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Progressive delegates to Biden: "Medicare For All or Bust"

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18 minutes ago, Mother Earth said:

when you mention the fact that wiping out private insurance will NEVER happen

"This thing supported by a majority of Americans is unrealistic because my geriatric white supremacist of a candidate has to keep his #1 donor Blue Cross Blue Shield happy so suck it up and accept that 50,000 Americans die yearly due to lack of access to care".

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Mother Earth
Just now, Communion said:

"This thing supported by a majority of Americans is unrealistic because my geriatric white supremacist of a candidate has to keep his #1 donor Blue Cross Blue Shield happy so suck it up and accept that 50,000 Americans die yearly due to lack of access to care".

Let's see how many Americans are happy with a three year wait list for a hip replacement because they have no access to private health insurance to speed that up for them. Americans are so self-serving that they refuse to wear masks during a global pandemic because it's a mild hindrance to their breathing. Democrats wouldn't have a shot to see the presidency again for a decade. And they'd deserve it.

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Communion
2 minutes ago, Mother Earth said:

Let's see how many Americans are happy with a three year wait list for a hip replacement because they have no access to private health insurance to speed that up for them. 

 

ANTI-M4A TALKING POINT MYTH BINGO!

 

YOUR LETTER IS B4!

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Mother Earth
1 minute ago, Communion said:

 

ANTI-M4A TALKING POINT MYTH BINGO!

 

YOUR LETTER IS B4!

Unfortunately, for us that live in the real world, it's not a myth. 7 million Brits wouldn't be unnecessarily paying solely for faster access to healthcare and 14% of  British people waiting for a planned medical treatment wouldn't be choosing to wait over 9 months for their planned treatment if it was a myth. I feel a slight sense of pity for the state of delusion that you live in that you think the government can pay for all medical, dental, vision expenses, and more at no cost to the American citizen. No other country has been able to pull it off, because it's not possible, and a culturally heterogeneous country of 330 million won't be able to be the first to successfully do it.

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frenchyisback

@Communion

 

First, regarding the AMA, it's always interesting when progressives turn around and say that unions dont represents workers and unions are really a big lobby.:dies:

 

Secondly, I am not sure why you re bringing up some coalition I never mentioned as if it changes the fact that the AMA still opposes medicare for all & still support improving Obamacare.

 

Also, once again, you brush off my concerns about longer waiting time to see my doctor and just preach about how morally superior you are.

No wonder y'all keep loosing elections! You have so much disdain for the professional class. Maybe work on a better plan that will address that concern.

 

Canadians don't wait for serious procedures?


 

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In the U.S. the average wait time for a first-time appointment is 24 days (≈3 times faster than in Canada); wait times for Emergency Room (ER) services averaged 24 minutes (more than 4x faster than in Canada); wait times for specialists averaged between 3–6.4 weeks (over 6x faster than in Canada).

 

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/hospital-physician-relationships/patient-wait-times-in-america-9-things-to-know.html#targetText=1.,2

 

 


 

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Communion
6 minutes ago, Mother Earth said:

7 million Brits wouldn't be unnecessarily paying solely for faster access to healthcare and 14% of  British people waiting for a planned medical treatment wouldn't be choosing to wait over 9 months for their planned treatment if it was a myth. 

and yet somehow the NHS is still considered the crowning achievement of greater British society and one of the rally points to protect it from privatization!

 

Odd how for all the claims of M4A being too expensive, why doesn't then Joe Biden release a plan like Canada's where primary care is covered for everyone but we leave dental and vision to private companies? If banning duplicative coverage is too controversial, why doesn't Biden release a plan to put everyone on a government plan but still allow duplicative coverage?

 

Y'all keep being shills for big insurance by trying to claim M4A is "too ambitious" of a form of universal healthcare yet ignoring that it was the *only* universal healthcare plan proposed by OVER 22 DEMOCRATS. The most ambitious non-Sanders plan is still leagues lower than even the lowest quality of European universal healthcare in terms of coverage.

 

Biden doesn't hate M4A because it's ~too risky~. He's against it cause his puppet masters are private insurance companies.

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Posted (edited)
11 minutes ago, frenchyisback said:

@CommunionFirst, regarding the AMA, it's always interesting when progressives turn around and say that unions dont represents workers and unions are really a big lobby.:dies:

 The majority of the culinary union in Nevada voted  for Bernie because the grassroots of the union - the actual membership - supports Medicare For All. Odd how you can't seem to grasp the class differences between union leadership and working class union members (likely because you yourself are affluent and hate poor people). The AMA only "opposes" M4A in name only because 100 leadership delegates voted and a *tiny* majority of 53/100 voted to keep the opposition in place - all of this despite mass membership protests against leadership to drop it.

 

Odd how the AMA's decision to maintain opposition won by a smaller margin than M4A wins in terms of support when polling Americans.

 

And your point was fully addressed. The goal isn't to convince you. You're a class supremacist who flat out says you think you should cut in line of sick people by throwing money at doctors. By getting you to admit your disgusting bigotry towards poor people, we've tricked you into alienating the people you need to convince and now the conversation's clearly someone like you who laughs at 50k poor people dying a year versus people trying to stop those deaths.

 

This is basically you:

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I'm glad that everyone reading can see openly that those against M4A are honest that they do not like poor people, do not want to share their doctors with poor people, and find poor people to be lesser than them. Own your truth! Own your views!

 

I will keep posting it anytime Joe Biden is mentioned no matter how much it upsets you - poor people are not less than you because you have more money! Poor people don't deserve to die for being poor!

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frenchyisback
3 minutes ago, Communion said:

and yet somehow the NHS is still considered the crowning achievement of greater British society and one of the rally points to protect it from privatization!

 

It's such a rallying point that Corbin lost elections after elections to the people who kept cutting it. 

And that the multiple leftist government before did just the same thing.

 

:rip:

 

Now Johnson is finally paying attention to it cause they saved his life but let's not act like he got the "average citizen" treatment. 

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Just now, frenchyisback said:

It's such a rallying point that Corbin lost elections after 

Jeremy Corbyn* (:skull:) lost because his neoliberal party forced him to side with maintaining membership in the EU, which poor neoliberal trade agreements, job loss and globalization made a sore point for working class voters, the former staple of Labour.

 

The Tories literally ran the #Brexit campaign on the slogan of putting all the money they'd save from not sending it to the EU into the NHS. The NHS is so popular in Britain that the Tories have to use double-speak and plot from the shadows on how to destroy it. 

 

I don't think you understand what you're trying to speak on. 

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Mother Earth

  

5 minutes ago, Communion said:

and yet somehow the NHS is still considered the crowning achievement of greater British society and one of the rally points to protect it from privatization!

 

Odd how for all the claims of M4A being too expensive, why doesn't then Joe Biden release a plan like Canada's where primary care is covered for everyone but we leave dental and vision to private companies? If banning duplicative coverage is too controversial, why doesn't Biden release a plan to put everyone on a government plan but still allow duplicative coverage?

 

Y'all keep being shills for big insurance by trying to claim M4A is "too ambitious" of a form of universal healthcare yet ignoring that it was the *only* universal healthcare plan proposed by OVER 22 DEMOCRATS. The most ambitious non-Sanders plan is still leagues lower than even the lowest quality of European universal healthcare in terms of coverage.

 

Biden doesn't hate M4A because it's ~too risky~. He's against it cause his puppet masters are private insurance companies.

I haven't said a single damn thing about Joe Biden or the lack of support from other Democrats for a universal healthcare insurance plan. This is you projecting.

 

All I've said is that Bernie's plan and the complete removal of private health insurance from the United States would be a disaster. And it would be.

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Communion
1 minute ago, Mother Earth said:

All I've said is that Bernie's plan and the complete removal of private health insurance from the United States would be a disaster. And it would be.

Well, first you said it was impossible. Now you're making factually incorrect statements.

 

FYI - if you're posting for a European IP,  no working class American cares that you hypocritically think M4A is bad. :heart:

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Posted (edited)
11 minutes ago, Communion said:

Jeremy Corbyn* (:skull:) lost because his neoliberal party forced him to side with maintaining membership in the EU, which poor neoliberal trade agreements, job loss and globalization made a sore point for working class voters, the former staple of Labour.

 

The Tories literally ran the #Brexit campaign on the slogan of putting all the money they'd save from not sending it to the EU into the NHS. The NHS is so popular in Britain that the Tories have to use double-speak and plot from the shadows on how to destroy it. 

 

I don't think you understand what you're trying to speak on. 

You're missing the point. If it's was the great rallying point you speak of, then all the other issues still wouldn't matter.

It seems to me that Brexit was the rallying point not measly NIH.

 

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Mother Earth
3 minutes ago, Communion said:

Well, first you said it was impossible. Now you're making factually incorrect statements.

 

FYI - if you're posting for a European IP,  no working class American cares that you hypocritically think M4A is bad. :heart:

What’s factually incorrect? It is impossible. Unfeasible. Unthinkable. If it was possible, a much smaller and culturally homogenous country would have pulled it off.

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Just now, Mother Earth said:

What’s factually incorrect? 

You claiming it would "be horrible". That's easy to say as a privileged European living your lux life never having to fear you'll die because you can't afford a doctor. My uncle died because he had to ration his god damn insulin. We don't need you to scold us on what we as the American working class need, especially when it's something you take for granted in having. 

 

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Just now, Communion said:

You claiming it would "be horrible". That's easy to say as a privileged European living your lux life never having to fear you'll die because you can't afford a doctor. My uncle died because he had to ration his god damn insulin. We don't need you to scold us on what we as the American working class need, especially when it's something you take for granted in having. 

 

:heart:

I live in New York. :skull: What’s wrong with you?

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Posted (edited)
3 minutes ago, Mother Earth said:

I live in New York. :skull: 

Then why would you mention "us who live in reality" and then go on to cite.... British statistics? Your reality isn't Britain and any suggestion that the US is more efficient at treating people than the NHS should have you laughed out of this conversation for being a troll. :skull:

 

How about citing some statistics in your own god damn country, like 50,000 dying yearly from not being able to afford a doctor - something that doesn't happen in the countries you're trying to cite statistics about delays for.

 

Wanna know what the ultimate delay is? ****ing dying. :skull:

 

Your obsession with hating Bernard and poor Americans is weird and you're just not in touch with what people actually feel about Medicare For All. Maybe you should join us in reality where thousands are dying from a pandemic and millions just lost their employer-provided health insurance. 

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frenchyisback
1 minute ago, Communion said:

That's easy to say as a privileged European living your lux life never having to fear you'll die because you can't afford a doctor. :heart:

I just can't :dies:

 

I think you should focus some of that fiesty energy toward "getting to happy" my friend.

 

 

 

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Communion
Just now, frenchyisback said:

I just can't :dies:

 

What we see you can't do is answer a single point raised over your trollish arguments.

 

We're waiting, sis. Bragging about making nearly six figures doesn't replace articulation and argument.

Please explain why you feel more entitled to see a doctor than a poor person sicker than you because you have money.

 

Thank you.

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Any of you in here who are against a basic RIGHT should be ashamed of yourselves! 

 

We need a nationalized healthcare system and the poor excuse we have now is just not enough. People should NOT be paying tens of thousands of dollars for medical care! It's f*cking outrageous!  :mad:

 

Biden sucks though for not even supporting it. TRASH! 

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Posted (edited)
17 minutes ago, frenchyisback said:

You're missing the point. If it's was the great rallying point you speak of

It was the great rallying point - working class Brits believed the globalist EU was taking their NHS money and voted for the party who swore to force the UK out of the EU. :skull: What's not clicking?

 

These were *literally* the campaign ads by the Leave group:

 

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2 minutes ago, Communion said:

It was the great rallying point - working class Brits believed the globalist EU was taking their NHS money and voted for the party who swore to force the UK out of the EU. :skull: What's not clicking?

 

These were *literally* the campaign ads by the Leave group:

 

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They run more against the polish immigrants. Ironically, many of the people they want out are actually eastern European Nurses which are crucial to the NHS.

 

So much for caring about the NHS.

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Mother Earth
3 minutes ago, Communion said:

Then why would you mention "us who live in reality" and then go on to cite.... British statistics? Your reality isn't Britain and any suggestion that the US is more efficient at treating people than the NHS should have you laughed out of this conversation for being a troll. :skull:

 

How about citing some statistics in your own god damn country, like 50,000 dying yearly from not being able to afford a doctor - something that doesn't happen in the countries you're trying to cite statistics about delays for.

 

Wanna know what the ultimate delay is? ****ing dying. :skull:

 

Your obsession with hating Bernard and poor Americans is weird and you're just not in touch with what people actually feel about Medicare For All. Maybe you should join us in reality where thousands are dying from a pandemic and millions just lost their employer-provided health insurance. 

How would I be able to quote United States statistics on a healthcare system I’m critiquing that hasn’t been implemented here ever? The only person out of touch here is you. Go tell the average American that you’re taking away their current health insurance, and replacing it with something that’s 3x as slow with no opportunity to afford a quicker option. Go tell the average American that their root canal or hip replacement can be done in a year and no sooner. Let me know how they feel about that.

 

You can cover basic health necessities of poor people that can’t afford it without promising EVERYONE that ALL of their medical expenses will be covered by a public mandated system.

 

Like I said in my first post, every time basic flaws are pointed out in Bernie’s policies, it gets turned into “you hate poor people”. Tell me why Europe and Canada and Australia rely on private health insurance in order for comprehensive health coverage and we won’t need private health insurance at all under Bernie’s plan instead of throwing out ****ty ad hominems and making bingo jokes. 

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frenchyisback
20 minutes ago, Communion said:

 

What we see you can't do is answer a single point raised over your trollish arguments.

 

We're waiting, sis. Bragging about making nearly six figures doesn't replace articulation and argument.

Please explain why you feel more entitled to see a doctor than a poor person sicker than you because you have money.

 

Thank you.

I don't. That's why I support the public option.

If it's so great and people need it, they'll opt in. No need to force them. People are self interested so they'll do what's best for them. If they see the rates are better, they jump off their pvt healthcare. And if they can't afford it, there will be subsidies.

 

You're just being the type of socialist we've always been warned about: uncompromising & dangerously angry.

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13 minutes ago, Mother Earth said:

How would I be able to quote United States statistics on a healthcare system I’m critiquing that hasn’t been implemented here ever? The only person out of touch here is you. Go tell the average American that you’re taking away their current health insurance, and replacing it with something that’s 3x as slow with no opportunity to afford a quicker option. Go tell the average American that their root canal or hip replacement can be done in a year and no sooner. Let me know how they feel about that.

 

You can cover basic health necessities of poor people that can’t afford it without promising EVERYONE that ALL of their medical expenses will be covered by a public mandated system.

 

Like I said in my first post, every time basic flaws are pointed out in Bernie’s policies, it gets turned into “you hate poor people”. Tell me why Europe and Canada and Australia rely on private health insurance in order for comprehensive health coverage and we won’t need private health insurance at all under Bernie’s plan instead of throwing out ****ty ad hominems and making bingo jokes. 

Again, the bold is not true and your refusal to admit that you do not want to do the hard work done to make Bernie's vision a reality cannot be separated from your hostility and hatred for poor people. It's not an ad hominem to address how it's only "impossible" and "not worth it" of a fight to you because you believe in false information and lies that you spread to center your experience of wanting to hoard healthcare for yourself and away from poor people.

 

Sanders himself says M4A is ambitious, but it's only right that the richest country in the world provides the best healthcare.

 

How can the UK afford to give every one of its citizens free at point-of-service primary care that includes comprehensive mental healthcare but the US can't entitle every one of its citizens basic primary care not even including mental healthcare? For all the talk about gun deaths that anti-Sanders folks talk about, the main cause of gun deaths in the US is suicide. Most gun victims are people who shoot themselves with a gun in their head with the intent to die. And yet the richest country in the world can't say "you've made enough billions, that money needs to ensure people can go see a therapist"? Joe Biden doesn't care that the poor kill themselves?

 

Anyone who understands how healthcare works knows that Sanders advocates for abolishing private insurance as that is the *only way* you will achieve cost reduction under the American system. If you do not want to abolish private insurance, you have said Aetna and Cigna and BCBS's CEOs making billions is more important of a goal for society than poor people not dying. You're prioritizing the right for a minority class of the rich to make money over the right of people to go to a doctor.

 

That speaks volumes. Own that. 

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BGXKB
11 hours ago, Alaska. said:

Good, better to have Trump in charge for 4 more years than Biden and moderates ruining the left for good

Some people’s lives have been ruined by Trump’s presidency. If what’s happening right now isn’t a wake up call that Trump is a horrible president who must be replaced with anyone better then I don’t know what will wake people up.

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