Virtual_Insanity Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, MrLovett said: No, that would be an actual word. If it was* a nickname for a group, the first letter would be capitalised. #Grammar Also, how would that make sense? BTS aren't the ones funding it, it's a small group of fans... You tried. * If it were #Subjunctive Mood #Grammar.... You tried.
stevyy Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 Thank God I'm from and in Germany... I've never heard of BTS.
dabunique Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 why don't da Olivia stans mass purchase G4U? knock dem out of first i'm like if u guys r not willing to do da same why bitch about it
Lovett Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 1 minute ago, dabunique said: why don't da Olivia stans mass purchase G4U? knock dem out of first i'm like if u guys r not willing to do da same why bitch about it I presume because people don't feel like wasting thousands of dollars on a song, for literally no reason other than to manipulate a chart. Also, "you guys should just cheat too" isn't really the argument you think it is.
Virtual_Insanity Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, dabunique said: why don't da Olivia stans mass purchase G4U? knock dem out of first i'm like if u guys r not willing to do da same why bitch about it No one cares enough to actually purchase her song. It is fuelled by playlisting and radio payola.
dabunique Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 Just now, MrLovett said: I presume because people don't feel like wasting thousands of dollars on a song, for literally no reason other than to manipulate a chart. Also, "you guys should just cheat too" isn't really the argument you think it is. its not cheating if Billboard says its ok now is it explain to me why this is fraudulent? i think if we all had da extra money we would do the same, don't act holier than thou
Swirl900 Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Virtual_Insanity said: No one cares enough to actually purchase her song. It is fuelled by playlisting and radio payola. Butter was ahead on radio when it debuted (meaning they had a paid radio deal) and is nowhere to be found on Apple Music which isn't playlist run but still clinging to the top 50 on spotify which is TTH run...
BionicWooHoo Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, dabunique said: why don't da Olivia stans mass purchase G4U? knock dem out of first i'm like if u guys r not willing to do da same why bitch about it Right? We should report those users for calling all Olivia stans poor
KillingYourCareer Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, dabunique said: its not cheating if Billboard says its ok now is it explain to me why this is fraudulent? i think if we all had da extra money we would do the same, don't act holier than thou You do realize Billboard doesn't care as long as BTS stans bring them clicks and views right? What angers me is what could have been done with all this money they collected from stans. Why can't they make a fundraising for a good, serious cause instead? What is all of THIS for? It's completely beyond me.
Lovett Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, dabunique said: its not cheating if Billboard says its ok now is it explain to me why this is fraudulent? i think if we all had da extra money we would do the same, don't act holier than thou The website sales are literally funded by a group of stans from outside the country, and purchased by a small group of fans in the country so that counts. It's a loophole. It's also fraudulently manipulating the chart. Who are you trying to fool? There is 0% chance that I would ever waste that much money purchasing a song over, and over, and over again for literally no reason. You have to be psychotic.
Dula Peep Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, MrLovett said: I presume because people don't feel like wasting thousands of dollars on a song, for literally no reason other than to manipulate a chart. Also, "you guys should just cheat too" isn't really the argument you think it is. We tried with Levitating and they blocked our purchases
dabunique Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 1 minute ago, MrLovett said: The website sales are literally funded by a group of stans from outside the country, and purchased by a small group of fans in the country so that counts. It's a loophole. It's also fraudulently manipulating the chart. Who are you trying to fool? There is 0% chance that I would ever waste that much money purchasing a song over, and over, and over again for literally no reason. You have to be psychotic. why do u think its only BTS fans who only do this? and dats fine if u don't wanna spend money but who r u or anyone else up in here to tell anyone how to spend their money
Lovett Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 1 minute ago, dabunique said: why do u think its only BTS fans who only do this? and dats fine if u don't wanna spend money but who r u or anyone else up in here to tell anyone how to spend their money You have other examples of fan groups funnelling in money from stans in other countries to this extent? Or Billboard turning a blind eye to it, because they make money off the clicks? You've seen how horribly the song is performing on every metric. This is chart manipulation, and it's fraudulent. It's also totally dumb, but that's their personal problem they should probably work through.
Ferret Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 Ok. I get that the chart is being manipulated by thousands Bts fans. But if Billboard, the official entity, has established the rules and allows this, who would you invest so much attention and time in calling Bts and the army “ frauds “ everyday and in every thread? Move on. Olivia clearly doesn’t care why would you? This is really embarrassing. She already got the #1. Chill.
drmkng Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 this is still going on strong the haters won't give up but billboard won't care about them
Lovett Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 16 minutes ago, Ferret said: Ok. I get that the chart is being manipulated by thousands Bts fans. But if Billboard, the official entity, has established the rules and allows this, who would you invest so much attention and time in calling Bts and the army “ frauds “ everyday and in every thread? Move on. Olivia clearly doesn’t care why would you? This is really embarrassing. She already got the #1. Chill. So because these fans have found a loophole to game the system, and Billboard are too scared (or desperate for the engagement) to actually do anything about it, people shouldn't care about the chart being manipulated? Where is the logic? This is a music forum and this is the chart section. Why wouldn't we be discussing this each week, as it continues unchecked?
QueenofCopyPaste Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 48 minutes ago, dabunique said: why don't da Olivia stans mass purchase G4U? knock dem out of first i'm like if u guys r not willing to do da same why bitch about it These BTS fans money week per week are from outside the U.S. (Brazil, Asia, Puerto Rico, etc.) Do you think that's representative of the US Sales?
QueenofCopyPaste Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 23 minutes ago, Ferret said: Ok. I get that the chart is being manipulated by thousands Bts fans. But if Billboard, the official entity, has established the rules and allows this, who would you invest so much attention and time in calling Bts and the army “ frauds “ everyday and in every thread? Move on. Olivia clearly doesn’t care why would you? This is really embarrassing. She already got the #1. Chill. This is a music forum. Cant handle the heat conversation? Then dont come in
Virtual_Insanity Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 41 minutes ago, KillingYourCareer said: You do realize Billboard doesn't care as long as BTS stans bring them clicks and views right? What angers me is what could have been done with all this money they collected from stans. Why can't they make a fundraising for a good, serious cause instead? What is all of THIS for? It's completely beyond me. Billboard are very dedicated to removing fradulent purchases - hence those sales were removed from Dua and she was denied the number one. The BTS sales are cleary organic and legal, otherwize they would not be counted.
QueenofCopyPaste Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 42 minutes ago, KillingYourCareer said: You do realize Billboard doesn't care as long as BTS stans bring them clicks and views right? What angers me is what could have been done with all this money they collected from stans. Why can't they make a fundraising for a good, serious cause instead? What is all of THIS for? It's completely beyond me. The illusion that "BTS" has been accepted by the US / Western public. Can guarantee you...the Grammys Awards discussion is next
dabunique Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, QueenofCopyPaste said: These BTS fans money week per week are from outside the U.S. (Brazil, Asia, Puerto Rico, etc.) Do you think that's representative of the US Sales? ma'am i get dat part but y'all actin like they da only ones who do this all stan bases do it, they jus have more money and PR is part of da US by da way
QueenofCopyPaste Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 Just now, dabunique said: ma'am i get dat part but y'all actin like they da only ones who do this all stan bases do it, they jus have more money and PR is part of da US by da way Yes they are. Who else mass buy until Week 7? Name an artist PR is not counted for Nielsen Soundscan
dabunique Posted July 7, 2021 Posted July 7, 2021 36 minutes ago, MrLovett said: You have other examples of fan groups funnelling in money from stans in other countries to this extent? Or Billboard turning a blind eye to it, because they make money off the clicks? You've seen how horribly the song is performing on every metric. This is chart manipulation, and it's fraudulent. It's also totally dumb, but that's their personal problem they should probably work through. i do actually, i've seen Doja stans and Dua stans do da same (i'm a hardcore stan of both ladies) which leads me to believe they not da only stan groups who do it
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