower income people (read: red/purple state voters) don’t even go to college. Only 15% of adults have student loan debt and those with associates degrees owe a median of 10k.

 

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Plus, most student loan debt is for graduate and postgraduate degree borrowers, who statistically make more money and largely live/work in solid blue states.

 

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They want to talk about a midterm blood bath? Just imagine how easy it would be to frame complete forgiveness as a one-time upward transfer of wealth. Especially with no institutional reforms following out of Joe Manchin/Bernie Sanders Congress. :emofish:

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16 minutes ago, Kassi said:

when they fluctuate from the extremes of “he campaigned that nothing would fundamentally change!” to “he campaigned on canceling student debt!”. 

To clarify this purposeful misinformation aimed at harming poor black voters who'd benefit most from Biden forgiving student debt: Any criticism ever made was actually (given that OP is obviously lying) more likely to be that, after months of telling lobbyists and donors in private what they wanted to hear, Biden suddenly turning around and begrudgingly taking on extremely reduced versions of progressive policy ideas once internal olls started coming in and hinting at how the race was always closer than the polls let on, there was little reason to believe he was being honest to progressives because *gestures to the ole Clinton two-positions thing*.

 

Not sure why you'd want to highlight how Biden was holding two different positions privately and publicly when that would only add even more context to the list of broken promises @Bloo made, highlighting and validating people's distrust of Biden and underscoring the distrust of him going into the election in 2020 as correct. :priceless:

 

It's wild how most people who support Biden just have this odd energy of either not knowing any poor people or holding poor people in contempt because there's this universally shared idea amongst his most enthusiastic supporters that the way to get poor people engaged in politics - that Dems truly fail at - is to either attack them ("I HOPE YOU ENJOY TRUMP IN YOUR TRAILER PARK!!!") or talking to poor voters like they're somehow stupid and as if Biden's collapsing mental state should mean we ALL should also forget his campaign promises from $2k checks to student debt forgiveness to no more inhumane deportations. :deadbanana4:

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25 minutes ago, teresaguidice said:

can't the exact same be said of people who defend every move democrats make and fluctuate from "this is the most progressive agenda of all time" to "how can we expect progress with such razor thin margins?' 

Literally everything coming out of the Biden’s White House (i.e. “the agenda”) and passing through Pelosi’s House has stalled in Manchin’s Senate. The agenda is THERE, the votes are NOT.

 

It’s such a simple concept when you accept the premise (and basic reality) that there are 3 co-equal branches of government and Biden is not the dictator of the USA, and the bully pulpit doesn’t actually exist (see: Trump, no longer President, writing angry letters about “Broken Old Crow” aka Mitch McConnell, trying to dethrone him as GOP leader). 
 

The solution? Vote in more Democrats. Encouraging people to do the opposite makes the precarious situation Dems are in… precarious-er. It literally un-solves the problem. :rip:

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6 minutes ago, Communion said:

It's wild how most people who support Biden just have this odd energy of either not knowing any poor people or holding poor people in contempt because there's this universally shared idea amongst his most enthusiastic supporters that the way to get poor people engaged in politics - that Dems truly fail at - is to either attack them ("I HOPE YOU ENJOY TRUMP IN YOUR TRAILER PARK!!!") or talking to poor voters like they're somehow stupid and as if Biden's collapsing mental state should mean we ALL should also forget his campaign promises from $2k checks to student debt forgiveness to no more inhumane deportations. :deadbanana4:

It's funny how you're making this whole narrative of Biden being out-of-touch with low-income voters and Black voters when Biden outperformed Bernie among both of those demographics. It's also interesting that you're accusing the Democrats of being elitists to these voters when progressives have been infamous for looking down upon minorities and low-income Biden supporters as "low-information" voters.

 

Also, not you using the same ableist insults about Biden that Trump voters use. :skull: That's really disgusting.

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13 minutes ago, Kassi said:

Just imagine how easy it would be to frame complete forgiveness as a one-time upward transfer of wealth. 

The Biden Admin when faced with doing an upward transfer of wealth to disproportionately white home-owners in coastal blue states:

 

Biden Admin (and supporters) when voters demand a wealth transfer that would largely* benefit working and middle class black Americans:

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3 hours ago, swiftawaywithme said:

Democraps are not getting the job done in Congress or the White House. Way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. This country needs a working class revolt. The system is broken.

Yeah, we’re in a grid lock. 

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18 minutes ago, Jotham said:

It's funny how you're making this whole narrative of Biden being out-of-touch with low-income voters and Black voters when Biden outperformed Bernie among both of those demographics.

And those voters largely cited Biden's perceived ability to beat Trump as to why they voted for him, not his political and ideological views. You're proving the concern that the base of voters who were most dedicated to Biden (due to being willing to put aside personal goals to ensure Trump got the boot) are largely showing in polls a willingness to stay home *now* due to political burnout after they got the vote out for Biden and he has not paid yet onto the debt owed to those voters.

 

The way Biden supporters don't realize y'all are just making him and yourselves look worse that you only can try to re-argue the 2020 primary through the same old talking points and demonstratively false smears. :deadbanana4: "BERNIE SANDERS!!!" is why 40% of black voters will sit at home in 2024 or even the midterms because Biden is personally ideologically against fixing one of the largest contributors to the racial wealth gap?

 

You spent years peddling classist policy to get suburbanites on your side, have FAILED to achieve that, and not can only whine and scream about "BERNIE SANDERS!!!" because the same people who put Joe in office now have no motivation to get conned again. :deadbanana4: Maybe all that money to lift the SALT cap for rich house-owners should have gone to people you're now girlboss gaslighting. :gaycat4:

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41 minutes ago, Kassi said:

Literally everything coming out of the Biden’s White House (i.e. “the agenda”) and passing through Pelosi’s House has stalled in Manchin’s Senate. The agenda is THERE, the votes are NOT.

 

It’s such a simple concept when you accept the premise (and basic reality) that there are 3 co-equal branches of government and Biden is not the dictator of the USA, and the bully pulpit doesn’t actually exist (see: Trump, no longer President, writing angry letters about “Broken Old Crow” aka Mitch McConnell, trying to dethrone him as GOP leader). 
 

The solution? Vote in more Democrats. Encouraging people to do the opposite makes the precarious situation Dems are in… precarious-er. It literally un-solves the problem. :rip:

this is a circular argument. progressives are supposedly unelectable so voters need to be "pragmatic" and vote in moderates because more democrats no matter who they are is the answer and then those democrats will not vote for the agenda and people like you will say "vote in even more progressives if you want anything to change" and we start all over. it is very easy to see why people become so (rightfully) disillusioned and "vote blue no matter who" starts to feel hollow. 

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