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Progressive delegates to Biden: "Medicare For All or Bust"

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Communion
3 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

M4A is not the one, single, only way to achieve universal healthcare. Political purists on the fringe left are insufferable and hardly "progressive" with how much they compromise any real, plausible, achievable progress.

 

Americans in every state have / had the chance to vote on whether they wanted the current M4A bill. They overwhelmingly rejected it. Not just congress, not just the DNC, but American VOTERS.

The fact that every single line in this is factually wrong and that it has been explained why at length in this very thread for everyone to see. The shilling for Aetna. :ahh:

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Miss Show Business
6 hours ago, Communion said:

The fact that every single line in this is factually wrong and that it has been explained why at length in this very thread for everyone to see. The shilling for Aetna. :ahh:

What is factually wrong here, Communion?

Medicare for All is a single bill. Do you REALLY believe Bernie's bill is the ONLY bill that can achieve 100% coverage? That's ridiculous!

 

Voters chose JOE BIDEN.

 

You LOST THE PRIMARY. (Again!)

 

You LOST on Medicare for All. (Again!)

 

You LOST on the Green New Deal. (Yup... AGAIN!)

 

You LOST on ALL of the issues you and other fauxgressives told us voters cared about.

 

Joe Biden OVERWHELMINGLY won the primary. Bernie lost like 20% support in EVERY SINGLE state he was on the ballot this year! Joe Biden won every single COUNTY in states like Florida and Michigan, the latter which he WON in 2016. How the HELL do you go from WINNING a state against a popular establishment politician to TANKING in the same state just four years later?

 

You love to come into these politics threads and say "wOrMz fOr BrAiNz", "AlL oF tHis Is FaCtUaLlY wRoNg", and drag people for trashing Saint Bernie, but the GAG is you still supporting him when literally ALL the facts are against you and he keeps TANKING in every single state! He can't even get the things you want DONE, but you still have the nerve to say he's the ONLY person who can achieve things like universal healthcare?! :bibliahh:Joe Biden ACTUALLY GOT expanded healthcare passed 10 years ago.

 

The other GAG is how POOR you are at understanding politics and government and how things actually WORK, how POOR you are at convincing people WHY we should support these policies, how POOR you and the Bernouts in general are at building coalitions, etc. Let's add on to the fact that Joe and Bernie are literally building a progressive outreach platform TOGETHER but y'all can't shut up about trashing Joe Biden for one SECOND to realize he's trying to appeal to you and maybe even compromise on certain policies. Literally not a single CLUE, yet you come into these threads berating other people's political knowledge / understanding. :dies:

 

 

 

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Communion
Posted (edited)
22 minutes ago, Miss Show Business said:

What is factually wrong here, Communion?

Medicare for All is a single bill. Do you REALLY believe Bernie's bill is the ONLY bill that can achieve 100% coverage? 

Considering it is the only bill proposed by any Democrat that establishes universal healthcare, yes.

 

I'm sorry you simply do not understand how healthcare works or what "universal healthcare" means. 

Poor people deserve better than two-tiered healthcare scraps. 

 

Again, since you seem terribly confused - no other developed nation in the world uses the system Biden is proposing where the sole coverage a majority of a nation's people have is provided by for-profit, private healthcare. This is simply an objective fact. I'm sorry if this fact hurts your feelings or is an inconvenience but facts are facts regardless of your feelings to them.

 

You and Biden's loyalty to private insurance co's is literally killing people in a pandemic. Please have self-respect and respect for the people literally *dying* because they cannot afford to go to the doctor. There is no rational or moral argument that healthcare must be something to make a profit off of.

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frenchyisback
Posted (edited)
9 hours ago, Miss Show Business said:

 

The other GAG is how POOR you are at understanding politics and government and how things actually WORK, how POOR you are at convincing people WHY we should support these policies, how POOR you and the Bernouts in general are at building coalitions, etc. Let's add on to the fact that Joe and Bernie are literally building a progressive outreach platform TOGETHER but y'all can't shut up about trashing Joe Biden for one SECOND to realize he's trying to appeal to you and maybe even compromise on certain policies. Literally not a single CLUE, yet you come into these threads berating other people's political knowledge / understanding. :dies:

 

:1stplace: @Miss Show Business You are the MVP.

 

Too bad he's too slow to get it. Good news is that it'll probably keep him & fauxgressives losing and thus as irrelevant in american politics as the non-voting foreigners he was talking about in his Trumpster imitation.

 

Fauxgressives are so heavenly minded that they are no earthly good! 

 

We need people like Biden who can actually get healthcare expanded for people with real life bills... while the Fauxgressives can continue their  "intellectual arguments" for another 100 years (like they did the past 100 years).

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karron0624
10 hours ago, Miss Show Business said:

What is factually wrong here, Communion?

Medicare for All is a single bill. Do you REALLY believe Bernie's bill is the ONLY bill that can achieve 100% coverage? That's ridiculous!

 

Voters chose JOE BIDEN.

 

You LOST THE PRIMARY. (Again!)

 

You LOST on Medicare for All. (Again!)

 

You LOST on the Green New Deal. (Yup... AGAIN!)

 

You LOST on ALL of the issues you and other fauxgressives told us voters cared about.

 

Joe Biden OVERWHELMINGLY won the primary. Bernie lost like 20% support in EVERY SINGLE state he was on the ballot this year! Joe Biden won every single COUNTY in states like Florida and Michigan, the latter which he WON in 2016. How the HELL do you go from WINNING a state against a popular establishment politician to TANKING in the same state just four years later?

 

You love to come into these politics threads and say "wOrMz fOr BrAiNz", "AlL oF tHis Is FaCtUaLlY wRoNg", and drag people for trashing Saint Bernie, but the GAG is you still supporting him when literally ALL the facts are against you and he keeps TANKING in every single state! He can't even get the things you want DONE, but you still have the nerve to say he's the ONLY person who can achieve things like universal healthcare?! :bibliahh:Joe Biden ACTUALLY GOT expanded healthcare passed 10 years ago.

 

The other GAG is how POOR you are at understanding politics and government and how things actually WORK, how POOR you are at convincing people WHY we should support these policies, how POOR you and the Bernouts in general are at building coalitions, etc. Let's add on to the fact that Joe and Bernie are literally building a progressive outreach platform TOGETHER but y'all can't shut up about trashing Joe Biden for one SECOND to realize he's trying to appeal to you and maybe even compromise on certain policies. Literally not a single CLUE, yet you come into these threads berating other people's political knowledge / understanding. :dies:

 

 

 

And that’s a wrap y’all. No other comments are needed here.

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Communion
1 hour ago, frenchyisback said:

:1stplace: @Miss Show Business You are the MVP.

 

Too bad he's too slow to get it. Good news is that it'll probably keep him & fauxgressives losing and thus as irrelevant in american politics as the non-voting foreigners he was talking about in his Trumpster imitation.

 

Fauxgressives are so heavenly minded that they are no earthly good! 

 

We need people like Biden who can actually get healthcare expanded for people with real life bills... while the Fauxgressives can continue their  "intellectual arguments" for another 100 years (like they did the past 100 years).

 

8 minutes ago, karron0624 said:

And that’s a wrap y’all. No other comments are needed here.

Liberalism summed up by a rejection of science and facts in favor of performative outrage and empty grandstanding that doesn't actually say anything or produce anything material. 

 

Liberals who reject the science regarding Medicare For All are just as guilty of murder as conservatives who reject the science regarding COVID-19. :heart2:

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frenchyisback
16 minutes ago, Communion said:

 

Liberalism summed up by a rejection of science and facts in favor of performative outrage and empty grandstanding that doesn't actually say anything or produce anything material. 

 

Honey, Biden produced the ACA that gave healthcare to 20 Million people. 

How many people are covered by your "Medicare4All"? :rip:

 

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karron0624
18 minutes ago, Communion said:

 

Liberalism summed up by a rejection of science and facts in favor of performative outrage and empty grandstanding that doesn't actually say anything or produce anything material. 

 

Liberals who reject the science regarding Medicare For All are just as guilty of murder as conservatives who reject the science regarding COVID-19. :heart2:

Your post is the definition of grandstanding. Everyone is saying there is more than one way to get to Universal Healthcare in America, but the Medicare for All bill is not it. The fact you can’t grasp that concept is on you.

 

But if you want the moral superiority, go for it. I’m done with you today.

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karron0624
3 minutes ago, frenchyisback said:

Honey, Biden produced the ACA that gave healthcare to 20 Million people. 

How many people are covered by your "Medicare4All"? :rip:

 

Let’s not make statements that are to difficult for M4A or busters to understand. I would just leave them be. The vote already failed. Their bill has failed. What they should be doing is trying to restructure the M4A bill into something that will actually pass and get signed.

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Communion
28 minutes ago, karron0624 said:

Your post is the definition of grandstanding. Everyone is saying there is more than one way to get to Universal Healthcare in America, 

And you're being told of the fact that out of the myriad of ways UHC is achieved in the world, not a single Democrat offered a plan modeled after any of them. Why isn't Biden actually for copying the German or Dutch models if yall want to point out their existence? Yes, single payer is not the only form of UHC so why did no Dems offer a plan following any of these other models of universal healthcare systems?

 

Recognizing a fact is grandstanding? Why do you feel so confident speaking on healthcare around the world when obviously not informed?

 

Why does no other country in the developed world use Biden's preferred system?

 

34 minutes ago, frenchyisback said:

Honey, Biden produced the ACA that gave healthcare to 20 Million people. 

How many people are covered by your "Medicare4All"? :rip:

 

Mitt Romney is the architect of the ACA, which isn't universal healthcare. The ACA's key components that benefit insurance companies are the most unpopular aspects of it. The most popular aspects of the law? The Medicaid expansion and protections for those for pre-existinng conditions which they try to make the program more universal, but this is up-ended by the fact that millions of Americans are under-insurned aka they can afford the premium but not the deductible. 

 

Why does no other country in the developed world use Biden's preferred system?

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37 minutes ago, Communion said:

Mitt Romney is the architect of the ACA, which isn't universal healthcare.

So BOTH Romney & Biden gave real life healthcare in Massachusetts & Nationwide to more people than Bernie & his phantom healthcare: medicare4all. :rip:

 

Who's the performative :clown: again?

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Communion
28 minutes ago, frenchyisback said:

So BOTH Romney & Biden gave real life healthcare in Massachusetts & Nationwide to more people than Bernie & his phantom healthcare: medicare4all. :rip:

 

Who's the performative :clown: again?

No, both sentenced people to a death sentence of having to pay unrealistic premiums just to have the "right" to then have to pay thousands to hit a sky-high deductible, which is why the US is the only country in the developed world where people die in the tens of thousands yearly because they can't *afford* to go to the doctor. 

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9 hours ago, frenchyisback said:

Honey, Biden produced the ACA that gave healthcare to 20 Million people. 

How many people are covered by your "Medicare4All"? :rip:

 

ACA barely gave healthcare to people. It’s more like a 10-30% discount on BASIC ****. If ACA is so AFFORDABLE, why are people still begging on GoFundMe for basic medical expenses 🤔

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onlystans
On 7/28/2020 at 11:53 PM, Miss Show Business said:

What is factually wrong here, Communion?

Medicare for All is a single bill. Do you REALLY believe Bernie's bill is the ONLY bill that can achieve 100% coverage? That's ridiculous!

 

Voters chose JOE BIDEN.

 

You LOST THE PRIMARY. (Again!)

 

You LOST on Medicare for All. (Again!)

 

You LOST on the Green New Deal. (Yup... AGAIN!)

 

You LOST on ALL of the issues you and other fauxgressives told us voters cared about.

 

Joe Biden OVERWHELMINGLY won the primary. Bernie lost like 20% support in EVERY SINGLE state he was on the ballot this year! Joe Biden won every single COUNTY in states like Florida and Michigan, the latter which he WON in 2016. How the HELL do you go from WINNING a state against a popular establishment politician to TANKING in the same state just four years later?

 

You love to come into these politics threads and say "wOrMz fOr BrAiNz", "AlL oF tHis Is FaCtUaLlY wRoNg", and drag people for trashing Saint Bernie, but the GAG is you still supporting him when literally ALL the facts are against you and he keeps TANKING in every single state! He can't even get the things you want DONE, but you still have the nerve to say he's the ONLY person who can achieve things like universal healthcare?! :bibliahh:Joe Biden ACTUALLY GOT expanded healthcare passed 10 years ago.

 

The other GAG is how POOR you are at understanding politics and government and how things actually WORK, how POOR you are at convincing people WHY we should support these policies, how POOR you and the Bernouts in general are at building coalitions, etc. Let's add on to the fact that Joe and Bernie are literally building a progressive outreach platform TOGETHER but y'all can't shut up about trashing Joe Biden for one SECOND to realize he's trying to appeal to you and maybe even compromise on certain policies. Literally not a single CLUE, yet you come into these threads berating other people's political knowledge / understanding. :dies:

 

 

 

 ur aware that its people like you that disillusion progressives from the biden platform right? just bc they dont agree with you and biden is the only choice doesnt mean you need to degrade someones intelligence. its especially ironic considering this is exactly what you guys criticize the left for. most (if not all) of the progressives i know (myself included) are going to absolutely vote for biden, and its possible for him to win a lot more people if we build a coalition that allows criticism and differences in opinions. 

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Miss Show Business
8 hours ago, onlystans said:

 ur aware that its people like you that disillusion progressives from the biden platform right? just bc they dont agree with you and biden is the only choice doesnt mean you need to degrade someones intelligence. its especially ironic considering this is exactly what you guys criticize the left for. most (if not all) of the progressives i know (myself included) are going to absolutely vote for biden, and its possible for him to win a lot more people if we build a coalition that allows criticism and differences in opinions. 

I absolutely believe in criticism and holding politicians to account. What I will not stand for is rejecting the only candidate capable of beating this literal fascist because you don't like him. I'm very left-minded myself, I just cannot stand the ones who enforce impossible purity tests and use baseless personal attacks and falsities to drag other candidates down. Your focus should always be what you believe your candidate is capable of getting done and why you think others should support them. Not "iF yOu DoNt VoTe fOr BeRnIe YoU wAnT pOoR pEoPlE tO dIe"

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On 7/28/2020 at 11:53 PM, Miss Show Business said:

What is factually wrong here, Communion?

Medicare for All is a single bill. Do you REALLY believe Bernie's bill is the ONLY bill that can achieve 100% coverage? That's ridiculous!

 

Voters chose JOE BIDEN.

 

You LOST THE PRIMARY. (Again!)

 

You LOST on Medicare for All. (Again!)

 

You LOST on the Green New Deal. (Yup... AGAIN!)

 

You LOST on ALL of the issues you and other fauxgressives told us voters cared about.

 

Joe Biden OVERWHELMINGLY won the primary. Bernie lost like 20% support in EVERY SINGLE state he was on the ballot this year! Joe Biden won every single COUNTY in states like Florida and Michigan, the latter which he WON in 2016. How the HELL do you go from WINNING a state against a popular establishment politician to TANKING in the same state just four years later?

 

You love to come into these politics threads and say "wOrMz fOr BrAiNz", "AlL oF tHis Is FaCtUaLlY wRoNg", and drag people for trashing Saint Bernie, but the GAG is you still supporting him when literally ALL the facts are against you and he keeps TANKING in every single state! He can't even get the things you want DONE, but you still have the nerve to say he's the ONLY person who can achieve things like universal healthcare?! :bibliahh:Joe Biden ACTUALLY GOT expanded healthcare passed 10 years ago.

 

The other GAG is how POOR you are at understanding politics and government and how things actually WORK, how POOR you are at convincing people WHY we should support these policies, how POOR you and the Bernouts in general are at building coalitions, etc. Let's add on to the fact that Joe and Bernie are literally building a progressive outreach platform TOGETHER but y'all can't shut up about trashing Joe Biden for one SECOND to realize he's trying to appeal to you and maybe even compromise on certain policies. Literally not a single CLUE, yet you come into these threads berating other people's political knowledge / understanding. :dies:

 

 

 

Ugh.

 

How is it that Americans espouse both that voters make decisions based on electability and that their votes are representative of their opinions on policy?
 

and in the same thread someone says some **** about waiting to push M4A till after the election for the sake of electability like hello :rip:

 

It’s such a simple contradiction. You guys really buy bull**** and then expand extensively on it:rip:

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AnotherGagaFan

Electability made the Republicans a white nationalist party. Why are Democrats and their realpolitiks so brain dead 

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Communion
4 hours ago, Miss Show Business said:

 I'm very left-minded myself

"I'm very left-minded!"

*spends entire primary shilling for candidates who are shilling for private insurance companies' right to make money off of denying dying people healthcare*

 

Someone describing themselves as ~left~/~progressive~ has been completely meaningless.

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rihannabiggestfan

I have that "I'm very left-minded myself" member on ignore. Easily one of the least "left-minded" members on ATRL, don't fall for the bull****.

 

It's like Trump calling himself "the LEAST racist person"

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Vertigo Stick
9 hours ago, Communion said:

"I'm very left-minded!"

*spends entire primary shilling for candidates who are shilling for private insurance companies' right to make money off of denying dying people healthcare*

 

Someone describing themselves as ~left~/~progressive~ has been completely meaningless.

The way people opposed to Donald Trump views themselves as progressives simply because they oppose him :deadbanana2: 

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xDiamondx

The way anti Trumpers try to say they're progressives despite sharing the same economic philosophy as Trump :deadbanana:  

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