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5 minutes ago, Elite Four Brad said:

also stop blaming everything on liz y'all...bernie should've dropped out when he had the heart attack and endorsed liz but that's a topic y'all will never understand through your brains

 

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I genuinely do not understand this baseless talking point. Especially given that Warren completely sold out her integrity by playing stupid games.

 

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6 minutes ago, MissDame said:

Biden supporters in here...:celestial5: 

 

@Buddy ...do your thing :gaycat5:

I consider myself a progressive, but it's over for Bernie based on ST, time to move onto skinny legend AOC!

 

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7 minutes ago, Bloo said:

I genuinely do not understand this baseless talking point. Especially given that Warren completely sold out her integrity by playing stupid games.

 

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Eh whatever, I can accept that Liz has lost and will sadly be voting for Biden, who was anything but my first choice

 

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hello.

 

Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib and Bernie Sanders are the best politicians in the US 

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3 minutes ago, Elite Four Brad said:

also stop blaming everything on liz y'all...bernie should've dropped out when he had the heart attack and endorsed liz but that's a topic y'all will never understand through your brains

 

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I personally do not blame her for Bernie's loss. I just think it's disappointing that she's unwilling to stand up for the progressive policies she ran on. Sis is refusing to fight for M4A - which would save 68,000 lives annually - because of snake emojis. SNAKE EMOJIS. Like, WTF.

 

My disappointment has nothing to do with Bernie at this point. It's just sad to see that her progressive convictions were never what was most important to her, if they were even important to her at all. Because of Liz, it's going to be hard for me to trust progressive candidates in the future. There will always be a degree of cynicism and suspicion sitting at the back of my head.

 

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lmao. Warren should not have run period. Bernie was the candidate with the momentum and the movement coalesced behind him. Warren did nothing but act like a spoiler, soaked up resources,  and embarrass herself in her home state.

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I love Warren and she is right about the Bernie Bros... They are too puritanical. You can disagree with compromising too early without totally degrading and demonizing someone. With that said Bernie should’ve stood by the people supporting him.

 

tbqh Bernie shouldn’t have run as a Democrat. He’s don’t nothing to make the party better from the inside even though he had already run for president. Elizabeth Warren on the other hand has been working with people to change the platform from within and making sure the right people are in the right places.

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The way the main politics thread was overrun with doomers and conservatives after ST. :skull:

 

Ready for Bernard to stomp stomp stomp this week

 

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Anyways, this is election thread talk :heart2:

 

Do any of you participate in your local DSA's or other organizations?

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1 hour ago, jose168 said:

Speaking of third party, who is even running green this year. Not everyone can have Jill Stein's starpower I suppose

 

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Actually, this is a point I've wanted to mention for a while - the Green Party's current leader and likely nominee is pretty good, he doesn't have the name recognition or infrastructure ready at this stage that would be needed to make a real impact. The Green Party is the strongest party in leftist politics right now, and I think that if it's going to be chosen as the primary vehicle for leftist attention and change in the next few years, we need to start seriously prepping for 2024 and beyond now, rather than waiting. If another leftist organization or party is to step in and take over, the same applies.

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27 minutes ago, Elite Four Brad said:

Eh whatever, I can accept that Liz has lost and will sadly be voting for Biden, who was anything but my first choice

 

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You're progressive so you're voting for Biden over Bernie. Make it make sense. 

 

I don't trust Warren, but if it were Biden vs. Liz, I'd vote Liz in a heartbeat. Because even if Liz achieved 1% of her progressive promises, that'd still be MILES more than anything Biden would ever do for us.

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I had an interesting thought earlier today... I wonder if Bernie and other progressive democrats that have heavy weight in Congress should leave the Democrat party to create a new major third party. It could be called the New Democrat Party,  Independence Party or Progressive Party. I strongly believe we need to send a message to the moderate/centrists that their neoliberalism policies days are over. 

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3 minutes ago, Buddy said:

You're progressive so you're voting for Biden over Bernie. Make it make sense. 

 

I don't trust Warren, but if it were Biden vs. Liz, I'd vote Liz in a heartbeat. Because even if Liz achieved 1% of her progressive promises, that'd still be MILES more than anything Biden would ever do for us.

how am i going to vote for bernie when it'll be biden vs trump? 

 

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8 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said:

Actually, this is a point I've wanted to mention for a while - the Green Party's current leader and likely nominee is pretty good, he doesn't have the name recognition or infrastructure ready at this stage that would be needed to make a real impact. The Green Party is the strongest party in leftist politics right now, and I think that if it's going to be chosen as the primary vehicle for leftist attention and change in the next few years, we need to start seriously prepping for 2024 and beyond now, rather than waiting. If another leftist organization or party is to step in and take over, the same applies.

Yes, DSA like I mentioned above has laid alot of ground work through the Bernie/AOC wave to potentially be a serious American political party as well. The problem is working these parties up could take a lifetime

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2 minutes ago, Elite Four Brad said:

how am i going to vote for bernie when it'll be biden vs trump? 

 

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But it doesn't have to be. The primary season is still not over. ST was dissapointing, but not a total loss. You can still volunteer for the Bernie campaign instead of throwing your hands up and saying "WeLp, BiDeN 2020!!1!!1"

 

The way some switched so quickly from Bernie to BideT is....alarming, and quite telling.

 

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OT: Yes, we need to build a third party, probably using the infrastructure of the Green party. Burn the DNC to the ground even if Bernie does pull through. Literal supervillains.

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10 minutes ago, Buddy said:

You're progressive so you're voting for Biden over Bernie. Make it make sense. 

 

I don't trust Warren, but if it were Biden vs. Liz, I'd vote Liz in a heartbeat. Because even if Liz achieved 1% of her progressive promises, that'd still be MILES more than anything Biden would ever do for us.

And Bernie too... don’t forget Bernie.

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Just now, Elite Four Brad said:

how am i going to vote for bernie when it'll be biden vs trump? 

 

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Oh, I thought you meant you're voting Biden in the primary because Liz dropped out. That's fine. 

 

This thread is only for those who voted or plan to vote for a progressive (Bernie or Liz) in the primary. Biden Bros have the 2020 US Election thread to enjoy until November.  

 

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1 minute ago, Buddy said:

Oh, I thought you meant you're voting Biden in the primary because Liz dropped out. That's fine. 

 

This thread is only for those who voted or plan to vote for a progressive (Bernie or Liz) in the primary. Biden Bros have the 2020 US Election thread to enjoy until November.  

 

Oh I voted Liz in the primary don't worry!

 

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Hi :gaycat3: Maybe I can actually start posting and reading through this thread without getting brainworms

 

1 hour ago, Elite Four Brad said:

AOC coming for 2024 

 

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AOC/Nina Turner 2024 :gaycat4:

 

Spoiler

Does AOC ever even acknowledge Nina nnn

 

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If Warren doesn’t endorse Sanders today I’m joining in on the calls to primary her :celestial5:

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26 minutes ago, Adonis said:

I love Warren and she is right about the Bernie Bros... They are too puritanical. You can disagree with compromising too early without totally degrading and demonizing someone. With that said Bernie should’ve stood by the people supporting him.

 

tbqh Bernie shouldn’t have run as a Democrat. He’s don’t nothing to make the party better from the inside until he had already run for president. Elizabeth Warren on the other hand has been working with people to change the platform from within and making sure the right people are in the right places.

Bernie did more to shift the national Democratic party in 2016 than Warren has in her entire career. I literally cannot pin a single issue that Warren helped direct to get the entire party behind. Bernie scared the Democratic party shitless on the issue of M4A that nearly all the prominent centrists candidates tried to capitalize on its popularity. The Green New Deal is also now a popular progressive idea that he helped bring in the forefront. Warren has the wealth tax... something that Bernie has also advocated for, just not as vocally. Warren’s key issue has always been corruption, but that all comes back to taking on the establishment because the Democratic party itself is also corrupt. Elizabeth Warren has been unable to call that out, Bernie has and has become the most visible voice on that issue.

 

Sorry, but in no way, shape, or form has Warren done a tenth as much to advance the progressive movement as Bernie Sanders. He moved the party and gave way for The Squad to hold positions of power to further that fight in the House.

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Green New Deal

Universal health coverage/Reproductive rights for all

Free tuition/child care

Debt elimination

Housing plans

Less financial resources in military
Removal of Wall Street, conglomerate businesses in politics aka lobbyists

End cancer causing fracking


I'm here! The above is what mainstream media and Biden/Trump fans are fighting against. Centrists dems too so I can't with them right now. I will never forget how the establishment turned their backs against progress. Siri, open note "Great, thank you Hillary Clinton"
 

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13 minutes ago, jgorny said:

I had an interesting thought earlier today... I wonder if Bernie and other progressive democrats that have heavy weight in Congress should leave the Democrat party to create a new major third party. It could be called the New Democrat Party,  Independence Party or Progressive Party. I strongly believe we need to send a message to the moderate/centrists that their neoliberalism policies days are over. 

My question about this approach is whether it would at all be viable, and what it might look like in the end. Even ignoring the massive effort it might take to convince some people to vote for a new party, the infrastructure buildout, the canvassing and organizing... existing structures and parties can only be relied on so much since their membership isn't astronomical, and there are leftist parties that would strongly resist any attempt to consolidate support without being given the strongest position in crafting a platform. It's a super interesting idea, but I wonder what form it would take in the end, were we to make a serious attempt at challenging the dominance of the existing two-party system. 

 

I wouldn't be comfortable with elected officials being left to their own devices in a Dem Exit scenario, though, it needs to be grassroots driven first.

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