charts discussion HDD: Adele 833k (biggest debut of the year), Taylor 165k

[Brando]

10 minutes ago, dylanx said:

RED was seriously supply constrained in a way 30 was not- I'm sure Taylor can clear out 500k physical stock CD's + Vinyls assuming she can make that many available.

 

Don't think Republic was expecting this kind of response to RED after Fearless did just okay.

I mean Fearless already shattered all expectations. Who could have thought a reissue could pull those numbers.. but Red.. that's another story. To think that a brand new album couldn't do an extra 200k

[Eternium]

1 hour ago, AMIT said:

Some points were made, but hasn't vinyl consumption grown significantly since the last we've seen of bundles? I'm not claiming that's enough to offset the bundle boost, but seeing that the market is so volatile all around it's tricky to make sound comparisions right now, anyway. 

 

Still, I'm surprised the predictions didn't rise, though. 

Regardless of whether a comparison can be made, Adele is setting the record for first week numbers after the exclusion of bundles. As she is the ceiling and #1 for all artists, I don’t see how people can belittle her numbers.

41 minutes ago, Brando said:

The number of tracks doesn't really matter. 

There is direct correlation to track length and quantity of tracks to streaming success. There’s a reason we keep getting expanded editions and 30 track albums without bridges from streaming juggernauts.

[SpankGangsta]

Goddamn yall don't have lives 

[Brando]

7 minutes ago, Eternium said:

There is direct correlation to track length and quantity of tracks to streaming success. There’s a reason we keep getting expanded editions and 30 track albums without bridges from streaming juggernauts.

Olivia did just fine with 11 tracks.

 

There's a certain degree of benefit to having a longer album, but it's not linear. Having 30 tracks instead of 15 might be 20% more advantageous, not 100% more. There's a lot of psychology involved in assessing this. Simply pointing out at tracklist length isn't enough 

[ALA]

these #s are honestly what someone huge  can do MAX in this climate; millions of people aren't buying CDs or digital copies, vinyl has an audience and streaming won't generate mammoth #s unless you're... Drake. If someone else does 1m+ in the next year then I'll be surprised but people painting this as bad is laughable.

[monster_enriquer]

On 11/23/2021 at 1:57 AM, Orsay said:

flop after skinny

[Alyssa Edwards]

On 11/22/2021 at 11:08 PM, JustHoran said:

Even for Adele, the album has to be good. It is not a good album if you're honest. It is very boring and nothing sounds like a hit. EOM is literally the best on the album and I too thought it was a weak lead single, but after hearing the album I know it's the best one on the album.

I literally cannot deal with your tastelessness every few pages.

[Karma88]

The album is trash. It could have been released by a The Voice contestant.

[TurntUp]

5 hours ago, FAN said:

Idk why people keep asking this as if predictions are a new thing

Cause the OP looks like final numbers 

[Aethereal]

16 hours ago, TaylorFantasy said:

Is it not racist when all the reputable publishers are counting Chinese sales and you’re dismissing them just because they are cHinEsE?

 

Is the music industry not re peaking with the streaming era in the west? Why is it that the western music industry is allowed to repeak with streaming but not Chinese music industry? Does that have to do with the stereotype that Chinese are scammers? Seems awfully close to alluding to that especially with the rise in anti Asian hate.

 

And yes Mariah used to be really big her and Avril had her moments too. What does that have to do with Taylor being the biggest western act here atm and is moving a lot of units in Asia alone?

How is the Music industry re peaking in the West? It has DELINCED everywhere. Don't turn this into what it is not. You are trying to spin this into a race-war to get to inflate Taylor's sales. 

 

I said what I said. And what I said was right. 

[Zoe_]

Outstanding numbers but I am shocked. I expected more, but she is killing everyone else so....

[Eternium]

2 hours ago, Brando said:

Olivia did just fine with 11 tracks.

 

There's a certain degree of benefit to having a longer album, but it's not linear. Having 30 tracks instead of 15 might be 20% more advantageous, not 100% more. There's a lot of psychology involved in assessing this. Simply pointing out at tracklist length isn't enough 

An 11 track album doing well on streaming does not negate the correlation between a larger tracklist and increased streams. If Olivia had 18 songs, statistics show us she would have most likely had an even bigger debut.

No hypothetical can ever be proven. But we can still point out the caveat that Adele had fewer songs, thus meaning she did not benefit from the correlation between tracklist length and increased streaming consumption.

I get that ATRL always loves to see a woman fall from the top spot, but until we actually see a newly released female album coming after 30’s total units, let’s not do too much on her.

[Eternium]

17 hours ago, TaylorFantasy said:

Is it not racist when all the reputable publishers are counting Chinese sales and you’re dismissing them just because they are cHinEsE?

 

Is the music industry not re peaking with the streaming era in the west? Why is it that the western music industry is allowed to repeak with streaming but not Chinese music industry? Does that have to do with the stereotype that Chinese are scammers? Seems awfully close to alluding to that especially with the rise in anti Asian hate.

The way Taylor stans have to claim everything is racist against China so they can use unscrupulous numbers to boost their fave’s stats  

 

Obviously nobody is going to buy into the sales numbers of a market who claims they had the biggest selling digital single ever in under 24 hours and the best-selling single ever in less than a year when the rest of the world combined, during a period where sales were actually alive, couldn’t match the numbers of one tiny market during the streaming era where sales are totally dead.

 

The fact that we have to resort to fabricated sales numbers from countries with no regulation system to compete with Adele shows us just how big her album 30 is  

[T.C]

Why are y’all expecting the sales climate to be the same as it was 6 years ago? 
 

Well done Adele! 

[Bubble Tea]

2 hours ago, ALA said:

these #s are honestly what someone huge  can do MAX in this climate; millions of people aren't buying CDs or digital copies, vinyl has an audience and streaming won't generate mammoth #s unless you're... Drake. If someone else does 1m+ in the next year then I'll be surprised but people painting this as bad is laughable.

Right??? Like Adele IS the biggest album seller in the world today in the year of our Lorde 2021 - music sales decline every year, this is the new absolute peak. If something changes in the future, cool, but for now - this is more than your faves could ever dream of going forward.

[Stan.killah]

7 minutes ago, T.C said:

Why are y’all expecting the sales climate to be the same as it was 6 years ago? 
 

Well done Adele! 

Good and strong point babes 

[Virtual_Insanity]

7 hours ago, Headlock said:

Aren’t you forgetting Billie? 

I done need to name everyone i listen to. I also am a fan of Lil Nas X. 

[Virtual_Insanity]

4 hours ago, Brando said:

If Taylor released a brand new album instead of Red and didn't move the date, had decent amount of promo, and had CDs and vinyls ready to ship I'm worried that she might have snatched that #1 from 30. This is a scary thought, but seems like it's true 

 

that is an awful lot of ifs you have there. 

[Brando]

6 minutes ago, Virtual_Insanity said:

 

that is an awful lot of ifs you have there. 

None of them were unreasonable and wouldn't even require the insane promo machine that Adele had behind her. Give it up hunties, you lost. 

 

 

[georgechxng]

4 hours ago, Brando said:

The number of tracks doesn't really matter. You can always play a replay button on a shorter album. And most albums have the number of plays descending based on track order, so majority of people don't go all the way down no matter the length. 

 

Taylor's album would have probably also eaten away Adele's streams seeing how her album and catalogue keep getting more streams than Adele's. The difference to overcome would have been the physicals and she already did that with Folklore and Lover. With a full promo machine and a brand new album I think she could have come on top. It would have been a fun match up for sure and the gurls would have to shut up about comparing completely different scenarios (30 vs a rerecording, vs bundles, vs no physicals available etc etc)

That is what we call a lack of logic. If she did 600k having the entire week for herself + with heavy promo and the discussion of the week solely on the album, she wouldn't have touched 500k if she had released in the same week as Adele who had the best selling album of the year in 3 days

[Brando]

1 minute ago, georgechxng said:

That is what we call a lack of logic. If she did 600k having the entire week for herself + with heavy promo and the discussion of the week solely on the album, she wouldn't have touched 500k if she had released in the same week as Adele who had the best selling album of the year in 3 days

 

[georgechxng]

28 minutes ago, Virtual_Insanity said:

 

that is an awful lot of ifs you have there. 

swifties living of what ifs because they don't have numbers to back it up their logic - a new all time low for the most insecure fan base to ever exist. i feel bad

[Rami]

I love Taylor Swift and so proud of her achievements, but I agree Adele is a huge seller, and if Taylor released the same week as Adele she wouldn’t have got the same results she did last week. Taylor and Adele’s strategy are both different. I am so proud of both artists, Taylor second week numbers and Adele’s numbers. 

[Virtual_Insanity]

5 minutes ago, georgechxng said:

swifties living of what ifs because they don't have numbers to back it up their logic - a new all time low for the most insecure fan base to ever exist. i feel bad

It actually is mind boggling to me that people who stan for the third  biggest female artist in the world currently ( Adele, Olivia, Taylor)  - can be THIS insecure. 

Edited November 24, 2021 by Virtual_Insanity

[dylanx]

7 minutes ago, georgechxng said:

That is what we call a lack of logic. If she did 600k having the entire week for herself + with heavy promo and the discussion of the week solely on the album, she wouldn't have touched 500k if she had released in the same week as Adele who had the best selling album of the year in 3 days

uhhhh...  no one goes like "I would have bought this Taylor album any other week, but I won't as Adele also released an album"