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Just now, StrangerInTheDark said:

It sold 1,8m in 2013, not 2020. It was a flop. She was like 4 years into her career, following big eras. You can't erase context.

Being an underperformance for her standards doesn't mean the album was actually a flop in general.

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Witness is certified in nine countries (as many as Joanne and one less than Lover), its videos pulled humongous numbers, and CTTR was a hit.

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6 minutes ago, StrangerInTheDark said:

It sold 1,8m in 2013, not 2020. It was a flop. She was like 4 years into her career, following big eras. You can't erase context.

So you wanted it to sell 3m in 2013 when it was released 6 months before the New Year? :toofunny2: It made the IFPI list, went #1 in Japan UK/US and eventually sold north of 2.5m 

 

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ARTPOP... It has a green score on Metacritic went platinum sold north of 2.5m WW... Underperformance yes but not a flop, that was the media narritive which is powerful. Forum gays would love their real faves to have an artpop sized era :toofunny2:

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6 minutes ago, KillingYourCareer said:

Witness is certified in nine countries (as many as Joanne and one less than Lover), its videos pulled humongous numbers, and CTTR was a hit.

Witness did OK WW but in the English speaking countries the album itself flopped - otherwise it would've just been a decent era but underperformance after Prism ala her ARTPOP era 

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36 minutes ago, alfonso12 said:

ARTPOP, people treat is as if it was Bionic, Glory, Smile or something like that when it sold 2 million and had 2 hits. :rip: 

girl u know im a liddo too, but lets be honest here

 

the fact it had 2 hits is true, but it was still defo a flop (not Bionic or Smile level), but a Lady Gaga album released in 2013 selling 1.8m WW units is BAAAAD 

 

Especially considering her previous album shifted 100K MORE than that in its 1st week WW :deadbanana:

 

also Applause and Do What U Want were like two of her weakest hits at the time. Only Marry the Night was smaller than DWUW, and Applause only really did better than You and I ww :!ohno:

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7 minutes ago, Mr. Stratus said:

Witness did OK WW but in the English speaking countries the album itself flopped - otherwise it would've just been a decent era but underperformance after Prism ala her ARTPOP era 

Yes, undeniably an underperformance... but just like ARTPOP, it wasn't a flop in objective terms.

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8 minutes ago, Mr. Stratus said:

Witness did OK WW but in the English speaking countries the album itself flopped - otherwise it would've just been a decent era but underperformance after Prism ala her ARTPOP era 

Witness was a flop WW and in the US. It didnt do 'OK' :rip:

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Artpop tbh.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, DiamondHoe said:

girl u know im a liddo too, but lets be honest here

 

the fact it had 2 hits is true, but it was still defo a flop (not Bionic or Smile level), but a Lady Gaga album released in 2013 selling 1.8m WW units is BAAAAD 

 

Especially considering her previous album shifted 100K MORE than that in its 1st week WW :deadbanana:

 

also Applause and Do What U Want were like two of her weakest hits at the time. Only Marry the Night was smaller than DWUW, and Applause only really did better than You and I ww :!ohno:

As I said to a member above, the fact that it was an underperformance for her standards doesn't mean that it was a flop in general therms. It wouldn't have been called a flop if it was released by other artists.

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2 minutes ago, alfonso12 said:

As I said to a member above, the fact that it was an underperformance for her standards doesn't mean that it was a flop in general therms. It wouldn't have been called a flop if it was released by other artists.

Flopping is relative though. A flop for a mainstream artist is a success for an underground artist. So yes going from TFM/BTW to Artpop was a flop.

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9 minutes ago, KillingYourCareer said:

Yes, undeniably an underperformance... but just like ARTPOP, it wasn't a flop in objective terms.

 

7 minutes ago, Optimus said:

Witness was a flop WW and in the US. It didnt do 'OK' :rip:

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Artpop tbh.

 

 

Honestly... It didn't do bad WW - and you have to look at the word flop and really think about it. CTTR was massive in Europe and the actual album peaked high and lasted longer than in English-speaking countries. Witness in US as an era had two hits just about, but the album itself charted less than 25 weeks I believe and its the same story in the UK except the album didn't go #1. Had it done better in those key markets it'd be more of an artpop than just a flat out flop

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36 minutes ago, Yog said:

Love Goes -

 

Eligible Platinum In The US, Australia & Canada & Diamond In Brazil

Certified Gold In The UK, Platinum In Mexico and Gold In Poland 

Various Hits

3B Streams On Spotify

Still Charting in Billboard 200 in it's 15th week.

 

 

no shade, but whose album is that? :skull:

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15 minutes ago, DiamondHoe said:

girl u know im a liddo too, but lets be honest here

 

the fact it had 2 hits is true, but it was still defo a flop (not Bionic or Smile level), but a Lady Gaga album released in 2013 selling 1.8m WW units is BAAAAD 

 

What you're describing then is an underperformance imo. Hence why a lot of the albums that people are describing were underperformances, I understand people add the context of 'what happened previously' but no one sells consistently that much everytime. 

 

If an album peaks high, scans platinum in the US and gold UK and has two hits, and sells over 2.5m WW then you can't call it a flop, you have to also define flop too 

 

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36 minutes ago, alfonso12 said:

Being an underperformance for her standards doesn't mean the album was actually a flop in general.

It was flop in general. 

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31 minutes ago, Mr. Stratus said:

So you wanted it to sell 3m in 2013 when it was released 6 months before the New Year? :toofunny2: It made the IFPI list, went #1 in Japan UK/US and eventually sold north of 2.5m 

 

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ARTPOP... It has a green score on Metacritic went platinum sold north of 2.5m WW... Underperformance yes but not a flop, that was the media narritive which is powerful. Forum gays would love their real faves to have an artpop sized era :toofunny2:

It did not sell 2,5m. It never sold what label shipped initially and what appeared on IFPI's YEC 

 

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2 minutes ago, Goofy said:

no shade, but whose album is that? :skull:

Sam Smith’s third album.

 

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There’s always unachievable, ever changing and hypocritical standards in here :toofunny2: sure there’s some objective flops here and there (like Smile) but pretty much any pop girl album is being called a flop nowadays, even if completely crazy and delusional like the ones calling any Taylor album a flop. 

 

A very fine recent example of people calling an album a “flop” way too early: Positions.

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9 minutes ago, StrangerInTheDark said:

It did not sell 2,5m. It never sold what label shipped initially and what appeared on IFPI's YEC 

 

Yes... It did, this is based solely on certifications:

Region Certification Certified units/sales
Argentina (CAPIF)[319] Gold 20,000^
Austria (IFPI Austria)[320] Gold 7,500*
Brazil (Pro-Música Brasil)[321] Platinum 40,000*
Canada (Music Canada)[233] Platinum 80,000^
Colombia (ASINCOL)[322] Gold 5,000^
France (SNEP)[323] Platinum 60,000[241]
Hungary (MAHASZ)[324] Gold 1,000^
Italy (FIMI)[325] Gold 30,000*
Japan (RIAJ)[326] Platinum 195,712[303]
Mexico (AMPROFON)[327] Platinum 60,000^
Poland (ZPAV)[328] Gold 10,000*
South Korea 3,856[329]
Spain (PROMUSICAE)[330] Gold 20,000^
Sweden (GLF)[331] Gold 20,000double-dagger
Switzerland (IFPI Switzerland)[332] Gold 10,000^
United Kingdom (BPI)[238] Gold 207,243[239]
United States (RIAA)[230] Platinum 775,000[228]
Summaries
Worldwide (IFPI) 2,500,000[243]

* Sales figures based on certification alone.
^ Shipments figures based on certification alone.
double-dagger Sales+streaming figures based on certification alone.

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19 minutes ago, Mr. Stratus said:

 

Honestly... It didn't do bad WW - and you have to look at the word flop and really think about it. CTTR was massive in Europe and the actual album peaked high and lasted longer than in English-speaking countries. Witness in US as an era had two hits just about, but the album itself charted less than 25 weeks I believe and its the same story in the UK except the album didn't go #1. Had it done better in those key markets it'd be more of an artpop than just a flat out flop

There are actually many parallelisms between ARTPOP and Witness - #4-peaking lead singles that did remarkably in Europe, one more moderate hit, disappointing chart runs for the album that still translated into several certifications around the world... sure, they're both massive downfalls from their previous eras, but they did OK as the thread asks!

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1 hour ago, 80x100 said:

Melodrama by Lorde

 

green light x2 platinium in us, a platinium in uk

album sold 2m 

aoty nomination

imagine doing this after 4 years of hitaus :chick3:

2M?? Where?

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