tournament Survivor: ATRL Edition (Season 11) | F I N A L E!

[boys]

16 minutes ago, Auburn said:

Absolutely not sweetie, you didn't decide anything. You were a cute source of information though. Prior to our conversation, me and miguel had already both identified rotunda as the top target for the both of us. You came to me and I could tell from your vibe that you would be okay with Rotunda leaving, and so I suggested that I would speak to WHTS to get him to vote out Rotunda. If I didn't speak to WHTS, it sure as hell wouldn't have been you collecting that vote since you rarely stuck your neck out like I did for votes. In addition, I just read back and I was the one who pestered lucky to vote out Rotunda an hour before the TC, I also reached out to miguel who would have changed his vote to Rotunda if he was present at that TC. So I really don't understand how I was the one who secured all the votes to get Rotunda out, yet you think it was you? I was already coming for him anyway lmao, you just helped make it easier.

 

ALSO, I would just like to point out that I saw this opportunity to get WHTS on my side and take the target off of my back from the previous round. Dessy and CBC voting against WHTS instead of me put them ahead of me in his target list, secured my safety for the next round, and built WHTS's trust in me.

 

I know YOU might not have known what I was doing in this game like you said in your interview, but I did and that's exactly why I'm sitting here in the finale.

It's the lies for me yall.

 

https://voca.ro/1ovxqjyMtF0M

[boys]

10 minutes ago, Not Like The Movies said:

Great interviews 

Thanks

[Auburn]

rewriting history thru vocaroos, that's a new one

[boys]

6 minutes ago, Auburn said:

rewriting history thru vocaroos, that's a new one

Not when the evidence is our third member in the finale 

[Auburn]

14 minutes ago, boys said:

It's the lies for me yall.

 

https://voca.ro/1ovxqjyMtF0M

So here I am checking my DMs again so I have PROOF unlike you, I spoke to lucky 1 hour and 25 minutes before the TC that Rotunda went home. He hadn't voted yet, therefore his vote was not secured by you, and I bugged him until he told me he voted for Rotunda. 

 

Rotunda was already my target for that round and he never would have left if I didn't secure lucky and WHTS's votes in addition to yours. You spent the second half of the game waiting for me to run around and secure votes because you never wanted to talk about anything with other people until I had a majority on board. What you're failing to realize is that just because I didn't tell you every detail of my decision making doesn't mean I didn't do it. I acted hesitant and undecided with you not because I actually didn't know what I want, but because things I had said to you came back to me from other people. From then on I stopped disclosing certain things to you. 

[boys]

Just now, Auburn said:

So here I am checking my DMs again so I have PROOF unlike you, I spoke to lucky 1 hour and 25 minutes before the TC that Rotunda went home. He hadn't voted yet, therefore his vote was not secured by you, and I bugged him until he told me he voted for Rotunda. 

 

Rotunda was already my target for that round and he never would have left if I didn't secure lucky and WHTS's votes in addition to yours. You spent the second half of the game waiting for me to run around and secure votes because you never wanted to talk about anything with other people until I had a majority on board. What you're failing to realize is that just because I didn't tell you every detail of my decision making doesn't mean I didn't do it. I acted hesitant and undecided with you not because I actually didn't know what I want, but because things I had said to you came back to me from other people. From then on I stopped disclosing certain things to you. 

Sweetie me and lucky were on CALL literally talking about our alliance and our relationship in the game when it happened. He told me you had came to him about voting Rotunda and he literally didn't change his vote until I talked to him and he confirmed with me that I was the one who initiated the whole thing and we got off the call after he changed his vote. 

 

You arguing about this but the person who went home KNOWS it was me so I have no idea why you're wasting your time. You didn't secure anything for me ever I never waited on you to tell me "Okay its a go we have the votes" EVER. Our bond wasn't that strong for me to be relying on you to do any of that for me. Rounds where you guys were voting for Sanguine I was throwing hanky votes out there just to be messy. Yall didn't get Sanguine voted out until I ACTUALLY voted for him the round he got sent home. 

 

You literally use the :auburn: emote on discord because of a vote I made. Nobody was following your lead I don't know ANYONE who was.

 

You didn't secure WHTS vote he was already a target why would he NOT go for Rotunda after I'm the one who came to him and told him someone was after him. You think YOU convinced WHTS to do the obvious thing for himself? No... I literally told him the truth point blank and it was clear what he was going to do.

 

You may have THOUGHT about going for Rotunda but you didn't initiate anything that round. How can you secure MY vote if I'm the one who came to you to deliver you the information? Do you think I delivered it just for the fun of it? 

[Auburn]

23 hours ago, Rotunda said:

@Auburn I would be remiss to not highlight your strong challenge performance during the pre-merge and post-merge, and your ability to navigate some precarious situations, but I must say the mid-merge boot order did not really work in your favor. I feel like the eliminations of subtler players left you with a lot of big threats you'd need to beat at the end. Was this your ideal Final 3? If not, what was? Please explain your reasoning for picking the three players you did, and highlight how you either a) helped ensure the creation of that F3 or b) rebounded after realizing that F3 was not possible. 

I'm going to say that I actually think the order worked well in my favor. Yes there were some bigger targets but I had confidence in my abilities to maneuver my way out of tough situations if I needed to. I decided to keep boys as an ally because turning on him would have resulted in losing some of lucky's trust, which I needed to keep at least until our idol was used (although I never wanted to betray lucky, and in the end I didn't). I was hesitant to come for miguel because I knew he had the wakasu idol, so I knew any vote for him would have to be secretive if I successfully wanted to get him out. Instead, I decided to team up with him. Keeping lucky + boys and miguel + whts on opposite sides left me in the middle being able to receive information from both sides. Finally, I decided to target WHTS in top 6 vote because I knew I was the deciding vote and I wanted to isolate miguel since I couldn't get him out due to immunity. miguel was distrusting of boys and lucky, and voting out WHTS would ruin his trust with me, but I was close to CBC and knew he would likely turn to him as an ally, who as a result gave me info from miguel. 

 

My ideal top 3 would have been me and lucky and CBC, but the rushed nature of the live TC left me stuck with a vote for miguel after I tried to change my vote to boys at the last second but it was too late. I rebounded from this by focusing on winning the next two challenges to secure my safety because I think would have been in the jury right now if I didn't.

 

I guess I'm trying to show here that I don't want to solely focus on your elimination as my only selling point, since I feel like I have made more moves than just that. 

[Auburn]

21 minutes ago, boys said:

Sweetie me and lucky were on CALL literally talking about our alliance and our relationship in the game when it happened. He told me you had came to him about voting Rotunda and he literally didn't change his vote until I talked to him and he confirmed with me that I was the one who initiated the whole thing and we got off the call after he changed his vote. 

why would lucky care if you initiated it? He already knew about it from me, I already told him I had your vote and WHTS.  anyway we could go back and forth about this all day since it's obvious we both had some impact over lucky's vote

 

25 minutes ago, boys said:

You arguing about this but the person who went home KNOWS it was me so I have no idea why you're wasting your time. You didn't secure anything for me ever I never waited on you to tell me "Okay its a go we have the votes" EVER. Our bond wasn't that strong for me to be relying on you to do any of that for me. Rounds where you guys were voting for Sanguine I was throwing hanky votes out there just to be messy. Yall didn't get Sanguine voted out until I ACTUALLY voted for him the round he got sent home. 

 

I didn't vote out Sanguine until the round he went home either  Jay-Z went home because me, dessy and miguel voted for him, Stevie went home because of my vote and Dessy's. Our 3-person alliance was running the game up to that point so no one cares about your random votes that had no influence over the game.   

 

29 minutes ago, boys said:

You literally use the :auburn: emote on discord because of a vote I made. Nobody was following your lead I don't know ANYONE who was.

what does this have to do with being deserving of winning the game   

 

30 minutes ago, boys said:

You didn't secure WHTS vote he was already a target why would he NOT go for Rotunda after I'm the one who came to him and told him someone was after him. You think YOU convinced WHTS to do the obvious thing for himself? No... I literally told him the truth point blank and it was clear what he was going to do.

 

You may have THOUGHT about going for Rotunda but you didn't initiate anything that round. How can you secure MY vote if I'm the one who came to you to deliver you the information? Do you think I delivered it just for the fun of it? 

This doesn't make any sense. WHTS was not a target, Rotunda only said he was to turn him against me and vice versa. So you telling him that someone was after him was not the point blank truth. I was the obvious target that round due to my vote nullifier, which you tried to con me into using by not working to get votes, but I didn't because I secured the votes myself to not need it.

 

 

[Auburn]

10 hours ago, Dessy said:

@AuburnYou made the tough decision to work with me and Miguel after the Movies' elimination. Knowing what you know now, do you regret that decision? As in do you think you could've worked more closely with someone else? Or was it the best way forward for you at the time?  

Also, what was the thought process for using your vote nullifier when you did? 

I do not regret that decision one bit. I think we worked great as an alliance in the first half of the game, especially when all 3 of us were on the Wakasu 2.0 tribe and controlled the votes if we didn't receive immunity. With our challenge wins during that period and our elimination of Harmonizer it really felt like we were in control. We also were responsible for the eliminations of Jay-Z and Stevie because we foresaw Sanguine's idol uses. Overall, we worked really well together and I think it was the best way forward at the time.

 

Although that round was my last chance to use it, there was still strategy behind my usage of the vote nullifier. Me and CBC both knew about each other possessing the items, however, we pretended like we didn't know. We planned to make it seem like I found out about his doubler, so I canceled it and it would look like we were at odds with each other. This would convince the now alone miguel that we weren't working together and that he could trust CBC the most out of everyone left, who would in turn tell me whatever miguel told him. This was the point in the game where I most felt like I knew everything that was going on, since I was receiving information from every single person in the game. 

[Auburn]

that's enough for tonight, I need to relax  

[boys]

8 minutes ago, Auburn said:

This doesn't make any sense. WHTS was not a target, Rotunda only said he was to turn him against me and vice versa. So you telling him that someone was after him was not the point blank truth. I was the obvious target that round due to my vote nullifier, which you tried to con me into using by not working to get votes, but I didn't because I secured the votes myself to not need it.

It was the point blank truth Rotunda wasn't throwing names out there with the sole goal to turn you against each other. That would mean Rotunda KNEW I'd go and tell the two of you what was up and clearly he didn't. I don't know why you think you think he would need to turn you guys against each other when WHTS already wanted you out so that makes zero sense at all.

 

8 minutes ago, Auburn said:

what does this have to do with being deserving of winning the game  

No one said it was the reason someone should win the game my point was you said I was waiting for you to secure votes as if I'm following your lead. No one was waiting on hands and knees for you to make decisions in this game ever. 

 

8 minutes ago, Auburn said:

I didn't vote out Sanguine until the round he went home either  Jay-Z went home because me, dessy and miguel voted for him, Stevie went home because of my vote and Dessy's. Our 3-person alliance was running the game up to that point so no one cares about your random votes that had no influence over the game.  

Your alliance members didn't even include you in the vote to go after NLTM if i remember correctly you were out of the loop on that. Your alliance was literally going to tribal for about 3 rounds in a row? The first half of the game your tribe was coming up short and losing the challenges and you had someone who quit in the first round, someone who had a meltdown the second round in his confessionals at the judges and gave up and then the third time your "alliance" didn't even include you in that vote.. so it's not like you were off making some major game moves. You were dealt a pretty easy hand. You had people that you KNEW on your tribe from the gaymers server.

 

You then went into the first tribe swipe to a team of 5 in which your team had the majority alliance once again luck was on your side and you were dealt a good hand. 

 

When it comes to Stevie going home congrats that might be one move you can claim even though people tell me you weren't even making the calls for that.

 

11 minutes ago, Auburn said:

why would lucky care if you initiated it? He already knew about it from me, I already told him I had your vote and WHTS.  anyway we could go back and forth about this all day since it's obvious we both had some impact over lucky's vote

Because lucky wasn't going to follow you and vote with you 

 

You didn't even secure WHTS vote he was already voting with me when I came and told him that Rotunda was going after him. Lucky didn't vote for Rotunda until I talked to him about it. It was not your move to make it was never in your hands. 

[luckystrike]

whewwwww what the hell did I walk into  I’ll take the time to read everything and answer all questions  tomorrow 

[Auburn]

Okay so I guess these are sorta my final words on this situation. 

 

It's obvious that both boys and I feel like we were responsible for Rotunda's elimination, and so the truth likely falls somewhere in between. Ultimately it will be up to the jury to make up their minds on this, Rotunda wouldn't have been eliminated without every vote that was cast by the 4 of us. What I would like to point out though is that I received only one vote against me that round (from miguel's supposed bootlist vote), while WHTS received 3, because I had aligned myself with those people. The day Sanguine left he said to me "looks like you're in control now" and then the next day miguel came to me because he said his life in the game was in my hands because I had the numbers to get him voted out. We then decided to use our feud as a disguise and work together to target Rotunda the next round (May 27th, which was BEFORE immunity for that round was even given, and BEFORE boys had ever approached me about targeting him). boys was not pulling my strings, his information was simply a golden opportunity to get exactly what I already wanted. The vote for Rotunda would have been 5-3 if miguel had been able to cast his vote on the day of the TC. 

 

[boys]

Well it's nice that he's living in a world of "WOULD HAVE"  but in reality... WHTS said he was voting with me already and I got lucky to be the 4th vote we needed to secure the elimination.

 

 

[Dessy]

V interesting 

[Rotunda]

My impact tbh

[Rotunda]

My impact tbh

[luckystrike]

whewwwwwww chile okay... so you both have quuuuuuite wrong points of view when it comes to Rotunda's vote   so here comes the truth of it all, I checked timestamps and I checked facts, here's the situation from my point of view, AKA the vote that got Rotunda out. None of y'all "pushed" me to vote for him, that's what you might think you did, but if I wanted WHTS out that round instead, it would've been thanks to me, I had the deciding vote that round which is something none of you had. Every TC after gathering information I always made a potential voting tally to predict how the vote would go and where it was better for me to lean towards, which is part of my strategy that I already revealed in my interview about always looking at every single detail. I obviously knew Rotunda was a bigger threat which is why I ended up voting for him so... this is the timeline of what ACTUALLY happened, all cleared up: Auburn tells me that Rotunda wants him or whts out, which I already knew because I had already talked to Rotunda about that, to which then Auburn tells me he has gathered enough votes to get Rotunda out, those being whts, boys, him and he assumed I'd jump right on and be the 4th vote. I decided to investigate by myself as I always did and I messaged both boys and whts asking them who they were voting for to which they BOTH replied they were voting for Auburn, so I assumed "well Auburn is being blindsided" but I decided not to say anything because some things are better to just keep to yourself and just sit back and watch chaos happen :kii6: Since I had talked to Rotunda and CBC too and they both told me they were voting for WHTS, I looked at a tally of 2 votes for WHTS, 2 votes for Auburn, 1 for Rotunda and miguel's unknown vote since he was lost in the woods. I decided to vote for WHTS since I honestly felt like he was a bigger target than Auburn and I also didn't want to vote for Auburn and ruin any good bond we had. Then about an hour or so before TC, Auburn messaged me to ask me if I had sent my vote for Rotunda, to which I lied and said I hadn't when I had already sent my vote but for whts, since according to what boys and WHTS had told me, the only person voting for Rotunda was Auburn. A few moment later boys DM's me wanting to talk to me and he starts telling me about how he'd never vote for me even if we didn't always vote together or told each other everything, then we had a voice call and he hinted that he was actually voting for Rotunda, I then asked him directly if he was and if anyone else was voting for him too and when he confessed that both whts and him were also voting for Rotunda, was when I decided to switch my vote for Rotunda last minute since I considered Rotunda was a bigger threat than whts and I wasn't gonna let that opportunity go to waste if it was actually happening  so basically none of the two pushed me to do anything, even after knowing boys and whts were voting for Rotunda, if I wanted whts out that round instead, I would've kept my vote and he would've gone thanks to me, y'all may have orchestrated this, and you can keep fighting about who started it first I don't care :kii1:, but at the end of the day I had the deciding vote  and if it were not for me, your 3 votes would've been useless. Now, of course boys was the one who told me the truth about his vote because he trusted me enough to do so, but like I said, he never pushed me to vote for Rotunda, that was a decision that I took because I have common sense and I knew Rotunda being out was going to be better for me in the long run since he was a very strong contender for the finale and he could plot against me at any point if I kept him any longer. I could've easily told boys that I was keeping my vote for whts if I wanted to, and there's nothing they could've done about it  so that's what actually happened, I didn't orchestrate anything, but at the end of the day, the choice was in my hands!

[boys]

5 minutes ago, luckystrike said:

Now, of course boys was the one who told me the truth about his vote because he trusted me enough to do so, but like I said, he never pushed me to vote for Rotunda, that was a decision that I took because I have common sense

Oop just to be clear in all my posts I never said I pushed you to vote him I actually gave you your props and said I talked to you about it and you decided to change your vote

[luckystrike]

On 6/15/2021 at 11:36 PM, Rotunda said:

@luckystrike I think you did an excellent job both in challenges and in managing to pick the right time to come alive this season. With that said, a lot of the jurors have questions about your social and strategic acumen. In what cycles do you think your social or strategic abilities changed the outcomes of the vote? 

Thank you! Well first of all like I just explained in my last post, one of those cycles was when you got voted out kii. Another time would be when 305 got voted out, he targeted me and tried to make my tribe mates switch on me but I had already formed an alliance with Stevie and boys the previous round for the Bethenny vote so it was over for him, another one would be maybe when CBC got voted out, miguel could have easily targeted me with CBC, I don't know why miguel just randomly threw his vote on me and CBC didn't, I don't know if CBC told miguel he'd vote for me but ended up switching to boys because he felt like he could work with me rather than boys? Or maybe just CBC saw boys as a bigger threat, I don't know what happened but I feel like I talked my way out of being targeted that round by having good social bonds with everyone in the top 5, even though I played an idol and it wouldn't have mattered lmao. I wasn't a big orchestrator, as I've said already my strategy revolved more around being sneaky and gathering info on the votes and analyzing what I thought it was best for me in the long run. 

[luckystrike]

On 6/16/2021 at 12:53 PM, Dessy said:

@luckystrikeYou had an impressive strings of challenge performances, especially toward the end. It did seem that you managed to do this while simultaneously not being actively perceived as one of the greatest threats. Do you think this was too late in the game for this type of performance (especially going off of Rotunda's question, it didn't seems like you had a visible social/strategic game)? Did you ever think there were a moment where you could've made a big move?

Thank you! I'm kinda confused by your question so I'll give you two answers  If you mean too late in the game to be perceived as a threat and make a big move, that was really never my strategy, I knew people only saw me as a threat when it came to the challenges, I was always very careful with my strategic/social game, which is why maybe some people thought I didn't have one, I certainly did and I clearly had a great one because I'm in the finale, I always tried to very carefully divert the attention from my name when TC's came, I'd check in with people that were not my allies but people who I felt trusted me and I made sure they never felt like they had to switch on me if that makes sense? And the only time I could've made a big move was when I tried to target miguel with auburn, which ended up not happening because we couldn't gather enough people to vote with us, which led to him finding out and me losing his trust and probably being a new name on his target list, so I decided to drop that and instead focus on getting rid of people who trusted him more than me in case he ever tried to target me back.

 

And for the second interpretation to your question, if you mean too late in the game to perform well in the challenges? Absolutely not, I think that my immunity wins came in the right time, even though they made the target on my back bigger, I knew how to manage that risk by having a social game good enough to avoid being a target, so I never let my late great performance in the challenges be a problem for me. 

[Rotunda]

It’s the obsession for me 

[Dessy]

3 minutes ago, luckystrike said:

Thank you! I'm kinda confused by your question so I'll give you two answers  If you mean too late in the game to be perceived as a threat and make a big move, that was really never my strategy, I knew people only saw me as a threat when it came to the challenges, I was always very careful with my strategic/social game, which is why maybe some people thought I didn't have one, I certainly did and I clearly had a great one because I'm in the finale, I always tried to very carefully divert the attention from my name when TC's came, I'd check in with people that were not my allies but people who I felt trusted me and I made sure they never felt like they had to switch on me if that makes sense? And the only time I could've made a big move was when I tried to target miguel with auburn, which ended up not happening because we couldn't gather enough people to vote with us, which led to him finding out and me losing his trust and probably being a new name on his target list, so I decided to drop that and instead focus on getting rid of people who trusted him more than me in case he ever tried to target me back.

 

And for the second interpretation to your question, if you mean too late in the game to perform well in the challenges? Absolutely not, I think that my immunity wins came in the right time, even though they made the target on my back bigger, I knew how to manage that risk by having a social game good enough to avoid being a target, so I never let my late great performance in the challenges be a problem for me. 

I was definitely was looking for the first interpretation but both of these answers help. 

[Stevie]

Not this thread giving Eliza lately.

 

 

Anyway congrats to you all! I'm not sure I have time to read everything before these questions are due, so sorry if some of this has already been discussed.

 

@Auburn Was it really your idea to vote for me the round I got eliminated? I heard it was miguel's idea and you and Dessy were just following his direction. Also, after I was eliminated you said you regretted it a bit. The next round you apparently started targeting miguel. Why the sudden change of heart and can you explain the dissolution of your alliance with Dessy and miguel more?

 

@boys Why did you choose the targets you did? Was it because you wanted to keep only the people who were involved in conflict like yourself? Aside from the Rotunda vote, I'm curious to know what other votes you feel you can take credit for. What happened with the WHTS vote?

 

@luckystrike You played a good under the radar game, always avoiding being a target. However, some criticism I've seen of you is that you were a follower. How would you respond to that? Also, was there ever a time you went against boys' ideas and plans?

Edited June 18, 2021 by Stevie

[luckystrike]

31 minutes ago, Stevie said:

@luckystrike You played a good under the radar game, always avoiding being a target. However, some criticism I've seen of you is that you were a follower. How would you respond to that? Also, was there ever a time you went against boys' ideas and plans?

Thank you for asking this! I'm really glad you did since I feel like this is a general impression that the jury has of me so I wanna be able to clear it all up. I can totally understand why people thought I was a follower, as I've mentioned already, my strategy was not based a lot on orchestrating, although I did get into it more towards the end since I knew I got to a point where my strategy needed to evolve again, I kind of stepped more into the forefront the last 3 tribal councils to further avoid any targeting against me, because with 6 people left, the chances of becoming a target were obviously bigger. Now, every time I "followed" someone, I always made sure it was beneficial for me, I kept my relationships strong and always had in mind what the votes could cause for me in the future, I never voted just to be a number for someone else, all of my votes had a reason and I surely never let anyone manipulate me or anything of the sorts, and if someone ever felt like they manipulated me, then my strategy ended up being smarter because I'm here! The fact that I was also literally never a target was also essential here, I like... never felt the need to orchestrate on my own since no one was against me? Instead I focused on working with people who I believed were gonna be beneficial for me in the long run to make sure I had more people on my side in case I was ever targeted, that's why maybe people could've gotten the impression that around the time the merge started I was following miguel too much maybe? But I was very conscious of his ways with everyone and that's also why I dropped him when I did, because what he wanted to do no longer aligned with what was beneficial for me, he wanted to vote Auburn out and I didn't since he had the other half of the idol I used in Top 5, so I switched my focus to other alliances because you also have to know who to side with. 

 

And to answer the second question, yes there was, I can remember when Jay-Z got voted out, we were voting for Sanguine but I switched my vote last minute because we found out he had an idol and miguel, who was a big ally of mine back then, was at risk and I didn't want him out yet. Just like I said earlier, being able to have the deciding vote in situations like these was a crucial part of my strategy that I don't think anyone else ever thought of, they just campaigned, gathered votes and hoped for the best, I waited, looked at all my options and waited to see if I had the chance of making the TC go as much in my favor as I could. Had I wanted miguel out by then I would've just risked it and kept my vote on Sanguine to let it be a tie between Jay-Z and miguel. Also in the WHTS vote, we didn't vote together, Auburn and I were choosing between CBC and WHTS and ended up going for WHTS since he was closer to Miguel, so I talked to boys and tried to convince him to vote for WHTS since we wanted to take power away from miguel at the final stages, he said he didn't care who went between those 2 and ended up saying he'd vote for WHTS too, but he ended up voting for CBC even though WHTS ended up leaving, I guess because he had a good bond with WHTS and didn't want to vote for him which I completely understand, so that time he went against my plans if that also counts, we didn't always vote together like it might've seemed.