skyandground Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Ultimate flop album = an album that spends only 1 week in the Top 50 on Billboard 200 or even worse. Only solo studio albums are counted. Albums released before an artist obtained mainstream success (like Katy Hudson) aren't counted either. It's about the downfall after an artist had a good commercial run. First ultimate flop studio albums: 5th: Katy Perry - Smile (5-54-) Can Smile return to the Top 50 in the future? 6th: Avril Lavigne - Head Above Water (13-113-Out) 7th: Norah Jones - Pick Me Up Off The Floor (87-Out) 8th: Christina Aguilera - Liberation (6-98-Out) 12th: Celine Dion - Courage (1-111-134-170-Out) - Only English-language studio albums are considered 14th: Madonna - Madame X (1-77-Out) 15th: Mariah Carey - Caution (5-55-163-Out) Feel free to add more examples. Link to post Share on other sites
Quenn Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 minute ago, My Tears Ricochet said: EIL, Future Nostalgia Spent several weeks in the Top 50. Work on those comprehension skills! Ot: Poor Katy and Avril Link to post Share on other sites
My Tears Ricochet Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Quenn said: Spent several weeks in the Top 50. Work on those comprehension skills! Ot: Poor Katy and Avril Didn't read the OP Still eligible for "Ultimate first flop studio albums" Link to post Share on other sites
skyandground Posted September 16, 2020 Author Share Posted September 16, 2020 32 minutes ago, My Tears Ricochet said: Didn't read the OP Still eligible for "Ultimate first flop studio albums" It's called "ultimate" for a reason. It takes artists with longevity 10+ albums to reach that stage. Those petty stan war'd flop definitions shouldn't be used here. Link to post Share on other sites
trainsskyscrapers Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 @skyandground - Barbara Streisand's 11th studio album What About Today (1969). It was her first non-Christmas project to peak outside of the top 12 (and debuted at #32), did not receive acclaim as she moved from her usual torch songs to contemporary "Beatles-pop", and it's one of her only albums to never receive RIAA Certification. Link to post Share on other sites
DearSociety13 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Carly Rae Jepsen - Dedicated Side B Kiss - 2012 - #6 Emotion - 2015 - #16 Dedicated - 2019 - #18 Dedicated Side B - 2020 - OUT Dedicated Side B is technically a studio album, it had lots of signed merch, vinyls, cds etc.. to help with its debut chart positions. But it still couldn’t crack the Top 200. Even Emotion Side B (an EP) managed to crack the Top 70. I’m interested to see how Carly’s next project will do. Because despite not having much mainstream success with her singles, both of her previous studio albums managed to hit the Top 20. Link to post Share on other sites
Meev Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Troye's latest EP 'In a Dream' is basically a ultimately flop. 70-OUT Link to post Share on other sites
Pedro Labre Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Britney never had one Link to post Share on other sites
The7thStranger Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 If an album hit number one, did it really flop? Link to post Share on other sites
Ice Cream Skies Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 I'm actually completely shocked Norah Jones bombed that hard. Link to post Share on other sites
skyandground Posted October 16, 2020 Author Share Posted October 16, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Pedro Labre said: Britney never had one There'a a reason why Celine, Madonna, Mariah, Avril, Alicia and Norah all got their first one-week Top 50 studio albums in the past two years. Streaming isn't kind to old girls. Edited October 16, 2020 by skyandground Link to post Share on other sites
brainmaniac Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 24 minutes ago, skyandground said: There'a a reason why Celine, Madonna, Mariah, Avril, Alicia and Norah all got their first one-week Top 50 studio albums in the past two years. Streaming isn't kind to old girls. So then it’s not about them having a major flop for the first time. Cause they’ve all flopped before. But charting standards are relative for their time period and this is considered normal flopping for an older pop girl nowadays. Link to post Share on other sites
brainmaniac Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Pedro Labre said: Britney never had one She’s next though. Her album sales are similar to these girls Link to post Share on other sites
allforyou Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Queen Janet doesn't have one Link to post Share on other sites
Enzolorenzo Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 (edited) 55 minutes ago, skyandground said: There'a a reason why Celine, Madonna, Mariah, Avril, Alicia and Norah all got their first one-week Top 50 studio albums in the past two years. Streaming isn't kind to old girls. 28 minutes ago, brainmaniac said: She’s next though. Her album sales are similar to these girls I’m not saying that her next studio album won’t do it, but Glory was in the streaming era and she didn’t drop out of the top 50. We’ll see Edited October 16, 2020 by Enzolorenzo Link to post Share on other sites
brainmaniac Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Enzolorenzo said: I’m not saying that her next studio album won’t do it, but Glory was in the streaming era and she didn’t drop out of the top 50. We’ll see No, 2016 wasn’t part of the streaming era, not the current streaming era that we know of now. Compare the digital sales that year to now and see how much they have dropped dramatically as streaming rose 2018 is when the shift happened and if Glory had been released that year or later it would have met the same fate as those albums. You see how Mood Ring failed to chart despite doing well on iTunes and that’s a prime example of how much streaming has changed things since 2018. Link to post Share on other sites
Enzolorenzo Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 hour ago, brainmaniac said: No, 2016 wasn’t part of the streaming era, not the current streaming era that we know of now. Compare the digital sales that year to now and see how much they have dropped dramatically as streaming rose 2018 is when the shift happened and if Glory had been released that year or later it would have met the same fate as those albums. You see how Mood Ring failed to chart despite doing well on iTunes and that’s a prime example of how much streaming has changed things since 2018. Glory in its second week moved 24k units in the US, half of it was pure sales whereas the other half was thanks to SPS. 12k units alone would be enough to be top 50 on the BB200 so you’re wrong. Also I don’t see what Mood Ring has to do with this? It did well on iTunes because fans bought it and it’s not a very competitive platform anymore. It failed to chart on the Hot 100 because it wasn’t a single thus it had no airplay, no music video and no playlist support. If anything Mood Ring proves that whenever she decides to release a single she will easily chart Link to post Share on other sites
brainmaniac Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Enzolorenzo said: Glory in its second week moved 24k units in the US, half of it was pure sales whereas the other half was thanks to SPS. 12k units alone would be enough to be top 50 on the BB200 so you’re wrong. Also I don’t see what Mood Ring has to do with this? It did well on iTunes because fans bought it and it’s not a very competitive platform anymore. It failed to chart on the Hot 100 because it wasn’t a single thus it had no airplay, no music video and no playlist support. If anything Mood Ring proves that whenever she decides to release a single she will easily chart But Glory wouldn’t have had 24K second week in 2018/2020 either. Tracks sales helped contribute more to SPS back when iTunes was alive and Spotify was a bit more pop friendly then whereas now it’s almost all hip-hip Many of her fans thought Mood Ring would debut on The Hot 100 and didn’t realize how much The Hot 100 changed since 2016. They thought Britney had a stronger power than everyone who flopped since 2018, but she just happened to release in time before the change Pop radio has also changed a lot since 2016 and people her age don’t even chart on pop radio now. The labels know it’s pointless so they won’t even promote to pop radio, let alone have radio deals and Britney was still just young enough to get a radio deal in 2016 but now she’s almost 40 and most likely won’t get one next time Britney has no presence on the adult contemporary charts either. She’s going to suffer in streaming too since she’s not a rapper and is older. iTunes alone won’t help her chart now. And if she does get lucky and releases on a less competitive week she will debut very low and drop off within a week or so. Link to post Share on other sites
Bayouboy Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Lady G’s third album Artpop Link to post Share on other sites
ReachOut Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Hilary Duff - Breathe In. Breathe Out. 5 -> 65 Link to post Share on other sites
Pop Art Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Bayouboy said: Lady G’s third album Artpop Maybe read the OP next time instead of just dragging blindly? Link to post Share on other sites
Enzolorenzo Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, brainmaniac said: But Glory wouldn’t have had 24K second week in 2018/2020 either. Tracks sales helped contribute more to SPS back when iTunes was alive and Spotify was a bit more pop friendly then whereas now it’s almost all hip-hip Many of her fans thought Mood Ring would debut on The Hot 100 and didn’t realize how much The Hot 100 changed since 2016. They thought Britney had a stronger power than everyone who flopped since 2018, but she just happened to release in time before the change Pop radio has also changed a lot since 2016 and people her age don’t even chart on pop radio now. The labels know it’s pointless so they won’t even promote to pop radio, let alone have radio deals and Britney was still just young enough to get a radio deal in 2016 but now she’s almost 40 and most likely won’t get one next time Britney has no presence on the adult contemporary charts either. She’s going to suffer in streaming too since she’s not a rapper and is older. iTunes alone won’t help her chart now. And if she does get lucky and releases on a less competitive week she will debut very low and drop off within a week or so. Uhm where did I claim that Britney is going to do 24k second week with her next album? Even if she were to do 12k, which is half of what Glory did, she would still be top 50. And stop making stuff up nobody expected Mood Ring to chart, considering that it wasn’t a single and it was just a Japanese bonus track from 2016. And it doesn’t matter if she gets a radio deal or not, as long as she releases a music video along with a new single and gets some minimal airplay impression she’ll easily enter the Hot 100 Edited October 16, 2020 by Enzolorenzo Link to post Share on other sites
Bayouboy Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Pop Art said: Maybe read the OP next time instead of just dragging blindly? Oh it wasn’t a drag it was a fact. I can drag if you’d like? Link to post Share on other sites
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