charts discussion HDD: Adele 833k (biggest debut of the year), Taylor 165k

[skyandground]

2 hours ago, PopFan1996 said:

Saying Taylor is bigger than Adele in the US just because she has more albums makes no sense.

The best way to compare is to compare in a mathematical and fair way.  Basically to put their four biggest eras against each other ( when 30 will finish it's rollout)

Pretty sure at the end it'll be Adele > Taylor. No matter what

If you gonna assume " If Adele released a lot of albums she wouldn't be as big" then they're just imaginary assumptions with 0 proofs.

The only way to prove which one is bigger right now is to compare with what we have.

What we know for now, is whenever Adele releases an album since 21, it turns out to be bigger than Taylor's albums in the long run. Factually. It's about to be her 4th album that will do that, once again.

 

In the US:
Madonna, Barbra Streisand > Shania Twain 

Taylor Swift > Adele

 

TS > 19

21 > F

25 > SN

…….,,.

Red > 30

1989 >
reputation >
etc.

Edited November 24, 2021 by skyandground

[Elusive Chanteuse]

 

 

3 minutes ago, Ampersand13 said:

For the love of god, both women are slaying the game BOTH women are the music industry. Can we please just celebrate 30 in this thread, and Taylor in her threads? Or hell just celebrate the fact that there are at the very least two women that can outperform even the biggest male stars? Like c’mon, let’s see the forest and not just focus on which tree is bigger 

Yes. They bought outsold Kanye and Drake deservedly so that is something to celebrate.

 

[ontherocks]

Musically I don't care about Adele or Taylor. Realistically all I can say is that Taylor can be extremly satisfied how everything is going, but I can't help thinking that Adele's label and probably herself too have expected bigger nunbers for 30.

[By the Water]

25 minutes ago, Before the Dawn said:

The music industry easily getting the biggest first week of the year + since the rule change, with no gimmicks, no bloated tracklists with 30 songs, no desperate discounts and remixes 

True. Some haven't cracked 50k since the rules changed. No jockstraps = no sales

 

3 minutes ago, 4Real said:

It's so funny how people here have spent years screaming ADELE IS COMING expecting the world to fall apart as soon as she dropped her album but here we are now november 2021 and her first week sales are merely 200k higher than a re-recording from an album that already smashed 9 years ago by an artist who is supposedly leagues above her. And the same people are throwing clap emojis all around acting SO positively surprised by these numbers like we don't know they are swallowing them like they're shattered glass. You cannot make this **** up

Adele releases music for the first time in 6 years and the last time in who knows how long and they're thinking about Taylor Swift's sales? Interesting. Could it be that they're just Katy Perry, Lady Gaga and Camila Cabello () fans in disguise?

[4Real]

5 minutes ago, By the Water said:

True. Some haven't cracked 50k since the rules changed. No jockstraps = no sales

 

Adele releases music for the first time in 6 years and the last time in who knows how long and they're thinking about Taylor Swift's sales? Interesting. Could it be that they're just Katy Perry, Lady Gaga and Camila Cabello () fans in disguise?

Surely! But it's satisfying either way. Even more actually.

[brenda-walsh]

the Swifties managed to make something unrelated about Taylor yet again... shocker 

[Vespertine]

27 minutes ago, Blue Honeymoon said:

That “almost a decade old album” has remixed/re-recorded versions of all previous songs, plus 9 new songs, plus extended/deluxe version of songs which were not included in the album last time.

 

It’s basically a remix album + a brand new album in one package.

Whatever you need tell yourself, aw ☺️?

 

OT: Adele has been brought back down to earth and Adele success stans are panicking

[Redstreak]

31 minutes ago, Blue Honeymoon said:

That “almost a decade old album” has remixed/re-recorded versions of all previous songs, plus 9 new songs, plus extended/deluxe version of songs which were not included in the album last time.

 

It’s basically a remix album + a brand new album in one package.

Better Man and Babe were already released by other artists so it’s really more like 6 new songs and an extended song. An EP attached to an already 7x plat album in the same conversation as a new Adele album ?

Edited November 24, 2021 by Redstreak

[Virtual_Insanity]

1 hour ago, Hot Volcano said:

and you missed the point once again. The albums in questions haven't done "exceptionally well", they were historic, legendary, monster albums.

 

This is not a Norah Jones or a Lauryn Hill case. They sold that much in a climate where there were TON of other Diamond albums. Not the same case with Adele.

 

 

 

 

Very good point. 

[BadX]

“A re-recording album” seems to be the new “A Korean group/album”

[gozahu]

5 minutes ago, Vespertine said:

Whatever you need tell yourself, aw ☺️?

 

OT: Adele has been brought back down to earth and Adele success stans are panicking

Isn't it a re-recorded/remixed + new songs album?

Even I know that, as a NOT Taylor Swift follower.

 

And just to let you know, I don't think we are "panicking". 

We stan the most successful woman in music industry since Britney Spears, I think we are FINE. 

 

 

[style17]

6 minutes ago, Redstreak said:

Better Man and Babe were already released by other artists so it’s really more like 6 new songs and an extended song. An EP attached to an already 7x plat album in the same conversation as a new Adele album ?

its too much  they were SHRIEKING that 30 would be the last album to do 1 million and look now, I bet TS10 debuts higher than this 

[MardinBeksloy]

Just now, BadX said:

“A re-recording album” seems to be the new “A Korean group/album”

Yes cuz you can't call THE ALBUM a flop in the US for only selling 100K there, when it sold 1M in Korea.

[Walk_Away21]

50 minutes ago, Pop culture said:

30 minutes x

 

 

Not this iconic gif returning  @Reverse Warholian

[Virtual_Insanity]

1 hour ago, georgechxng said:

Yes, we can talk about the album that in 3 days has already became the best selling album of the year surpassing the girl you're trying to say it's bigger than her by the way

The fact that it is completely non commercial too. Her power is scary. 

[TaylorFantasy]

10 hours ago, Aristotle said:

Expect that they aren't real.

How is that racist?  

You seriously think that in the time of piracy and streaming era the music industry re-peaked in China?

 

I am a Mariah Carey stan do you know that she is the most successful international artist in Asia?

Is it not racist when all the reputable publishers are counting Chinese sales and you’re dismissing them just because they are cHinEsE?

 

Is the music industry not re peaking with the streaming era in the west? Why is it that the western music industry is allowed to repeak with streaming but not Chinese music industry? Does that have to do with the stereotype that Chinese are scammers? Seems awfully close to alluding to that especially with the rise in anti Asian hate.

 

And yes Mariah used to be really big her and Avril had her moments too. What does that have to do with Taylor being the biggest western act here atm and is moving a lot of units in Asia alone?

[Pleeny]

Trying to remember if Britney and actina fans were this petty 

[Virtual_Insanity]

40 minutes ago, Blue Honeymoon said:

That “almost a decade old album” has remixed/re-recorded versions of all previous songs, plus 9 new songs, plus extended/deluxe version of songs which were not included in the album last time.

 

It’s basically a remix album + a brand new album in one package.

This. Swifties trying to act as if Taylor just casually re released the original Red with no extras or fanfare are not even fooling themselves here. 

[MardinBeksloy]

2 hours ago, dylanx said:

Taylor's success truly broke the brains of OTH's

 

"she's only successful because she releases music and has fans!!!"

 

[tiagol88]

I don't understand the hate she's getting. Imagine having a #1 hit for like a month WW, a debut that's going to be close to 1.5M ww if not more and people are making fun of what's by far the biggest album release since..her previous one.

[OneAndOnly]

I can’t be the only one who finds the irony in making fun of “success stans” of Adele by… gloating about the success of another artist

 

I get that success stans get on peoples nerves though. But seeing the arguments unfold is kinda funny.

 

OT: glad people are enjoying the music, I hope we get the opportunity to see her live in the US soon 

[TaylorFantasy]

As someone who adores Adele and enjoys this album a lot (grew on me. Found it boring on the first listen).

 

Let me just say it’s a win for the swifties because all the OTHs were screaming about how aDeLe w0uLd EaSiLy sMaSh tAyLoR’s nUmBer!!1 fAk3 mUsiC iNdUStRy!!1 and then it turns out Taylor and Adele and basically on the same level. Both are commercial powerhouses.

[MardinBeksloy]

2 minutes ago, Virtual_Insanity said:

This. Swifties trying to act as if Taylor just casually re released the original Red with no extras or fanfare are not even fooling themselves here. 

Fooling what exactly? Even Taylor explained it clearly the album would have 6 re-recordings that were REJECTED from the OG album and 3 re-recordings of known songs. Still doesn't change the fact that it is basically a re-releasing of a 9 year old album, just like a 'Deluxe' version with new songs, so it shouldn't be pushing 600K first week but it did. 

[MardinBeksloy]

Just now, TaylorFantasy said:

As someone who adores Adele and enjoys this album a lot (grew on me. Found it boring on the first listen).

 

Let me just say it’s a win for the swifties because all the OTHs were screaming about how aDeLe w0uLd EaSiLy sMaSh tAyLoR’s nUmBer!!1 fAk3 mUsiC iNdUStRy!!1 and then it turns out Taylor and Adele and basically on the same level. Both are commercial powerhouses.

Why is this so hard for Adele fans to understand this? 

[Gaia]

1 minute ago, TaylorFantasy said:

As someone who adores Adele and enjoys this album a lot (grew on me. Found it boring on the first listen).

 

Let me just say it’s a win for the swifties because all the OTHs were screaming about how aDeLe w0uLd EaSiLy sMaSh tAyLoR’s nUmBer!!1 fAk3 mUsiC iNdUStRy!!1 and then it turns out Taylor and Adele and basically on the same level. Both are commercial powerhouses.

They're not on the same level. Y'all need to stop. People buying Adele albums aren't going out and buying 2-3 copies each. Taylor's album sales are incredibly inflated in the same way Kpop albums are. She actively encourages fans to buy multiple albums. Adele does not. 

 

Again, Adele just released her first album in 6 years, and has almost 10M more monthly listeners on Spotify. Taylor has released 6 albums since Adele's last. One of them being last week that apparently "smashed" so why are her Spotify listeners so low?

 

Even Dua Lipa has almost 70M monthly listeners. Taylor is turning into a fandom driven artist who occasionally gets a hit. When you account for the amount of people actually listening to her music, it's nowhere near the top. But she does know how to engage her fanbase and make money off them so good for her.