Karla Cabello

should atrl start banning trump supporters?

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Trent W
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5 minutes ago, Tropez said:

But they are not. Racism, is not the same as a political ideology on the left of capitalism. 
 

What you are saying is a serious issue on WHAT is extreme speech. Which can be used badly to shut down anything that opposes your point of view. Essentially creating a system of censorship. 
 

This is the issue with free speech. Is a society truly tolerant if it is intolerant of an opposing opinion. 

I do understand your point of view, but from my point of view Communism leads into the same hell that Racism does, limited rights, no free speech and government officials killing you for no reason.

 

I mean Cuban citizens have less rights in their country than black Americans in America.

 

 

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KillingYourCareer
1 minute ago, ZIVERT said:

Living with and dealing with Trump nuts on a daily basis, I think it goes beyond regular conservatism. Many of these people are literally delusional and can’t be argued with using logic or reason, it’s really quite scary tbh :biblio: 

 

At least with normal conservatives, both sides can use statistics and real life examples. These lunatics think America is on the verge of being attacked and that Trump is standing at the front line protecting us from this imaginary enemy :mazen:

I see a lot of delusion from both sides of the spectrum, with increasing level the more the subject is extremized. There are many types of Trump supporters. We have the rational majority, and we have the so-called "very fine people" who are an unfortunate minority. Same with the left wing of the spectrum. Just consider how they voted in Brazil - the socially liberal south voted for Bolsonaro, the socially conservative north voted for Haddad. One could be voting for Trump simply because they're fiscally conservative and would never want to live in a socialist country, so judging people solely based on that is just wrong. :michael:

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ProudLBS

the mods should ban everyone because we all spend too much time here

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Karla Cabello
21 minutes ago, rihannabiggestfan said:

We should ban extreme neoliberals first - the Trump supporters of the left :cm:

 

what? neoliberalism is right wing lol. read your books

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frenchyisback

Nah, just ban the virus-deniers.

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Tropez
14 minutes ago, Trent W said:

I do understand your point of view, but from my point of view Communism leads into the same hell that Racism does, limited rights, no free speech and government officials killing you for no reason.

 

I mean Cuban citizens have less rights in their country than black Americans in America.

 

 

But thats not. For that to happen would be an out right revolution never seen before. The Western world isnt going to collapse to communism anytime soon. You legit sound like those people that believe whites are under attack. 
 

Again, the two are not the same. A fascist state is more likely than that communist takeover youre fearing. 

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rihannabiggestfan
17 minutes ago, NMiguelCosta said:

Not when neoliberals are more anti-left than they're anti-right nowadays. 

3 minutes ago, Karla Cabello said:

what? neoliberalism is right wing lol. read your books

Drag me! Clearly they're right of center, especially at this point, they just pretend they're on the left. Maybe I should have put left in quotes :lakitu: it's ironic that they hate Republicans/Trump so much when...

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Mirtilo
5 minutes ago, KillingYourCareer said:

the socially liberal south voted for Bolsonaro, the socially conservative north voted for Haddad. 

Wrong. The economic liberal but socially conservative voted for Bolsonaro (aka the right). Everywhere in Brazil. They are not much different from neoliberals being Republican. 

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KillingYourCareer
8 minutes ago, Mirtilo said:

Wrong. The economic liberal but socially conservative voted for Bolsonaro (aka the right). Everywhere in Brazil. They are not much different from neoliberals being Republican. 

The southern states of Brazil are the most socially liberal, yet they heavily voted Bolsonaro :rip:

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VOSS

You tell me, Karla Cabello.  Should we start banning supporters of racists?

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Phuccery, Inc.
1 hour ago, Pheromosa said:

ATRL would NEVER be that progressive

 

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Mirtilo
Just now, KillingYourCareer said:

The southern states of Brazil are the most socially liberal, yet they heavily voted Bolsonaro :rip:

Again, another wrong information

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Quando se olha para o que aconteceu na divisão geográfica do conservadorismo percebe-se que o Sudeste tornou-se mais conservador do que o Nordeste. O crescimento conservador foi constante nos estados mais ricos do Brasil, como São Paulo e Rio de Janeiro, tanto entre 2010 e 2016 quanto entre 2016 e 2018. Já no conjunto dos estados nordestinos, mais pobres, houve refluxo do conservadorismo nos dois últimos anos, segundo o Ibope.

Como resultado, a proporção de conservadores só não é maior hoje no Sudeste do que no Norte/Centro-Oeste. Foi no conjunto dessas duas regiões que o conservadorismo deu seu maior salto nos dois últimos anos. Em contraste com essa mudança, não houve variação significativa nos estados do Sul entre 2016 e 2018. O índice de conservadorismo hoje é equivalente no Nordeste e no Sul do país.

https://piaui.folha.uol.com.br/grafico-conservadorismo/

 

The Southeast became more conservative between 2010 and 2016; while the Northeast became less. Today, the South is just as conservative as the Northeast, while the Southeast is only less conservative than the North/Central-West. Brazil as a whole is mostly conservative.

Imagine thinking that most people who defend causes like abortion and gay adoption would ever vote for Bolsonaro:rip:

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John Slayne
1 hour ago, rihannabiggestfan said:

We should ban extreme neoliberals first - the Trump supporters of the left :cm:

 

since when are neoliberals considered leftists? :toofunny2:

 

OT: Yes, he's fully mask off now and everyone still supporting him is associating themselves with fascism and white supremacy

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KillingYourCareer
1 minute ago, Mirtilo said:

Again, another wrong information

https://piaui.folha.uol.com.br/grafico-conservadorismo/

 

The Southeast became more conservative between 2010 and 2016; while the Northeast became less. Today, the South is just as conservative as the Northeast, while the Southeast is only less conservative than the North/Central-West. Brazil as a whole is mostly conservative.

Imagine thinking that most people who defend causes like abortion and gay adoption would ever vote for Bolsonaro:rip:

The reality is that straights are the great majority of the population, and to most of them, gay rights aren't a priority. A gay would still feel safer in SC/RS than in MA/PE still :michael:

 

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Os brasileiros contrários à legalização do aborto eram 78% em 2016 e são 80% em 2018.

These numbers are a mess tho. :skull:

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gotportugal

Depends on what aspect of Trump they support. If their purely supporters of his economic policy then no....

 

but basically if they start spewing hate around like he the devil does. then yeah sure

 

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Jan

Sure, if we ban the far-leftwingers too.

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T.C

No one should be banned simply for having different political views for you. That’s a little fascist. 

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T.C
2 hours ago, ZIVERT said:

Living with and dealing with Trump nuts on a daily basis, I think it goes beyond regular conservatism. Many of these people are literally delusional and can’t be argued with using logic or reason, it’s really quite scary tbh :biblio: 

You do realise you’re describing the crazy communist left-wingers on here too yeah? 

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americanlife

No. Don't silence people because of their political views. Unless they are spreading around misinformation or racist, homophobic, etc. stuff, no reason to ban them.

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Alessandra
3 hours ago, Trent W said:

I do understand your point of view, but from my point of view Communism leads into the same hell that Racism does, limited rights, no free speech and government officials killing you for no reason.

 

I mean Cuban citizens have less rights in their country than black Americans in America.

 

 

This is the most ridiculous thing I have read in my entire time on ATRL. Please read a book or something. If that's too hard for you, there is a wikipedia entry.

 

And no, I'm not a defender of communism. But for you to equate it to white supremacy it is so incredibly offensive and repugnant that I really have no words. 

 

And, as someone with an Afro-Cuban parent, please leave us out of your bullsh*t. If you don't really know our history then SHUT THE F*CK UP.

 

 

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Trent W
11 minutes ago, Alessandra said:

This is the most ridiculous thing I have read in my entire time on ATRL. Please read a book or something. If that's too hard for you, there is a wikipedia entry.

 

And no, I'm not a defender of communism. But for you to equate it to white supremacy it is so incredibly offensive and repugnant that I really have no words. 

 

And, as someone with an Afro-Cuban parent, please leave us out of your bullsh*t. If you don't really know our history then SHUT THE F*CK UP.

 

 

I know communism make countries ROT.  Cuba , Venezuela, North Korea etc.
 

And I’ll say it again because you seem to have a problem of reading comprehension:

 

White Supremacy being the worse doesn’t make Communism any less dangerous.

 

Communism is getting normalized by some young and naive people and we have to erase that false idea, is extremely dangerous.

 

 

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Pheromosa
3 hours ago, KillingYourCareer said:

What's progressive about banning people based on their support for a conservative politician, exactly? I'm no Trump supporter, but banning anyone who has a different opinion - as long as it's respectful and within the rules of the site - isn't going to have any positive effects. Just face the fact that some people don't agree with you, and argue with them in a civil way instead of silencing them.

Anyone who supports someone that routinely incites violence towards minorities and encourages domestic terrorism is not worth being civil towards. Tolerating intolerance never works. 

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Caesar

No site is really banning Trump supporters. They are banning fake news, hate speech which (non surprisingly) surrounds trump supporters and his campaign.

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Caesar
3 hours ago, Trent W said:

I do understand your point of view, but from my point of view Communism leads into the same hell that Racism does, limited rights, no free speech and government officials killing you for no reason.

 

I mean Cuban citizens have less rights in their country than black Americans in America.

 

 

Communists aren’t spreading fake news nor hate speech. Far Right is literally based of non factual evidence, fake news, and hate speech.


Which is why they are being deleted.

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