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QUEEN OF JAPAN Poll: Ayumi vs. Namie vs. Koda vs. Utada


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    • Ayumi Hamasaki
      48
    • Namie Amuro
      64
    • Koda Kumi
      17
    • Utada Hikaru
      85
    • Perfume (teehee!)
      18


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Just now, suburbannature said:

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Namie's artistic vision is basic, she's a better vocalist and dancer sure. But artistically she's very basic compared to ayu, utada and even Kumi. 

 

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Just now, Hongbin said:

Namie's artistic vision is basic, she's a better vocalist and dancer sure. But artistically she's very basic compared to ayu, utada and even Kumi. 

 

Maybe her last few albums, but not in her peak run. The other girlies seem so generic in comparison, sadly. 

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2 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

Maybe her last few albums, but not in her peak run. The other girlies seem so generic in comparison, sadly. 

Ayu, utada and kumi were pushing the envelop way more than namie ever was.

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3 minutes ago, Hongbin said:

Ayu, utada and kumi were pushing the envelop way more than namie ever was.

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Back to reality.

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ALL of these ladies are absolute QUEENS and literally are iconic legends, but the crown of the QUEEN OF JAPAN has to be Utada, and the sales and accomplishments and longevity have to agree.

 

Perfume though are the BEST out of all of them. Literally dominating 20 years later or however long it's been. Fucking icons, no one works as hard as them with their live shows. That being said their sound is getting a bit... 

 

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1 minute ago, suburbannature said:

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Back to reality.

Like I said before she had to retire to be relevant again.

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19 minutes ago, Reinvention said:

ALL of these ladies are absolute QUEENS and literally are iconic legends, but the crown of the QUEEN OF JAPAN has to be Utada, and the sales and accomplishments and longevity have to agree.

 

Perfume though are the BEST out of all of them. Literally dominating 20 years later or however long it's been. ****ing icons, no one works as hard as them with their live shows. That being said their sound is getting a bit... 

 

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Utada's droplets over the last 8 months alone demonstrate that she's the best of the bunch. Imagine being delusional and not believing that.

 

And I say that while currently bopping to Namie's music 

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On 7/22/2021 at 10:39 PM, Newt said:

Utada's droplets over the last 8 months alone demonstrate that she's the best of the bunch. Imagine being delusional and not believing that.

 

And I say that while currently bopping to Namie's music 

Currently, yes, by far but she was like an Adele in her prime years. Basic. Namie served experimentation and quality in her prime run. Too bad about her last few albums.

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1 hour ago, suburbannature said:

Currently, yes, by far but she was like an Adele in her prime years. Basic. Namie served experimentation and quality in her prime run. Too bad about her last few albums.

You're overstating how good Namie's music used to be and understating the quality Utada has served for decades. 

 

Quality-wise, Ayumi is the Adele of Japan. Namie is basically Gwen Stefani with a lot more success. Fun/mildly forward thinking/genre bending. Rihanna is another good comparison. 

 

It's not even worth comparing Utada to anyone. She's carved out her own name and space. She's on a different level. Pop artists can only reach that level when they're heavily involved in their craft (songwriting, lyrics, production, instrumentation, etc). 

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10 minutes ago, Newt said:

You're overstating how good Namie's music used to be and understating the quality Utada has served for decades. 

 

Quality-wise, Ayumi is the Adele of Japan. Namie is basically Gwen Stefani with a lot more success. Fun/mildly forward thinking/genre bending. Rihanna is another good comparison. 

 

It's not even worth comparing Utada to anyone. She's carved out her own name and space. She's on a different level. Pop artists can only reach that level when they're heavily involved in their craft (songwriting, lyrics, production, instrumentation, etc). 

:ahh: Jpop diva stans are kind of delusional, I’m realizing. 

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44 minutes ago, suburbannature said:

:ahh: Jpop diva stans are kind of delusional, I’m realizing. 

 

Akskdkla girl bye 

 

This is like when the Rihanna stans thought she was an experimental goddess for throwing in some electric guitar in Rated R :ahh:

 

 

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Just now, Newt said:

 

Akskdkla girl bye 

 

This is like when the Rihanna stans thought she was an experimental goddess for throwing in some electric guitar in Rated R :ahh:

 

 

Namie is well-cited as the Madonna/Janet of the JPop girls by music journalists because of her innovation and experimentation. I’m listening to C20 now and it has several industrial rock tracks and she was making mid-2000s hip-hop-infused R&B before most of the American girlies caught on. Utada was cute in an Adele/Celine kind of way, but her music was wildly vanilla and safe. She’s much better now with her droplets.

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2 hours ago, suburbannature said:

Namie is well-cited as the Madonna/Janet of the JPop girls by music journalists because of her innovation and experimentation. I’m listening to C20 now and it has several industrial rock tracks and she was making mid-2000s hip-hop-infused R&B before most of the American girlies caught on. Utada was cute in an Adele/Celine kind of way, but her music was wildly vanilla and safe. She’s much better now with her droplets.

Citing comparisons from music journalists isn't a rigorous argument, nor is it particularly meaningful. 

 

Utada literally pioneered R&B Music into the mainstream jpop world. What exactly was safe about doing things your own way and everyone following your lead? And after all of the girls jumped on the R&B/hip hop bandwagon, Utada once again did things her way and started making dreamy, ethereal musical landscapes from a mix of a bunch of different genres. Namie was more focused with putting on a show with her music as an entertainer, while Utada was putting out emotionally salient music. Nothing wrong with either approach but its pretty absurd to say that Utada wasn't innovating and making impressive strides in her artistry. Exodus alone is more impressive than anything Namie has ever done in her career (bar Easy Breezy :ahh:).

 

Utada has touched at least as many genres as Namie ever has. And unlike Namie, she wasn't just singing over Avax Traxs handed to her. You bring up C20, when Namie doesn't have a single credit on the entire album. Namie wasn't making anything back then. I'll give credit to the producer, songwriters and label team before crediting Namie. The only thing she gave to the music were vocals and are we going to pretend her basic vocals were serving anything the other girls couldn't? Utada is nowhere near being a top vocalist, yet she remains one of the most beloved voices in jpop. 

 

This is a pointless circular argument, because we're just basically talking about musical preferences at this point. You think Utadas old music is basic and I think most of Namies music is basic. Let's just agree to disagree :giraffe:

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That retort is essentially, “You’re right, but let’s deflect to writing credits instead.” You can’t just write off actual unbiased, educated music journalists because they disprove your narrative.

 

Namie was doing R&B before Utada even debuted - and with one of the biggest Japanese albums ever (aka it wasn’t some isolated venture into R&B). 
 

Sorry, sweetie.

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Utada stans have for the longest felt the need to constantly and consistently bring down every other jpop act :rip: they can’t stand the fact that there is more than one successful abd talented female act, literally the liddos of jpop 

 

OT: Miss Amuro :heart:

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3 minutes ago, SupremeGoddess said:

Utada stans have for the longest felt the need to constantly and consistently bring down every other jpop act :rip: they can’t stand the fact that there is more than one successful abd talented female act, literally the liddos of jpop 

 

OT: Miss Amuro :heart:

I’m picking up on that :rip: 

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2 hours ago, SupremeGoddess said:

Utada stans have for the longest felt the need to constantly and consistently bring down every other jpop act :rip: they can’t stand the fact that there is more than one successful abd talented female act, literally the liddos of jpop 

 

OT: Miss Amuro :heart:

Oh come on now. This whole thread has been 9 pages of bickering and shade throwing amongst every stan group. 

 

I've stated multiple times that I enjoy Namie's music for what it is. 

 But if someone's gonna claim delusional nonsense (like Utada's music is basic and lacks innovation compared to Namie :rip:), well then they're fishing for a reaction and they're gonna get it. I suppose a hit dog will holler :heart:

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