Is Mariah Carey more relevant than Madonna in 2021?

[Snowflake]

The viral memes, massive streams (even without AIWFCIY) and appeal to the new generation...is Mimi more relevant than Madge in 2021? Discuss and keep it cute 

[LosingHimWasBlue]

AIWFCIY is arguably bigger than Mariah Carey itself. 
 

Madonna still Queen of Pop, and Best Selling Female Artist tho. 

[suburbannature]

34 minutes ago, LosingHimWasBlue said:

AIWFCIY is arguably bigger than Mariah Carey itself. 
 

Madonna still Queen of Pop, and Best Selling Female Artist tho. 

 that’s not a thing (especially about someone who is one of the all-time best selling artists). There’s a reason Mariah went viral for two months for being The Queen of Christmas, etc. She’s also had other songs go viral on TikTok and has (by far) the better recurrent streams of the two - with and without Xmas.

 

Anyway, we have this thread every week and the answer is always Mariah.

Edited January 19 by suburbannature

[Truth Teller]

Still no. Madame X outsold and outstreamed Caution 3 times over and Madonna can still tour very successfully, albeit not on the level of her older tours. I love Mariah, but y'all need to stop using Twitter to put down Madonna. 

[Dark Horse]

she's been more relevant than madonna in the 90s, 00s, 10s, and now the 20s.

[Solar]

She kinda is, even musically her legacy has a bigger influence/presence in current pop trends as of now.

[Oktober Knight]

This is about to get messy 

[Thinking Of You]

Is water wet?

[wehavetostan]

Yes.

[tiagol88]

If the world was the USA yes...but it isn't so no.

[Bimbo]

Duh. Obviously.

[Marshal_ac]

People listen to AIWFC because it’s Christmas, not because they go out of their way to listen to a Mariah song. 
 

madonna has outsold every mariah album since like Ray of Light I think? Definitely bigger sales world wide. 

[Alexz]

No, it’s not December anymore.

[suburbannature]

5 minutes ago, Solar said:

She kinda is, even musically her legacy has a bigger influence/presence in current pop trends as of now.

Yes, also this. The pop song/rapper trend was popularized by Mariah, melismatic singing in pop music, the modern day Xmas attempts, the meld of R&B and pop, her remixes

[Alongoria13]

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=madonna,%2Fm%2F04xrx

 

[suburbannature]

1 minute ago, Marshal_ac said:

People listen to AIWFC because it’s Christmas, not because they go out of their way to listen to a Mariah song. 
 

madonna has outsold every mariah album since like Ray of Light I think? Definitely bigger sales world wide. 

So explain why no other Xmas song is that big? Why couldn’t the other modern pop girls do it with their Xmas songs? 
 

Such a tired excuse for Mariah dominating two months of every year. Y’all wish your faves could 

 

 

[suburbannature]

2 minutes ago, Alongoria13 said:

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=madonna,%2Fm%2F04xrx

 

Note that “blessed Madonna” is one of the top searches

 

 

[tiagol88]

Honestly now...when was the last time both of them released albums around the same time and Mariah sold more? 1994? 

[KMO]

32 minutes ago, LosingHimWasBlue said:

AIWFCIY is arguably bigger than Mariah Carey itself. 

End of thread.

 

OT: in the USA maybe? I don’t think I’ve heard a Mariah song out and about (other than AIWFCIY) since I was a child here in Aus. Madonna’s classics spanning decades still get airplay everywhere. Mariah was huge in the 90s here, from what I gather though, and both are still household names.

Edited January 19 by KMO

[suburbannature]

2 minutes ago, tiagol88 said:

Honestly now...when was the last time both of them released albums around the same time and Mariah sold more? 1994? 

Emancipation - 10 million. Confessions around 9 despite Madonna stans trying to push it to 10. 
 

@stevyy has the complete numbers with Asia.

[tiagol88]

4 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

Emancipation - 10 million. Confessions around 9 despite Madonna stans trying to push it to 10. 
 

@stevyy has the complete numbers with Asia.

Coadf:

 

Confessions On A Dancefloor (2005)

• America
  • US – 1,850,000
  • Canada – 525,000
  • Argentina – 110,000
  • Brazil – 140,000
  • Mexico – 150,000
• Asia – 940,000
  • Japan – 600,000
• Oceania
  • Australia – 200,000
  • New Zealand – 25,000
• Europe – 5,190,000
  • UK – 1,400,000
  • France – 950,000
  • Germany – 625,000
  • Italy – 475,000
  • Spain – 230,000
  • Sweden – 150,000
  • Netherland – 175,000
  • Switzerland – 140,000
  • Austria – 60,000
  • Finland – 55,000
• World – 9,325,000

TEOM:

• America
  • US – 6,150,000
  • Canada – 325,000
  • Argentina – N/A
  • Brazil – 80,000
  • Mexico – 30,000
• Asia – 520,000
  • Japan – 330,000
  • Taiwan – 35,000
  • South Korea – 30,000
  • Hong Kong – 40,000
  • Singapore – 5,000
• Oceania
  • Australia – 130,000
  • New Zealand – 20,000
• Europe – 1,250,000
  • UK – 660,000
  • France – 185,000
  • Germany – 120,000
  • Italy – 40,000
  • Spain – 10,000
  • Sweden – 10,000
  • Netherlands – 35,000
  • Switzerland – 20,000
  • Austria – 10,000
  • Finland – N/A
• World – 8,600,000

Coadf outsold everywhere but the USA...and even there it's eligible for 2 X Platinum. In Europe it surpassed 5 X Platinum. This is over 7 million in those 2 places alone. I'm not even counting Mexico, Canada, any Asian countries, Oceania and south America where she's huge i- 

[suburbannature]

1 minute ago, tiagol88 said:

Coadf:

 

Confessions On A Dancefloor (2005)

• America
  • US – 1,850,000
  • Canada – 525,000
  • Argentina – 110,000
  • Brazil – 140,000
  • Mexico – 150,000
• Asia – 940,000
  • Japan – 600,000
• Oceania
  • Australia – 200,000
  • New Zealand – 25,000
• Europe – 5,190,000
  • UK – 1,400,000
  • France – 950,000
  • Germany – 625,000
  • Italy – 475,000
  • Spain – 230,000
  • Sweden – 150,000
  • Netherland – 175,000
  • Switzerland – 140,000
  • Austria – 60,000
  • Finland – 55,000
• World – 9,325,000

TEOM:

• America
  • US – 6,150,000
  • Canada – 325,000
  • Argentina – N/A
  • Brazil – 80,000
  • Mexico – 30,000
• Asia – 520,000
  • Japan – 330,000
  • Taiwan – 35,000
  • South Korea – 30,000
  • Hong Kong – 40,000
  • Singapore – 5,000
• Oceania
  • Australia – 130,000
  • New Zealand – 20,000
• Europe – 1,250,000
  • UK – 660,000
  • France – 185,000
  • Germany – 120,000
  • Italy – 40,000
  • Spain – 10,000
  • Sweden – 10,000
  • Netherlands – 35,000
  • Switzerland – 20,000
  • Austria – 10,000
  • Finland – N/A
• World – 8,600,000

Coadf outsold everywhere but the USA...and even there it's eligible for 2 X Platinum. In Europe it surpassed 5 X Platinum. This is over 7 million in those 2 places alone. I'm not even counting Mexico, Canada, any Asian countries, Oceania and south America where she's huge i- 

That is wildly inaccurate. I’m screaming. 
 

 

[Vrx.]

In the USA, yes:

 

 

Globally, Madonna is still more relevant:

 

 

Done

[1DES]

34 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

Note that “blessed Madonna” is one of the top searches

 

 

Dua her impact. 

[suburbannature]

There’s a reason why Madonna stans are relying on irrelevant Google Trends (that include Blessed Madonna) and ignoring global streaming stats, Mariah dominating two months every year with her own music, and her musical impact in today’s songs, her TikTok relevance, and downplaying Asia. I’ll leave it at that.