Communion

Kamala Harris exposed for defending prison slave labor

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Communion
2 minutes ago, frenchyisback said:

Foreign policy just happens to be the issue I care most about

So you want the woman with almost no foreign policy work as VP and her very little, if any, being embarrassing, right-wing, and bad?

 

Whew chile lmao :skull:

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One Rude Boy
33 minutes ago, rihannabiggestfan said:

Wbk. For the locals:

 

 

This. We've known this for a while :rip: But the OT is just further evidence of her ways

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Communion
Just now, Sirnight said:

Having a polarising figure is not what America needs.

Are you actually suggesting "poor people shouldn't be used as slave labor by the state" is a polarizing opinion to hold? :skull:

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Sirnight
14 minutes ago, Communion said:

How does keeping low-level, non-violent criminals who were largely in for crimes fueled by poverty incarcerated so you can sacrifice them to help put out dangerous fires helping to maintain law and order?

Because they exhibit behaviours that are not acceptable in our society and should be rightfully punished. But as your're pointing out it's only one part of the solution. The other one is social and includes working towards the inclusion of those people into our society and this goes through better schooling, more awareness of their potential in the society presented to them early on. But you just can't pass over their faults, imo.

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rihannabiggestfan
1 minute ago, Communion said:

Are you actually suggesting "poor people shouldn't be used as slave labor by the state" is a polarizing opinion to hold? :skull:

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Communion
Just now, Sirnight said:

Because they exhibit behaviours that are not acceptable in our society and should be rightfully punished. 

The Supreme Court... literally disagreed. So much for your claim of being for "Law & Order".

 

Also why do all the people supporting Biden type in non-American English? Why is his most dedicated following not even American? Why is it always non-Americans claiming Americans are too moderate, self-interested, and conservative for progressivism? :skull:

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ClashAndBurn
16 minutes ago, rihannabiggestfan said:

Why are Gaga stans center-right or right-wing 99% of the time? :bibliahh: You DESERVE Trump. America needs CHANGE. People are on the streets asking for it! Again, imagine supporting moderacy during a pandemic. Did you happen to be born in the Baby Boomer era?

 

Lemme guess, you want increased funding for the police? You're out of order! :supaspaz:

Well, Trump was the one who practically jumpstarted Gaga's US career, to be fair. Miss Universe 2008 was her first major gig.

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One Rude Boy
22 minutes ago, Sirnight said:

It's truly saddening that Kamala Harris shies away from her record because the vocal part of the left is so anti-order. America is in an authority crisis right now and people like her who could bring the balance between social justice and keeping the order is what is needed. Unfortunately the loud voices seem to be only ones to express their opinion or have the mics tended to them

 

May the moderates prevail as they have so far with Biden in the primary and squash the extremist fringes of both parties to unite that nation.

Do you typically vote republican? I'm not being shady, it actually seems like you vote republican

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rihannabiggestfan

The way Europeans want to keep all the progressivism in their own continent :rip: "none for America!"

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Sirnight
2 minutes ago, Communion said:

The Supreme Court... literally disagreed. So much for your claim of being for "Law & Order".

 

Also why do all the people supporting Biden type in non-American English? Why is his most dedicated following not even American? Why is it always non-Americans claiming Americans are too moderate, self-interested, and conservative for progressivism? :skull:

And I disagree with their ruling, and I guess her office did so as well. The problem as I read the article is that they exceeded the threshold. More prisons should have been built, if anything.

Also, considering how much America is impacting our political life in France through BLM I express the right to react to your politics. Your soft power is so important on us the other westeners we just can't ignore you.

4 minutes ago, One Rude Boy said:

Do you typically vote republican? I'm not being shady, it actually seems like you vote republican

In my country I'm a centrist (Macron/Blair style),  which would be equivalent to HRC in the US.

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Sirnight
1 minute ago, rihannabiggestfan said:

The way Europeans want to keep all the progressivism in their own continent :rip: 

If Bernie had had more support during the primaries I would have a different opinion. But he miserably failed to mobilize in a high profile primary to decide who would run against the most hated incumbent of all recent memory in the US. Your people just aren't ready for the socialisation of certain parts the economy. Until they have to experience a Marshall Plan themselves at least.

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Sergi91

My goddess the trump re-election committee has infiltrated Atrl and it’s the same 4 users  :toofunny2: 

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Bloo
9 minutes ago, Sirnight said:

If Bernie had had more support during the primaries I would have a different opinion. But he miserably failed to mobilize in a high profile primary to decide who would run against the most hated incumbent of all recent memory in the US. Your people just aren't ready for the socialisation of certain parts the economy. Until they have to experience a Marshall Plan themselves at least.

This is a pretty reductive view of the primaries, though. All polling data from the primaries indicated that Sanders was the most liked on nearly all issues. Biden only led on the issue of foreign policy. What won Biden the primary was the subjective idea that he was electable and most likely to beat Trump. You can’t rely on the results of a primary largely based on electability to measure where Americans, let alone Democratic voters, fall on the issues. 

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Communion
17 minutes ago, Sirnight said:

And I disagree with their ruling, and I guess her office did so as well.

 

Also, considering how much America is impacting our political life in France through BLM I express the right to react to your politics

But her office has no authority under the hierarchal structure of the law to disagree??? jknjkjnjnj :skull:

 

No one is saying you have no right to say what you think, but you're making broad suggestions about Americans as a political demographic that are just simply false. Your framing of Americans are moderates or conservatives is off-base let alone from the fact that Bernie's policies garnered more support than Biden's alone in the primary. A majority of Democrats and Independents support having a single-payer system. 

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ClashAndBurn
1 minute ago, Bloo said:

he was electable and most likely to beat Trump.

Which of course was nonsense and only showed how out of touch Democrats are with the Independents they need to actually, you know... win :rip: 

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ClashAndBurn
9 minutes ago, Sergi91 said:

My goddess the trump re-election committee has infiltrated Atrl and it’s the same 4 users  :toofunny2: 

The only Trump re-election committee here is the Biden campaign, which is trying their hardest to alienate as many progressive voters as they possibly can. :fan: 

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1 minute ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Which of course was nonsense and only showed how out of touch Democrats are with the Independents they need to actually, you know... win :rip: 

I also think it’s unfortunate because any of the candidates that ran could have beat Trump in this ecosystem. Using some weird political calculus to project likelihood is a flawed metric. People should be voting on who they think would make for the best president. I wish that was a standard approach to the primaries, but evidently that’s not the case. 

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Sirnight
1 minute ago, Bloo said:

This is a pretty reductive view of the primaries, though. All polling data from the primaries indicated that Sanders was the most liked on nearly all issues. Biden only led on the issue of foreign policy. What won Biden the primary was the subjective idea that he was electable and most likely to beat Trump. You can’t rely on the results of a primary largely based on electability to measure where Americans, let alone Democratic voters, fall on the issues. 

Not really as Biden would have had a really hard time if Buttigieg/Minnesota Sen./Bloomberg didn't drop out right before Super Tuesday. There were more people willing to vote in the center than for Bernie, not necessarily Biden. Even Warren wasn't totally on Bernie's side as she isn't his brand of left either: she's a proud reformist while he's more of a revolutionist,  which doesn't sit well with voters as well.

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ClashAndBurn
Just now, Bloo said:

I also think it’s unfortunate because any of the candidates that ran could have beat Trump in this ecosystem. Using some weird political calculus to project likelihood is a flawed metric. People should be voting on who they think would make for the best president. I wish that was a standard approach to the primaries, but evidently that’s not the case. 

Pete would have been a much tougher sell. A gay politician will never be successful in a nationwide election in this country. That's just a fact, especially since we're still regarded as second-class citizens in states like mine that can still fire you for being gay (being a right-to-work state, they can come up with any excuse they want to, even if it's not the real one).

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A Bomb

Disgusting. Hoping her vp dreams that were built on jailing, and enslaving Black and brown bodies are demolished. 

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ClashAndBurn
1 minute ago, Sirnight said:

Even Warren wasn't totally on Bernie's side as she isn't his brand of left either: 

And the traitorous snake will never be forgiven for that. Never.

 

Going to be fun to watch her get primaried in 2024. Her failure in the presidential race shows she's weak even in her own home state.

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@michael

Kamala Harris Is A Cop

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Bloo
1 minute ago, Sirnight said:

Not really as Biden would have had a really hard time if Buttigieg/Minnesota Sen./Bloomberg didn't drop out right before Super Tuesday. There were more people willing to vote in the center than for Bernie, not necessarily Biden. Even Warren wasn't totally on Bernie's side as she isn't his brand of left either: she's a proud reformist while he's more of a revolutionist,  which doesn't sit well with voters as well.

Nothing you said dismantles the idea that electability was the fuel behind the consolidation around Biden. A supermajority of Democratic voters support Medicare For All, a bill supported by Sanders and abjectly opposed by Biden. Additionally, every single poll from the primaries showed that a strong majority of Democratic primary voters listed their top priority as “beating Trump”. Electability was the most prolific issue. The other candidates endorsing him all at once made Biden look electable. 
 

As for Warren, she likely was playing politics in the way of hoping for a VP spot. She literally got into the world of politics by opposing Biden on credit card companies. I think it’s... odd to claim she’s more in the vein of Biden politically than Sanders. She very well may be personally. But that’s not why she amassed as much support as she had. People liked her because she gave the impression that she was a legitimate economic populist. 

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Communion
1 minute ago, Sirnight said:

Not really as Biden would have had a really hard time if Buttigieg/Minnesota Sen./Bloomberg didn't drop out right before Super Tuesday. There were more people willing to vote in the center than for Bernie, not necessarily Biden. Even Warren wasn't totally on Bernie's side as she isn't his brand of left either: she's a proud reformist while he's more of a revolutionist,  which doesn't sit well with voters as well.

This is, again, false as polling showed Biden/Bernie overlapped more in voters than anyone else while Buttigieg/Warren overlapped in voters more  than anyone else. Voters are not ideological, they're cultural. 

 

Buttigieg and Warren presented two different versions of technocratic wonkery - they appealed to people through the hope that intelligence and status resonated. Biden and Bernie campaigned similarly on emotion - Biden campaigning on the fear of the present and the safety of a return to the past, while Bernie campaigned on the idea of a brighter and better tomorrow. 

 

Bernie was largely undone by being attacked from all candidates as unelectable (even his former ally Warren tried to smear him as a sexist when she saw she was losing suburban women to him, which just helped Biden) and his refusal to go dirty and make the same kind of "he's unelectable" arguments against Joe Biden. 

 

Agian, what you're saying is just easily disproven by hard facts and data.

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