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Why did Taylor surpass Carrie?

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Bentley
Just now, Quenn said:

That doesn't work when Carrie's last album was basically a pop album, sis :rip:

Where?! None of the singles were serviced to pop radio, no playlist support etc. I’m sorry quenn that’s not how it works :sorry:

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Bentley

Taylor and Shania ditched the country format and chased pop success... and therefore, they are not the queens of country and the format rightfully agrees by paying their material dust! 

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Mezik

I don’t get the hate for Carrie, and people acting as if Carrie isn’t one of the leading icons to come out of country music post 2000, her impact on the genre is definitely up there with Shania, Faith, Dolly & Reba. :rip: 

 

Carrie also is shy and reserved by nature, she would never last as a pop star. As well Carrie never tried to expand beyond country, she was comfortable with what she did and stuck to her formula. 
 

Taylor worked her ass off to be a worldwide sensation, and she was never one to shy away from switching up her styles. 
 

Some of y’all need to know you can acknowledge the main reasons for Taylor’s growth and success without diminishing the impact Carrie has had within country. Few artists have dominated their respective genres like Carrie dominated Country... hell she even in her ‘flop era’ on country radio still has had better success compared to other female artists who had massive hits. :ace: So let’s not act like Carrie is some flop who isn’t had a stable career.

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Quenn
Just now, Bentley said:

Where?! None of the singles were serviced to pop radio, no playlist support etc. I’m sorry quenn that’s not how it works :sorry:

Several publications and critics noted that the album itself was heavily influenced by pop and even R&B so therefore she clearly was catering to those markets with it. Anywho, Carrie may have scored some quick hits in the late 2000s but Dolly and Shania will always be the best selling country female artists of all time. On top of that, they're still very much remembered and cited as influences by several country artists to this day. Not everybody has that  :clap3:

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1989

The Carrie hate in this thread...:biblio:She’s THE best thing to come out of American Idol, has an amazing voice, and most of her discography is great. Carrie is amazing, and ATRL needs to show some respect. 
 

Carrie and Taylor were always friendly, too. Also, they only really “competed” against each other for maybe a year (2007-2008)? After the Fearless era, Taylor started the groundwork for a different career path, and Carrie focused in and became the new Queen of Country. Taylor might have been labeled ‘country’ for the Speak Now era and some of the Red era, but we all know how different it was. 
 

It feels so weird to compare these two today, when they’ve both excelled in what they intended to do. :michael:

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newwil7l
13 minutes ago, Quenn said:

That doesn't work when Carrie's last album was basically a pop album, sis :rip:

That was her first pop album though and she didn't even release any of the heavy pop songs as singles :rip:

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Quenn
Just now, newwil7l said:

That was her first pop album though and she didn't even release any of the heavy pop songs as singles :rip:

It was still a pop album so the narrative that Carrie has never branched out or catered to pop markets is simply untrue. My point is, y'all can't drag Dolly and Shania for that when Carrie literally did the same. 

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Mezik
3 minutes ago, Quenn said:

Several publications and critics noted that the album itself was heavily influenced by pop and even R&B so therefore she clearly was catering to those markets with it. Anywho, Carrie may have scored some quick hits in the late 2000s but Dolly and Shania will always be the best selling country female artists of all time. On top of that, they're still very much remembered and cited as influences by several country artists to this day. Not everybody has that  :clap3:

This weak attempt at shade just shows how uneducated you are on the country genre.

 

Almost every new female artist to emerge in country in the last decade has cited Carrie as an influence. Carrie is still very much seen as one of the faces of country music, 15-years into her career, as well as seen as an important figure head pushing forward the dialogue on the gender disparity in country music.

 

You lost all credibility when you acted as if she is some flop who had no staying power in the industry. Just admit you’re hateful and move on.

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supertiffany
12 minutes ago, 1989 said:

The Carrie hate in this thread...:biblio: She’s THE best thing to come out of American Idol, has an amazing voice, and most of her discography is great. Carrie is amazing, and ATRL needs to show some respect. 
 

Carrie and Taylor were always friendly, too. Also, they only really “competed” against each other for maybe a year (2007-2008)? After the Fearless era, Taylor started the groundwork for a different career path, and Carrie focused in and became the new Queen of Country. Taylor might have been labeled ‘country’ for the Speak Now era and some of the Red era, but we all know how different it was. 
 

It feels so weird to compare these two today, when they’ve both excelled in what they intended to do. :michael:

 

 

 

no KELLY CLARKSON is the BEST to come out of American Idol. Without Kelly there will be no idol, without idol there wont be Carrie.

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Bentley
13 minutes ago, Quenn said:

Several publications and critics noted that the album itself was heavily influenced by pop and even R&B so therefore she clearly was catering to those markets with it. Anywho, Carrie may have scored some quick hits in the late 2000s but Dolly and Shania will always be the best selling country female artists of all time. On top of that, they're still very much remembered and cited as influences by several country artists to this day. Not everybody has that  :clap3:

Quick hits? :skull:

 

She last like 15 or something plus number 1 hits on the country formats. Just admit you don’t like her and move on :bibliahh:

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Bentley
9 minutes ago, Quenn said:

It was still a pop album so the narrative that Carrie has never branched out or catered to pop markets is simply untrue. My point is, y'all can't drag Dolly and Shania for that when Carrie literally did the same. 

Pop leaning or not the album was only promoted to the country format... not spammed to pop audiences. She’s the queen of the country format and you’ll just have to deal! 🤷🏻‍♂️

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bluebirdsforever
14 minutes ago, 1989 said:

The Carrie hate in this thread...:biblio: She’s THE best thing to come out of American Idol, has an amazing voice, and most of her discography is great. Carrie is amazing, and ATRL needs to show some respect. 
 

Carrie and Taylor were always friendly, too. Also, they only really “competed” against each other for maybe a year (2007-2008)? After the Fearless era, Taylor started the groundwork for a different career path, and Carrie focused in and became the new Queen of Country. Taylor might have been labeled ‘country’ for the Speak Now era and some of the Red era, but we all know how different it was. 
 

It feels so weird to compare these two today, when they’ve both excelled in what they intended to do. :michael:

:cm:

 

Carrie and Taylor haven't been in the same lane since 2008 (2010 if you wanna push it).

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Bentley
3 minutes ago, supertiffany said:

 

 

 

no KELLY CLARKSON is the BEST to come out of American Idol. Without Kelly there will be no idol, without idol there wont be Carrie.

Kelly is great and so is Carrie, equally talented, and just a matter of opinion on who is better, no matter who emerged first on idol. And this is coming from someone who likes both of them equally. 

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Bentley

And back to the topic, Carrie’s discography is better than Taylor’s as well :) 

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Quenn
9 minutes ago, Mezik said:

This weak attempt at shade just shows how uneducated you are on the country genre.

 

Almost every new female artist to emerge in country in the last decade has cited Carrie as an influence. Carrie is still very much seen as one of the faces of country music, 15-years into her career, as well as seen as an important figure head pushing forward the dialogue on the gender disparity in country music.

 

You lost all credibility when you acted as if she is some flop who had no staying power in the industry. Just admit you’re hateful and move on.

It still doesn't compare to Dolly and Shania's gigantic influence over mainstream artists like Taylor Swift and Miley Cyrus. Do you see any publications hailing Carrie Underwood as the "queen of country?"  Exactly. I'm not trying to discredit her or her achievements but some of y'all really have some nerve trying to erase their legacy and give her that title when she hasn't even achieved a third of what they have achieved. 

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Bentley
Just now, Quenn said:

It still doesn't compare to Dolly and Shania's gigantic influence over mainstream artists like Taylor Swift and Miley Cyrus. Do you see any publications hailing Carrie Underwood as the "queen of country?"  Exactly. I'm not trying to discredit her or her achievements but some of y'all really have some nerve trying to erase their legacy and give her that title when she hasn't even achieved a third of what they have achieved. 

Like you just said, mainstream influence. None of the new country girls cite Taylor as an inspiration or influence, they name Carrie, hence the queen of country title. 

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Quenn
3 minutes ago, Bentley said:

And back to the topic, Carrie’s discography is better than Taylor’s as well :) 

Thankfully the critics beg to differ, Camila Cabello stan :) 

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Bentley
1 minute ago, Quenn said:

Thankfully the critics beg to differ, Camila Cabello stan :) 

As if critics are commendable :) 

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Quenn
2 minutes ago, Bentley said:

Like you just said, mainstream influence. None of the new country girls cite Taylor as an inspiration or influence, they name Carrie, hence the queen of country title. 

Except they always name actual country legends like Dolly and Shania before her. Nobody was calling Taylor the queen of country. 

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Bentley
1 minute ago, Quenn said:

Except they always name actual country legends like Dolly and Shania before her.

Maybe before Carrie debuted lol 

 

2 minutes ago, Quenn said:

Nobody was calling Taylor the queen of country. 

You’ve certainly been up in arms about it for the last hour or so :ahh:

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odin_envy_me

Bentley doing the Lord's work here educating you all...

 

So, on the whole, I think Taylor is undeniably a one-for-the-ages talent. No one should be denying that. But I'm really not here for the Carrie disrespect. She is probably the greatest country vocalist of all time, her run on country radio is awe-inspiring, she's won them GRAMMYs, she pulls incredible tour numbers, and her best-selling album outsold Taylor's best-selling album. Let's not do the most.

 

To answer the question, honestly, I think Carrie just never wanted what Taylor wanted. She held back pop remixes of her hits (including Before He Cheats). She worked with Max Martin for exactly one song ( a great song) and then never went back. I think her choice of collaborations are illustrative too: she's collaborated with contemporary country stars (Miranda Lambert, Brad Paisley, Keith Urban), and non-country legends (Aerosmith, Tony Bennett), but never a contemporary popstar. I'm sure she had opportunities to get a top 40 featured appearance, but she just didn't want it.

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Quenn
1 minute ago, Bentley said:

As if critics are commendable :) 

So a Camila Cabello stan on ATRL is more credible than critics who have been objectively reviewing music for years and years? Good to know :) 

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Bentley
Just now, Quenn said:

So a Camila Cabello stan on ATRL is more credible than critics who have been objectively reviewing music for years and years? Good to know :) 

Yes, we are all critics. And please don’t act like the ones working for publications aren’t paid to write and say nice things :toofunny2:

 

And what does Camila have to do with any of this? You’re deflecting :toofunny2:

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odin_envy_me

Oh, also, she's going to become the first woman to win the ACM Entertainer of the Year award THRICE in less than 24 hours, so there's that.

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Quenn
2 minutes ago, odin_envy_me said:

her best-selling album outsold Taylor's best-selling album.

:ahh:

 

Y'all are hilarious. Go stream Carrie's POP collab with Ludacris (a mainstream rapper) before y'all embarrass yourselves even further.

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