Spotify: Female artists with most playlist reach

[WildHeart]

21 minutes ago, ariananext said:

so Taylor has more than 23.7B streams?

 

 

Nobody was talking about total streams. You knew that since you realized you were wrong and deleted your post. 

 

What is even point of this

30 minutes ago, Holiest Dreams said:

A certain fanbase embarrassing themselves in here when no one called for them. How sad 

 

 
 

OT: #1 streamed female artist Taylor organic  

Like literally, was was even point of this, nobody even talked about their fave or attack them.

They need to calm down. 

 

OT : Yes Taylor, yes organic streams. 

Edited February 12, 2021 by Artistofthedecade

[istan4badgalriri]

19 minutes ago, zoldyck said:

Why not? I am not shading Dua just using her as example, She has two songs on TTH (levitating and we are good) and both song will get benefit from that playlist individually and contribute to her overall streams. So its fair to account for multiple appearances on single playlist. 

Because playlist reach, by definition, is the number of listeners an artist reaches through playlist placements. Both Chartmetric and Songstats (the source used by the OP in this thread) calculate an artist's playlist reach by combining the amount of listeners of each playlist the artist appears on, and not by combining the playlist reach of each individual song (for a reason).

Having 1 song playlisted on Today's Top Hits obviously has more impact than having 10 songs on a playlist with 2M followers. Having 1 song with a 100M playlist reach has more impact than having 10 songs with a 10M playlist reach, each.

[KOMHStan13]

1 hour ago, istan4badgalriri said:

That's a very misleading list considering it combines the playlist reach of every individual song, which is double counting on multiple occasions considering some of these artists have several songs placed on 1 playlist. It doesn't make any sense nor does it give an accurate picture.

Having 5 songs on a playlist of 5M followers surely doesn't have more impact than having 1 song on a playlist of 30M followers.

 

According to chartmetric (which doesn't double or triple count):

 

Dua Lipa - 420M

Ariana Grande - 371M

Cardi B - 333M

Miley Cyrus - 298M

Taylor Swift - 294M

Selena Gomez - 294M

Sia - 284M

Doja Cat - 266M

Shakira - 249M

Billie Eilish - 246M

Nicki Minaj - 234M

KAROL G - 224M

Lady Gaga - 218M

Halsey - 210M

Katy Perry - 204M

Beyoncé - 201M

Demi Lovato - 197M

Olivia Rodrigo - 195M

Camila Cabello - 191M

Rihanna - 182M

 

 Nice try.

why would you not count multiple songs in the same playlist? Not you doing the most mental gymnastics and for what. That's so embarrassing 

[Selenasworld]

31 minutes ago, Watson! said:

Which selena's songs are promoted? And who the hell is karol?

Selena didn't had a single song with more than 50M playlist reach in months, Baila Conmigo has now 102M or so the others don't even pass 40M 

Karol G ig she's the biggest latin gurl rn

[Reputation6754]

Taylor 

[peterstyles13]

1 hour ago, istan4badgalriri said:

That's a very misleading list considering it combines the playlist reach of every individual song, which is double counting on multiple occasions considering some of these artists have several songs placed on 1 playlist. It doesn't make any sense nor does it give an accurate picture.

Having 5 songs on a playlist of 5M followers surely doesn't have more impact than having 1 song on a playlist of 30M followers.

Huh? What kind of weird logic is this? 

 

If anything the numbers in the OP give a far more accurate picture of their actual playlist reach and how it affects their streams. Why on Earth would you count the reach of a playlist only once if you have multiple songs on said playlist? How can you not possibly get that having multiple songs on the same playlist multiplies your chance to get your music played? Let's say someone shuffles TTH where a given artist has 4 songs. Logically speaking, the artist in question's chance of being played are 4 times higher than if they only had one song on the playlist. Yet using your method of calculating the reach, you completely ignore this as if have 1 song on TTH is the same as having 4. Newsflash, it's not at all.  

 

11 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

Because playlist reach, by definition, is the number of listeners an artist reaches through playlist placements. Both Chartmetric and Songstats (the source used by the OP in this thread) calculate an artist's playlist reach by combining the amount of listeners of each playlist the artist appears on, and not by combining the playlist reach of each individual song (for a reason).

Having 1 song playlisted on Today's Top Hits obviously has more impact than having 10 songs on a playlist with 2M followers. Having 1 song with a 100M playlist reach has more impact than having 10 songs with a 10M playlist reach, each.

That's literally not true. Did you even bother going on their website before posting your shtick that proves absolutely nothing?

 

OP said Nicki Minaj has 714M in reach. Songstats show exactly that.

 

OP said Sia has a reach of 672M. Songstats show exactly that. 

 

So on and so forth for every artist. So what's not clicking?

Edited February 12, 2021 by peterstyles13

[KOMHStan13]

2 minutes ago, peterstyles13 said:

Huh? What kind of weird logic is this? 

 

If anything the numbers in the OP give a far more accurate picture of their actual playlist reach and how it affects their streams. Why on Earth would you count the reach of a playlist only once if you have multiple songs on said playlist? How can you not possibly get that having multiple songs on the same playlist multiplies your chance to get your music played? Let's say someone shuffles TTH where a given artist has 4 songs. Logically speaking, the artist in question's chance of being played are 4 times higher than if they only had one song on the playlist. Yet using your method of calculating the reach, you completely ignore this as if have 1 song on TTH is the same as having 4. Newsflash, it's not at all.  

[Infernal Paradise]

15 minutes ago, peterstyles13 said:

Huh? What kind of weird logic is this? 

 

If anything the numbers in the OP give a far more accurate picture of their actual playlist reach and how it affects their streams. Why on Earth would you count the reach of a playlist only once if you have multiple songs on said playlist? How can you not possibly get that having multiple songs on the same playlist multiplies your chance to get your music played? Let's say someone shuffles TTH where a given artist has 4 songs. Logically speaking, the artist in question's chance of being played are 4 times higher than if they only had one song on the playlist. Yet using your method of calculating the reach, you completely ignore this as if have 1 song on TTH is the same as having 4. Newsflash, it's not at all.  

 

That's literally not true. Did you even bother going on their website before posting your shtick that proves absolutely nothing?

 

OP said Nicki Minaj has 714M in reach. Songstats show exactly that.

 

OP said Sia has a reach of 672M. Songstats show exactly that. 

 

So on and so forth for every artist. So what's not clicking?

Oh wow oh WOW. Another schooling for miss istan4... too long, didn't type.

 

This is EXPONENTIALLY embarrassing. Glad the mental gymnastics could be put to rest with some sound logic and verifiable receipts.

 

 

[Pink Ranger]

2 hours ago, Near said:

DEMI WITH A HIGHER PLAYLIST REACH THAN TAYLOR  

Scooter really spending those coins he got from her masters huh

Surely all this means is that more Demi songs are on playlists? I see confident and heart attack quite a lot but that’s down to most likely HWR moreso than scooter given her later catalog with island are nowhere to be seen. 

 

that’s all well and good for her older Catalogue to have a decent playlist reach but when her current collab is at a 39M playlist reach whereas Selenas latest single is at 105 something isn’t clicking..

 

like Shake It Off a song that’s nearing a decade old having more of a playlist reach than a song that came out 2 weeks ago nn  

 

that’s if I’m thinking correctly idk how this all works.

[istan4badgalriri]

25 minutes ago, KOMHStan13 said:

why would you not count multiple songs in the same playlist? Not you doing the most mental gymnastics and for what. That's so embarrassing 

Because playlist reach is the amount of listeners an artist reaches through the playlist they appear on. That's why Chartmetric doesn't double, triple, (...) count.

https://www.chartmetric.com/

[zoldyck]

39 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

 

Having 1 song playlisted on Today's Top Hits obviously has more impact than having 10 songs on a playlist with 2M followers. Having 1 song with a 100M playlist reach has more impact than having 10 songs with a 10M playlist reach, each.

having 2 songs playlisted on TTH has more impact than having 1 song on TTH.

Edited February 12, 2021 by zoldyck

[Katniss]

34 minutes ago, peterstyles13 said:

Huh? What kind of weird logic is this? 

 

If anything the numbers in the OP give a far more accurate picture of their actual playlist reach and how it affects their streams. Why on Earth would you count the reach of a playlist only once if you have multiple songs on said playlist? How can you not possibly get that having multiple songs on the same playlist multiplies your chance to get your music played? Let's say someone shuffles TTH where a given artist has 4 songs. Logically speaking, the artist in question's chance of being played are 4 times higher than if they only had one song on the playlist. Yet using your method of calculating the reach, you completely ignore this as if have 1 song on TTH is the same as having 4. Newsflash, it's not at all.  

 

That's literally not true. Did you even bother going on their website before posting your shtick that proves absolutely nothing?

 

OP said Nicki Minaj has 714M in reach. Songstats show exactly that.

 

OP said Sia has a reach of 672M. Songstats show exactly that. 

 

So on and so forth for every artist. So what's not clicking?

Facts 

[Feanor]

26 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

Because playlist reach is the amount of listeners an artist reaches through the playlist they appear on. That's why Chartmetric doesn't double, triple, (...) count.

https://www.chartmetric.com/

That's playlist reach as defined by Chartmetric. You are more than welcome to make a thread based on those numbers.

 

This thread however, as clearly mentioned in the first sentence of the OP, is based on Songstats. And going by their way of counting, having multiple entries in a playlist increases your overall playlist reach exposure. If you agree or disagree with that methodology is up to you, but that does not matter here.

 

The numbers in the OP are taken directly from Songstats. There was no calculation to combine any numbers, cause these numbers are explicitly labeled as "playlist reach, all" in the site itself, on which this thread is based on.

 

A source was cited, the numbers were presented the way they appear and are labeled in the source, and that's all there is.

There was no ulterior motive or the claim that these numbers are the ultimate definition of playlist reach.

 

Edited February 12, 2021 by Feanor

[G.U.Y_Del_Rey]

yes Taylor yes organic streams 

Not Demi having more playlist reach than Taylor

The Rihanna and Beyonce payola , them having more than Ariana 

Edited February 12, 2021 by G.U.Y_Del_Rey

[Infernal Paradise]

45 minutes ago, Feanor said:

That's playlist reach as defined by Chartmetric. You are more than welcome to make a thread based on those numbers.

 

This thread however, as clearly mentioned in the first sentence of the OP, is based on Songstats. And going by their way of counting, having multiple entries in a playlist increases your overall playlist reach exposure. If you agree or disagree with that methodology is up to you, but that does not matter here.

 

The numbers in the OP are taken directly from Songstats. There was no calculation to combine any numbers, cause these numbers are explicitly labeled as "playlist reach, all" in the site itself, on which this thread is based on.

 

A source was cited, the numbers were presented the way they appear and are labeled in the source, and that's all there is.

There was no ulterior motive or the claim that these numbers are the ultimate definition of playlist reach.

 

This is getting exponentially more difficult to twist for the user who falsely accused the OP of using incorrect numbers and tried to put their own spin on it. Looks like the numbers and receipts provided in the thread and OP are very real and do a great job at differentiating organic and inorganic streaming acts that are on display for everyone to see. 

 

 

OT: Gaga 

[thatsmydemi]

3 hours ago, Near said:

DEMI WITH A HIGHER PLAYLIST REACH THAN TAYLOR  

Scooter really spending those coins he got from her masters huh

None of those songs are handled by Scooter  

[thatsmydemi]

3 hours ago, istan4badgalriri said:

That's a very misleading list considering it combines the playlist reach of every individual song, which is double counting on multiple occasions considering some of these artists have several songs placed on 1 playlist. It doesn't make any sense nor does it give an accurate picture.

Having 5 songs on a playlist of 5M followers surely doesn't have more impact than having 1 song on a playlist of 30M followers.

 

According to chartmetric (which doesn't double or triple count):

 

Dua Lipa - 420M

Ariana Grande - 371M

Cardi B - 333M

Miley Cyrus - 298M

Taylor Swift - 294M

Selena Gomez - 294M

Sia - 284M

Doja Cat - 266M

Shakira - 249M

Billie Eilish - 246M

Nicki Minaj - 234M

KAROL G - 224M

Lady Gaga - 218M

Halsey - 210M

Katy Perry - 204M

Beyoncé - 201M

Demi Lovato - 197M

Olivia Rodrigo - 195M

Camila Cabello - 191M

Rihanna - 182M

 

 Nice try.

I knew there was something wrong when I saw Demi that high. Swifties can stop panicking now. 

[istan4badgalriri]

1 hour ago, peterstyles13 said:

Huh? What kind of weird logic is this? 

 

If anything the numbers in the OP give a far more accurate picture of their actual playlist reach and how it affects their streams. Why on Earth would you count the reach of a playlist only once if you have multiple songs on said playlist? How can you not possibly get that having multiple songs on the same playlist multiplies your chance to get your music played? Let's say someone shuffles TTH where a given artist has 4 songs. Logically speaking, the artist in question's chance of being played are 4 times higher than if they only had one song on the playlist. Yet using your method of calculating the reach, you completely ignore this as if have 1 song on TTH is the same as having 4. Newsflash, it's not at all.  

And... you think having 1 song on a playlist of 30M followers has the same impact has having 30 songs on a playlist of 1M followers ?

You think 1 song reaching 30,000,000 unique listeners has the same impact as 30 songs reaching 1,000,000 unique followers ?

I'll be nice and help you realize how wrong you are with a simple, straightforward example:

 

If those 30M followers stream that 1 song all at the same time (obviously won't happen, but that's for case by case comparison), that's 30M streams brought in, within 2-3 minutes. 

Now... for those 30M streams to be generated from the playlist with 1M followers (considering you can't possibly stream 30 songs simultaneously), that'll take 90 minutes. The only way you can get to the same result as the first example is if the listeners stream every single song, or if they replay the same song 30 times. And in either cases, that'll take way, way longer.  

 

Being playlisted on Today's Top Hits is, in theory, an immediate reach to 30 million unique listeners.

Being on a playlist with 1 million followers is, and remains, whether there's 1 or 30 songs on that playlist, an immediate reach to 1 million unique listeners. 

Yet the list in the OP implies that both of these cases are the same.

 

Now... an effective way to see how flawed the list in the OP is (how it makes some of these artists look inaccurately bad), and to see how well these girls' playlsting is really translating, is if we look at the artists with the most unique listeners on X day, comparatively to the total number of listeners from combined playlists those artists appear on (using Chartmetric data):

 

Let's use yesterday:

 

Listeners

1. Ariana Grande - 8.07m

2. Dua Lipa - 7.23m

3. Taylor Swift - 6m

4. Billie Eilish - 5.7m

5. Doja Cat - 4.96m

6. Olivia Rodrigo - 4.91m

7. Rihanna - 4.88m

8. Sia - 4.8m

9. Halsey - 4.66m

10. Selena Gomez - 4.62m
#11-#20:

Spoiler

 

11. Miley Cyrus - 4.55m

12. Cardi B - 4.33m

13. Lady Gaga - 4.14m

14. Nicki Minaj - 3.9m

15. Karol G - 3.71m

16. Katy Perry - 3.42m

17. Shakira - 3.41m

18. Beyoncé - 3.39m

19. SZA - 3.29m

20. Megan Thee Stallion - 3.18m

21. Camila Cabello - 2.85m

22. Demi Lovato - 2.83m

 

 

Playlist Reach

1. Dua Lipa - 420M

2. Ariana Grande - 371M

3. Cardi B - 333M

4. Miley Cyrus - 298M

5. Taylor Swift - 294M

6. Selena Gomez - 294M

7. Sia - 284M

8. Doja Cat - 266M

9. Shakira - 249M

10. Billie Eilish - 246M

#11-#20:

Spoiler

 

11. Nicki Minaj - 234M

12. KAROL G - 224M

13. Lady Gaga - 218M

14. Halsey - 210M

15. Megan Thee Stallion - 208M

16. Katy Perry - 204M

17. Beyoncé - 201M

18. Demi Lovato - 197M

19. SZA - 196M

20. Olivia Rodrigo - 195M

21. Camila Cabello - 191M

22. Rihanna - 182M

 

Best engagement rate with listeners (playlist reach/number of listeners):

 

1. Rihanna 2.68%

2. Olivia Rodrigo 2.51%

3. Billie Eilish 2.32%

4. Halsey 2.22%

5. Ariana Grande 2.18%

6. Taylor Swift 2.04%

7. Lady Gaga 1.9%

8. Doja Cat 1.86%

9. Dua Lipa 1.72%

10. Beyoncé 1.69%

11. Sia 1.69%

12. SZA - 1.68%

13. Katy Perry 1.68%

14. Nicki Minaj 1.67%

15. Karol G 1.66%

16. Selena Gomez 1.57%

17. Megan Thee Stallion 1.53%

18. Miley Cyrus 1.53%

19. Camila Cabello - 1.49%

20. Demi Lovato - 1.44%

21. Shakira 1.37%

22. Cardi B 1.3%

 

Well would you look at that... gives quite a different picture to that of the OP.

 

 

Edited February 12, 2021 by istan4badgalriri

[SelenaGomez<3]

And people think Ariana and Dua are not payola artists? 

[evtimow]

27 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

And... you think having 1 song on a playlist of 30M followers has the same impact has having 30 songs on a playlist of 1M followers ?

You think 1 song reaching 30,000,000 unique listeners has the same impact as 30 songs reaching 1,000,000 unique followers ?

I'll be nice and help you realize how wrong you are with a simple, straightforward example:

 

If those 30M followers stream that 1 song all at the same time (obviously won't happen, but that's for case by case comparison), that's 30M streams brought in, within 2-3 minutes. 

Now... for those 30M streams to be generated from the playlist with 1M followers (considering you can't possibly stream 30 songs simultaneously), that'll take 90 minutes. The only way you can get to the same result as the first example is if the listeners stream every single song, or if they replay the same song 30 times. And in either cases, that'll take way, way longer.  

 

Being playlisted on Today's Top Hits is, in theory, an immediate reach to 30 million unique listeners.

Being on a playlist with 1 million followers is, and remains, whether there's 1 or 30 songs on that playlist, an immediate reach to 1 million unique listeners. 

Yet the list in the OP implies that both of these cases are the same.

 

Now... an effective way to see how flawed the list in the OP is (how it makes some of these artists look inaccurately bad), and to see how well these girls' playlsting is really translating, is if we look at the artists with the most unique listeners on X day, comparatively to the total number of listeners from combined playlists those artists appear on (using Chartmetric data):

 

Let's use yesterday:

 

Listeners

1. Ariana Grande - 8.07m

2. Dua Lipa - 7.23m

3. Taylor Swift - 6m

4. Billie Eilish - 5.7m

5. Doja Cat - 4.96m

6. Olivia Rodrigo - 4.91m

7. Rihanna - 4.88m

8. Sia - 4.8m

9. Halsey - 4.66m

10. Selena Gomez - 4.62m
#11-#20:

  Reveal hidden contents

 

11. Miley Cyrus - 4.55m

12. Cardi B - 4.33m

13. Lady Gaga - 4.14m

14. Nicki Minaj - 3.9m

15. Karol G - 3.71m

16. Katy Perry - 3.42m

17. Shakira - 3.41m

18. Beyoncé - 3.39m

19. SZA - 3.29m

20. Megan Thee Stallion - 3.18m

21. Camila Cabello - 2.85m

22. Demi Lovato - 2.83m

 

 

Playlist Reach

1. Dua Lipa - 420M

2. Ariana Grande - 371M

3. Cardi B - 333M

4. Miley Cyrus - 298M

5. Taylor Swift - 294M

6. Selena Gomez - 294M

7. Sia - 284M

8. Doja Cat - 266M

9. Shakira - 249M

10. Billie Eilish - 246M

#11-#20:

  Reveal hidden contents

 

11. Nicki Minaj - 234M

12. KAROL G - 224M

13. Lady Gaga - 218M

14. Halsey - 210M

15. Megan Thee Stallion - 208M

16. Katy Perry - 204M

17. Beyoncé - 201M

18. Demi Lovato - 197M

19. SZA - 196M

20. Olivia Rodrigo - 195M

21. Camila Cabello - 191M

22. Rihanna - 182M

 

Best engagement rate with listeners (playlist reach/number of listeners):

 

1. Rihanna 2.68%

2. Olivia Rodrigo 2.51%

3. Billie Eilish 2.32%

4. Halsey 2.22%

5. Ariana Grande 2.18%

6. Taylor Swift 2.04%

7. Lady Gaga 1.9%

8. Doja Cat 1.86%

9. Dua Lipa 1.72%

10. Beyoncé 1.69%

11. Sia 1.69%

12. SZA - 1.68%

13. Katy Perry 1.68%

14. Nicki Minaj 1.67%

15. Karol G 1.66%

16. Selena Gomez 1.57%

17. Megan Thee Stallion 1.53%

18. Miley Cyrus 1.53%

19. Camila Cabello - 1.49%

20. Demi Lovato - 1.44%

21. Shakira 1.37%

22. Cardi B 1.3%

 

Well would you look at that... gives quite a different picture to that of the OP.

 

 

30m followers all have a relatively small chance of playing that one song. Maybe around 2% of them will play that one song. Aka 600k streams for that song.

 

If there are 5 songs on a playlist that is 5x smaller, they will each get a 120k boost and the total boost will be 600k.

 

Your methodology states that if an artist has 50 songs on TTH it should be weighted the same as if an artist has one song. Which is obviously ludicrous. 

[Beny]

44 minutes ago, istan4badgalriri said:

And... you think having 1 song on a playlist of 30M followers has the same impact has having 30 songs on a playlist of 1M followers ?

You think 1 song reaching 30,000,000 unique listeners has the same impact as 30 songs reaching 1,000,000 unique followers ?

I'll be nice and help you realize how wrong you are with a simple, straightforward example:

 

If those 30M followers stream that 1 song all at the same time (obviously won't happen, but that's for case by case comparison), that's 30M streams brought in, within 2-3 minutes. 

Now... for those 30M streams to be generated from the playlist with 1M followers (considering you can't possibly stream 30 songs simultaneously), that'll take 90 minutes. The only way you can get to the same result as the first example is if the listeners stream every single song, or if they replay the same song 30 times. And in either cases, that'll take way, way longer.  

 

Being playlisted on Today's Top Hits is, in theory, an immediate reach to 30 million unique listeners.

Being on a playlist with 1 million followers is, and remains, whether there's 1 or 30 songs on that playlist, an immediate reach to 1 million unique listeners. 

Yet the list in the OP implies that both of these cases are the same.

 

Now... an effective way to see how flawed the list in the OP is (how it makes some of these artists look inaccurately bad), and to see how well these girls' playlsting is really translating, is if we look at the artists with the most unique listeners on X day, comparatively to the total number of listeners from combined playlists those artists appear on (using Chartmetric data):

 

Let's use yesterday:

 

Listeners

1. Ariana Grande - 8.07m

2. Dua Lipa - 7.23m

3. Taylor Swift - 6m

4. Billie Eilish - 5.7m

5. Doja Cat - 4.96m

6. Olivia Rodrigo - 4.91m

7. Rihanna - 4.88m

8. Sia - 4.8m

9. Halsey - 4.66m

10. Selena Gomez - 4.62m
#11-#20:

  Reveal hidden contents

 

11. Miley Cyrus - 4.55m

12. Cardi B - 4.33m

13. Lady Gaga - 4.14m

14. Nicki Minaj - 3.9m

15. Karol G - 3.71m

16. Katy Perry - 3.42m

17. Shakira - 3.41m

18. Beyoncé - 3.39m

19. SZA - 3.29m

20. Megan Thee Stallion - 3.18m

21. Camila Cabello - 2.85m

22. Demi Lovato - 2.83m

 

 

Playlist Reach

1. Dua Lipa - 420M

2. Ariana Grande - 371M

3. Cardi B - 333M

4. Miley Cyrus - 298M

5. Taylor Swift - 294M

6. Selena Gomez - 294M

7. Sia - 284M

8. Doja Cat - 266M

9. Shakira - 249M

10. Billie Eilish - 246M

#11-#20:

  Reveal hidden contents

 

11. Nicki Minaj - 234M

12. KAROL G - 224M

13. Lady Gaga - 218M

14. Halsey - 210M

15. Megan Thee Stallion - 208M

16. Katy Perry - 204M

17. Beyoncé - 201M

18. Demi Lovato - 197M

19. SZA - 196M

20. Olivia Rodrigo - 195M

21. Camila Cabello - 191M

22. Rihanna - 182M

 

Best engagement rate with listeners (playlist reach/number of listeners):

 

1. Rihanna 2.68%

2. Olivia Rodrigo 2.51%

3. Billie Eilish 2.32%

4. Halsey 2.22%

5. Ariana Grande 2.18%

6. Taylor Swift 2.04%

7. Lady Gaga 1.9%

8. Doja Cat 1.86%

9. Dua Lipa 1.72%

10. Beyoncé 1.69%

11. Sia 1.69%

12. SZA - 1.68%

13. Katy Perry 1.68%

14. Nicki Minaj 1.67%

15. Karol G 1.66%

16. Selena Gomez 1.57%

17. Megan Thee Stallion 1.53%

18. Miley Cyrus 1.53%

19. Camila Cabello - 1.49%

20. Demi Lovato - 1.44%

21. Shakira 1.37%

22. Cardi B 1.3%

 

Well would you look at that... gives quite a different picture to that of the OP.

 

 

Clocked !

 

[Rhiannon]

35 minutes ago, SelenaGomez<3 said:

And people think Ariana and Dua are not payola artists? 

Why would they think that? they must be delulu

 

Pay-for-Play Was Banned From Radio — But Texts Reveal It May Still Be Thriving

Zap instructed a station he worked with to take plays from artists such as Panic! at the Disco and Maren Morris in an effort to boost Marshmello, Halsey, and Dua Lipa. (“Can we take off Panic till Sunday. Help Marshmello go 1,” Zap texted.) On one occasion, Zap instructed a station he worked with to reduce plays for the Jonas Brothers to help P!nk (“Can we pull down Jonas. Bros Sucker,” Zap asked. “Helping Pink go 1”); 14 days later, he asked the same station to take plays away from P!nk to benefit another artist. (“Everyone so desperate and sad at Labels,” Zap wrote. “Let’s pull down Pink and Kelly clarkson.”)

 

source:https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/features/pay-for-play-radio-texts-1067691/

 

OT: Gaga being so organic, we love to see it!

Edited February 12, 2021 by Rhiannon

[peterstyles13]

1 hour ago, istan4badgalriri said:

And... you think having 1 song on a playlist of 30M followers has the same impact has having 30 songs on a playlist of 1M followers ?

Considering that 1 multipled by 30M is the same thing as 30 mulitplied by 1M... yes?   
One song having 30M in reach = 30M.
30 songs having 1M in reach = 30M. 

That's basic maths. What is so hard to comprehend in that? 

 

1 hour ago, istan4badgalriri said:

You think 1 song reaching 30,000,000 unique listeners has the same impact as 10 songs reaching 1,000,000 unique followers ?

What even  Let's do basic maths again.

30M x 1 = 30M

10 x 1M = 10M

As you might know, 30M in reach is higher than 10M. No one said otherwise and that was not the point that was being made in any way, shape or form. 

 

1 hour ago, istan4badgalriri said:

If those 30M followers stream that 1 song all at the same time (obviously won't happen, but that's for case by case comparison), that's 30M streams brought in, within 2-3 minutes. 

Now... for those 30M streams to be generated from the playlist with 1M followers (considering you can't possibly stream 30 songs simultaneously), that'll take 90 minutes and that's only if the listeners replay those songs 3 times each. The only way you can get to the same result as the first example is if the listeners stream each one of those 10 songs 3 times each, or if they replay the same song 30 times. And in either cases, that'll take way, way longer.  

What kind of impossible exaggerated scenario is this?   Do you expect us to take you seriously when your entire argument revolves around an illogical example that would absolutely never happen? You do realize that's not ACTUALLY how things work, right? You are literally making up the most extreme example you can muster knowing it's never gonna happen like this. Can't believe I have to say this but in the real world, when people put on a playlist, they listen to the darn playlist. Which means the more songs you have on the playlist, the higher your chance of getting a song played is . If someone wanted to listen to a specific song, they'd just search for it on the Spotify search bar and click play. They won't go into a playlist full of other songs just to play it . Useless and unrealistic example 

 

You should be well aware that the artists with huge playlist reaches don't just have that kind of reach because they have 30 songs () on relatively small playlists. It's mainly because they have multiple songs on big playlists, such as Today's Top Hits, RapCaviar, All Out 00s, Songs To Sing In The Car, etc. The amount of song a given artist has on a playlist must be taken into consideration because it obviously impacts how often their songs will be listened to since they have more exposure (which is the whole point of the thread). Just look at Dua. She currently has 3 songs on the biggest playlist on Spotify (TTH). Yet in all seriousness you want to sit there and pretend as if she's not advantaged compared to someone who has only one on the same playlist?  

 

 

1 hour ago, istan4badgalriri said:

Listeners

Yeah, no. At the end of the day, absolutely no one keeps up or cares about the unique daily listeners of an artist beside a handful of stans. What matters and what has always mattered is how many streams you get. But hey, if anything, this just reinforces what I was saying. Let's say a given listener listens to an entire playlist, the artist with multiple songs on that playlist is advantaged and will get their songs played more than an artist with one song on the same playlist. Don't know how often I'll have to repeat this before you get it.This is the whole point that has been made from the start and it clearly shows why it is important to take into consideration the fact that artists very often have multiple songs on the same playlist. 

 

1 hour ago, istan4badgalriri said:

Being playlisted on Today's Top Hits is, in theory, an immediate reach to 30 million unique listeners.

Being on a playlist with 1 million followers is, and remains, whether there's 1 or 30 songs on that playlist, an immediate reach to 1 million unique listeners. 

Yet the list in the OP implies that both of these cases are the same.

The list in the OP clearly indicates the total exposure for all the songs an artist released. Having 30 songs on a playlist that has 1M followers obviously means that each song is exposed to 1 million followers. Yet YOU are implying it makes absolutely no difference wether you have 1 song or 30 songs on that same playlist, as if your chance to get a song played are the exact same no matter how many songs you have on it. You either know this makes no sense and you're just of bad faith (would it be because your fav is so high when it comes to cumulative playlist reach? Gee I wonder), or you're just hung up on useless semantics. Either way it's quite embarrassing as you keep denying and ignoring basic maths. Definitely not a good look if you ask me!

 

 

 

Edited February 12, 2021 by peterstyles13

[Toxicity.]

7 minutes ago, peterstyles13 said:

Considering that 1 multipled by 30M is the same thing as 30 mulitplied by 1M... yes?   
One song having 30M in reach = 30M.
30 songs having 1M in reach = 30M. 

That's basic maths. What is so hard to comprehend in that? 

 

What even  Let's do basic maths again.

30M x 1 = 30M

10 x 1M = 10M

As you might know, 30M in reach is higher than 10M. No one said otherwise and that was not the point that was being made in any way, shape or form. 

 

What kind of impossible exaggerated scenario is this?   Do you expect us to take you seriously when your entire argument revolves around an illogical example that would absolutely never happen? You do realize that's not ACTUALLY how things work, right? You are literally making up the most extreme example you can muster knowing it's never gonna happen like this. Can't believe I have to say this but in the real world, when people put on a playlist, they listen to the darn playlist. Which means if the more songs you have on the playlist, the higher your chance of getting a song played is . If someone wanted to listen to a specific song, they'd just search for it on the Spotify search bar and click play. They won't go into a playlist full of other songs just to play it . Useless and unrealistic example 

 

You should be well aware that the artists with huge playlist reaches don't just have that kind of reach because they have 30 songs () on relatively small playlists. It's mainly because they have multiple songs on big playlists, such as Today's Top Hits, RapCaviar, All Out 00s, Songs To Sing In The Car, etc. The amount of song a given artist has on a playlist must be taken into consideration because it obviously impacts how often their songs will be listened to since they have more exposure (which is the whole point of the thread). Just look at Dua. She currently has 3 songs on the biggest playlist on Spotify (TTH). Yet in all seriousness you want to sit there and pretend as if she's not advantaged compared to someone who has only one on the same playlist?  

 

 

Yeah, no. At the end of the day, absolutely no one keeps up or cares about the unique daily listeners of an artist beside a handful of stans. What matters and what has always mattered is how many streams you get. But hey, if anything, this just reinforces what I was saying. Let's say a given listener listens to an entire playlist, the artist with multiple songs on that playlist is advantaged and will get their songs played more than an artist with one song on the same playlist. Don't know how often I'll have to repeat this before you get it.This is the whole point that has been made from the start and it clearly shows why it is important to take into consideration the fact that artists very often have multiple songs on the same playlist. 

 

The list in the OP clearly indicates the total exposure for all the songs an artist released. Having 30 songs on a playlist that has 1M followers obviously means that each song is exposed to 1 million followers. Yet YOU are implying it makes absolutely no difference wether you have 1 song or 30 songs on that same playlist, as if your chance to get a song played are the exact same no matter how many songs you have on it. You either know this makes no sense and you're just of bad faith (would it be because your fav is so high when it comes to cumulative playlist reach? Gee I wonder), or you're just hung up on useless semantics. Either way it's quite embarrassing as you keep denying and ignoring basic maths. Definitely not a good look if you ask me!

 

 

 

Oh wow... It’s been a bad week for miss istan4bad  

[Cloröx]

So having 5 songs on TTH is similar to having 1 song on TTH according to IStan's logic 

Playlist reach is about exposure, whether people stream the song on that playlist is another story. IStan thought he did something here