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Is Max Martin a MJ, Madonna-level legend in the industry?


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2 minutes ago, MingYouToo said:

I just meant to explain parallels. George was to the Beatles what Quincy was to MJ and Max is to our modern day popgirls.

I don't know nothing bout The Beatles or Elvis TBH.

 

I grew up in a Black household lololol

 

I can tell U about Motown all day though!

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1 hour ago, halcyonday said:

maybe it'll be the biggest song for the generation that thought BOMT was the biggest :gaycat2:

Every generation agrees that BOMT is the biggest:clap3:

 

24 minutes ago, MingYouToo said:

the unnecessary fuming dddd ok girl we know BOMT is a classic 

More like the unnecessary lying from you:gaycat3:

Don’t be lying like that gurl cause you will get called out on pathetic dumb **** like that:lakitu:

 

 

38 minutes ago, Ayanaa said:

Agreed. She is some levels above them.

I screamed. But facts!:clap3:

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33 minutes ago, Ayanaa said:

Agreed. She is some levels above them. 

 

Mariah stans are always seething when they see M's name mentioned (will never happen to Mariah btw) with the biggest music legends (and she is certainly one of them). Ever thought about why M ALWAYS get mentioned with those legends? Because it's COMMON KNOWLEDGE. No other female artist is on M's level. Just accept it and let it go. 

That tangent about MC was cute but was it supposed to offend me? 🙄

 

Oh pls U wish Madonna was on their level.   Madonna has become an embarrassment nowadays and is ruining her legacy with her thirsty ridiculous antics and that's just 1 reason why she'll never be on the same level as those 3.

 

1 She doesn't have the talent, 2 she'll never be as respected as them 3 are, not even in 100 yrs time, 3 she's an awful narcissistic person and 3 she just doesn't have the talent to measure up against such greats!

 

Now U saying what about MC? :alexz2:

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15 minutes ago, Ocboy85 said:

That tangent about MC was cute but was it supposed to offend me? 🙄

 

Oh pls U wish Madonna was on their level.   Madonna has become an embarrassment nowadays and is ruining her legacy with her thirsty ridiculous antics and that's just 1 reason why she'll never be on the same level as those 3.

 

1 She doesn't have the talent, 2 she'll never be as respected as them 3 are, not even in 100 yrs time, 3 she's an awful narcissistic person and 3 she just doesn't have the talent to measure up against such greats!

 

Now U saying what about MC? :alexz2:

You clearly have no room to give an informed opinion on quality music, considering you proudly admitted you don't know anything about The Beatles and Elvis Presley and you stan a woman who is less acclaimed than the likes of Lizzo and Carly Rae Jepsen.

 

Your uneducated opinion on Madonna's talent and status are completely subjective considering she remains the best-selling, the most-acclaimed and the highest-grossing female artist in history for a reason and based on comprobable metrics. In comparision, your fave - who is supposedly more respected - struggles to sell out a dusty Vegas casino, even as Lionel Ritchie's opening act. Ah, blissful ignorance...

 

OT: Yes, Max Martin is the most important producer of the millenium. From Britney Spears to The Weeknd, he's the most reliable hitmaker in pop.

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4 minutes ago, Wildcat said:

You clearly have no room to give an informed opinion on quality music, considering you proudly admitted you don't know anything about The Beatles and Elvis Presley and you stan a woman who is less acclaimed than the likes of Lizzo and Carly Rae Jepsen.

 

Your uneducated opinion on Madonna's talent and status are completely subjective considering she remains the best-selling, the most-acclaimed and the highest-grossing female artist in history for a reason and based on comprobable metrics. In comparision, your fave - who is supposedly more respected - struggles to sell out a dusty Vegas casino, even as Lionel Ritchie's opening act. Ah, blissful ignorance...

 

OT: Yes, Max Martin is the most important producer of the millenium. From Britney Spears to The Weeknd, he's the most reliable hitmaker in pop.

I know enough to know that Madonna isn't on the same level as MJ, The Beatles or Elvis and that's why you're so bothered. :alexz2:

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30 minutes ago, Ocboy85 said:

I know enough to know that Madonna isn't on the same level as MJ, The Beatles or Elvis and that's why you're so bothered. :alexz2:

Keep saying it, maybe you'll convince some hope someday. 

 

1 hour ago, Ocboy85 said:

That tangent about MC was cute but was it supposed to offend me? 🙄

 

Oh pls U wish Madonna was on their level.   Madonna has become an embarrassment nowadays and is ruining her legacy with her thirsty ridiculous antics and that's just 1 reason why she'll never be on the same level as those 3.

 

1 She doesn't have the talent, 2 she'll never be as respected as them 3 are, not even in 100 yrs time, 3 she's an awful narcissistic person and 3 she just doesn't have the talent to measure up against such greats!

 

Now U saying what about MC? :alexz2:

You will keep suffering every time Madonna gets mentioned with them. Mentioning Madonna with Beatles/Elvis/MJ is already the standard norm, and she hasn't even d-worded yet.

 

Queen of Pop did that without molesting children (MJ), without being named the biggest copycat/thief in music history (Elvis), without always the same repetitive boring stuff (The Beatles). 

 

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yes, i was just thinking  about how max IS pop music as we know it since 1998.

 

hes def on the level and the true king after MJ. 

 

I'd also say hes the male mariah. Written and produced countless of CLASSIC #1 smashes in 4 decades

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1 hour ago, Ayanaa said:

Keep saying it, maybe you'll convince some hope someday. 

 

You will keep suffering every time Madonna gets mentioned with them. Mentioning Madonna with Beatles/Elvis/MJ is already the standard norm, and she hasn't even d-worded yet.

 

Queen of Pop did that without molesting children (MJ), without being named the biggest copycat/thief in music history (Elvis), without always the same repetitive boring stuff (The Beatles). 

 

But nobody mentions Madonna name in the same sentence with MJ, Elvis & The Beatles in the real world sis. 😂

 

I live in reality and not ATRL fandom la la land.

 

I could name a host of things that Madonna lacks in but we'll be here all day and night. 

 

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No. And I won't seriously consider him to be in the same arena as the other two until he gets:

 

- Emmy (Outstanding Original Music & Lyrics)

- Grammy (Producer Of The Year)

- Oscar (Best Original Song)

- A Tony Award for cast recording or production.

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Yes. He’s hugely respected + also in demand, of course the GP won’t know him since producers don’t really get the lime light but I’m sure he’s a giant legend inside the industry. 

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56 minutes ago, trainsskyscrapers said:

No. And I won't seriously consider him to be in the same arena as the other two until he gets:

 

- Emmy (Outstanding Original Music & Lyrics)

- Grammy (Producer Of The Year)

- Oscar (Best Original Song)

- A Tony Award for cast recording or production.

He has that one already.

OT: In absolute terms no, but relatively speaking definitely. He is the biggest music producer ever.

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52 minutes ago, Feanor said:

He has that one already.

OT: In absolute terms no, but relatively speaking definitely. He is the biggest music producer ever.

He needs all four as a non-artist to be considered with MJ and Madonna in my opinion. At the moment, the only producer I would put next to them is Quincy Jones. 

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2 hours ago, trainsskyscrapers said:

No. And I won't seriously consider him to be in the same arena as the other two until he gets:

 

- Emmy (Outstanding Original Music & Lyrics)

- Grammy (Producer Of The Year)

- Oscar (Best Original Song)

- A Tony Award for cast recording or production.

Why does he need a Tony, Oscar, or Emmy? Those aren’t even music centered awards :skull:

 

That’s like saying an actor needs a Grammy. It’s easy for an actor to win a Tony, Oscar, and Emmy because those are all acting centered awards. 
 

And most of those actors who do win a Grammy, don’t even win it for music. They win it for Best Spoken Word or Best Comedy :dies:

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, brainmaniac said:

Why does he need a Tony, Oscar, or Emmy? Those aren’t even music centered awards :skull:

 

That’s like saying an actor needs a Grammy. It’s easy for an actor to win a Tony, Oscar, and Emmy because those are all acting centered awards. 
 

And most of those actors who do win a Grammy, don’t even win it for music. They win it for Best Spoken Word or Best Comedy :dies:

 

 

 

Max Martin isn't an ACTOR. He's a MUSICIAN. For A Non-Singing musician who writes/produces for EVERYONE, winning those 4 specific, music-based awards at the Big 4 ceremonies combined with his sales as a writer/producer and his chart catalog are the ONLY way I would ever include him in a conversation with MJ and Madonna regarding level of legend. As I said before, EGOT Quincy Jones is the only producer at an MJ, Beatles, Madonna level for me.

 

It's like you came to argue and completely forgot what the thread topic was.

 

Here. I'll refresh your memory:

Is Max Martin a MJ, Madonna-level legend in the industry?

 

It's a lot for an artist to not only put themselves out there, but to last so long and reinvent themselves. MJ and Madonna have multiple BIG albums and clusters of success. Max does as well, but:

A) Hasn't been in the game long enough to compare to either act

B) Doesn't have the risk that comes with being physically in the world's face for generations.

 

TL;DR? He isn't at their level of legend yet. Those 4 awards, awarded to a songwriter/producer at the top of their game, are the only thing I can think of that combined would grant him access to that level of legend, because there are many people that still don't know his name. Quincy Jones, MJ, Madonna, The Beatles are UBIQUITOUS with Music.

 

He has a Broadway play coming out shortly with 100% his music (Tony for either music or production is possible), He already has the POTY,Non-Classical Grammy, One day he might win an Original Song Oscar (Can't Stop The Feeling, Love Me Like You Do, and That SZA/JT collab were all shortlisted or nominated), and I'm sure an original song for a Netflix show/movie (like the Eurovision Movie) can win an Emmy. 

 

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9 minutes ago, trainsskyscrapers said:

Max Martin isn't an ACTOR. He's a MUSICIAN.

Exactly, which is why it’s not important for him to win an Oscar, Emmy, or Tony

 

It would be like saying a legendary actor who has won Oscars or Emmys isn’t at a top level unless he wins a Grammy :dies:

 

Look at all nominees for Best Original Song for the Oscars. Do you think most people know them? Do you even know any of them? Clearly this isn’t an important category for musical validation. 

 


John Legend has won all 4 awards and clearly he’s not at Quincy or Max’s level so this standard makes no sense  :dies:

 

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The way BL completely surpassed all his previous hits :jonny4:

 

Anyway, he's not known by the GP in the same way people like MJ or The Beatles are, but he definitely is one of the biggest in the music industry.

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You're stuck in 1990 if you think Max is stopped from being this kind of legend because he doesn't have some awards. :rip: What makes a legend is timeless music and he delivered more than enough of classics from 1990s, through 2000s, 2010s to this day. He LITERALLY shaped the pop music. Pop music is what Max Martin created and his impact is so much bigger than some awards no one knows about other than music nerds. Get your awards outta here. Like 20 people in the universe know what awards some artists won in their life. :rip:

 

The importance of some award given by a small group of people that another small group of people will ever know about or even care is ridiculous to me. 

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1 hour ago, halcyonday said:

You're stuck in 1990 if you think Max is stopped from being this kind of legend because he doesn't have some awards. :rip: What makes a legend is timeless music and he delivered more than enough of classics from 1990s, through 2000s, 2010s to this day. He LITERALLY shaped the pop music. Pop music is what Max Martin created and his impact is so much bigger than some awards no one knows about other than music nerds. Get your awards outta here. Like 20 people in the universe know what awards some artists won in their life. :rip:

 

The importance of some award given by a small group of people that another small group of people will ever know about or even care is ridiculous to me. 

So you believe that Max Martin is at the level of Michael Jackson & Madonna? :soda: Wow. OK.

 

 

1 hour ago, brainmaniac said:

Exactly, which is why it’s not important for him to win an Oscar, Emmy, or Tony

 

It would be like saying a legendary actor who has won Oscars or Emmys isn’t at a top level unless he wins a Grammy :dies:

 

Look at all nominees for Best Original Song for the Oscars. Do you think most people know them? Do you even know any of them? Clearly this isn’t an important category for musical validation. 

 


John Legend has won all 4 awards and clearly he’s not at Quincy or Max’s level so this standard makes no sense  :dies:

 

John Legend is DEFINITELY 10 years from their level (but he'll get there).

He got that EGOT. And with quality work too. 

 

What he did this last decade (sans the Voice + brief television show cameos) was reinvent himself and put music on the back-burner. He began producing Films, TV Specials, and Broadway Shows under the Get Lifted Film Co. moniker. He's in his Quincy Jones Bag right now. I think Lin-Manuel Miranda will get to this level before Max Martin too.

 

John Legend this past decade:

- Jitney (Tony-Award-Winning Play on Broadway) (Producer)

- Damien Chazelle's La La Land

(Executive-Producer + Actor)

- Underground on WGA (Producer)

- Jesus Christ Superstar NBC Special (Producer + Actor)

- Whose Vote Counts? Explained (Narrator)

- Southside With You  (Producer)

- Crow: The Legend (Executive-Producer)

- Jingle-Jangle: Netflix Special (Producer)

- Netflix's Rhythm & Flow (Executive-Producer)

- AMCs Sherman's Showcase (Executive-Producer)

- Giving Voice (Executive-Producer)

- 40 Years A Prisoner (Executive-Producer)

- HBOs Atlanta's Missing And Murdered: The Lost Children (Executive-Producer)

 

Also Look out for Monsters (Film), Signing Day (Sports Agent Film Co-Produced by Steph Curry), and Paper Gods (on ABC).

 

Keep in mind this is ON TOP of his Grammy-winning new music. :dies:

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