charts discussion Billboard Charts (Week of December 7, 2019)

[DemDam92]

So if you guys wanna ban Xmas songs from Hot 100 what is your argumentation for the Xmas albums on BB200? Ban them as well?

[iHype.]

3 minutes ago, DemDam92 said:

So if you guys wanna ban Xmas songs from Hot 100 what is your argumentation for the Xmas albums on BB200? Ban them as well?

Yes, because Michael Buble's album will go #1 every single year and replace Thriller as the biggest album in history just for being background music to play by a fireplace while opening gifts.

 

There is a difference between an album/song being popular in its own right in a single run, and then just for being associated with an event yearly.

[Cinderellaboy]

2 minutes ago, iHype. said:

Yes, because Michael Buble's album will go #1 every single year and replace Thriller as the biggest album in history just for being background music to play by a fireplace while opening gifts.

 

There is a difference between an album/song being popular in its own right in a single run, and then just for being associated with an event yearly.

Hi, Mr. Double-standard.

[iHype.]

10 minutes ago, Cinderellaboy said:

Hi, Mr. Double-standard.

Recurrent rules shouldn't exist for normal music, non-event music. Like if someone chooses to listen to Pink Floyd's album on their own for 30 years straight, because they wanna hear it every week still, then well, that should be shown. 

 

Everyone playing a song just because it's Christmas and the song is synonymously tied to the day and is a commercialized tradition, then removing it from their playlist the day after it ends for 30 years is not the same lol. 

[Cinderellaboy]

Envy is the original sin.

Hell!

[DemDam92]

4 minutes ago, iHype. said:

 

 

Everyone playing a song just because it's Christmas and the song is synonymously tied to the day and is a tradition, then removing it from their playlist day after for 30 years is not the same lol. 

How you wanna be sure they play a song because of the tradition and not because they enjoy it? It makes no sense, Hot 100 is meant to show the most popular songs during the specific week. The reasons for a song being played shouldn’t matter.
 

If an artist dies and the sales go up, shouldn’t it be banned as well? People buy it because someone died and because of the attention, why allow them to chart? It’s same argumentation. Totally pointless.

Edited December 8, 2019 by DemDam92

[jose168]

I'd personally ban old holiday music from the billboard 200 as well but hey.

[iHype.]

8 minutes ago, DemDam92 said:

How you wanna be sure they play a song because of the tradition and not because they enjoy it? It makes no sense, Hot 100 is meant to show the most popular songs during the specific week. The reasons for a song being played shouldn’t matter.
 

If an artist dies and the sales go up, shouldn’t it be banned as well? People buy it because someone died and because of the attention, why allow them to chart? It’s same argumentation. Totally pointless.

A death is a one time thing, it's not comparable at all to a Holiday effect every year for eternity. The artist's popularity in general skyrockets. 

 

Are people playing Mariah's non-Christmas albums this month? Also yes, people are literally playing the song because the Holidays.

That's why it gets 0.01% of its streams during July. If people played the song because they just genuinely wanted to check it out, then they wouldn't all collectively immediately stop listening by the time January hits (not saying people don't love the song, but still, they love it only when a Holiday is attached).

 

It will never be the same as, say, a Beatles album charting for 50 years straight, because people genuinely wanna hear it week after week without any commercialized event tied to it. Everlasting background music does not need to hog the charts for 1 month every single year blocking new hits...

[DemDam92]

2 minutes ago, iHype. said:

A death is a one time thing, it's not comparable at all. The artist's popularity in general skyrockets. 

 

Are people playing Mariah's non-Christmas albums this month? Also and yes, people are literally playing the song because the Holidays.

That's why it gets 0.01% of its streams during July. If people played the song because they just genuinely wanted to check it out, then they wouldn't all collectively immediately stop listening by the time January hits (not saying people don't love the song, but still, they love it only when a Holiday is attached).

 

It will never be the same as, say, a Beatles album charting for 50 years straight, because people genuinely wanna hear it week after week without any commercialized event tied to it. Everlasting background music does not need to hog the charts for 1 month every single year blocking new hits...

The argumentation is wrong.

What about normal pop songs and albums that debut at #1 or top 10 and leave the charts in the following 2 weeks because nobody buys or streams it? Everyone bought it in the first week and nobody cared a week later. It happened many times to many pop girls here. And not only because of bundles.

[iHype.]

Just now, DemDam92 said:

The argumentation is wrong.

What about normal pop songs and albums that debut at #1 or top 10 and leave the charts in the following 2 weeks because nobody buys or streams it? Everyone bought it in the first week and nobody cared a week later. It happened many times to many pop girls here. And not only because of bundles.

People went out to consume that album/single that week, without any event attached to it. Thus the popularity it had that single week is not comparable to Holiday music's default popularity as background music...

[Touchdown]

The Christmas seething. Love it. #1 here we come.

 

 

[doonerr]

IMO Billboard should ban all music from the charts

[B-Luke]

I agree Billboard should ban Christmas songs next year. It gives new songs a possibility of having a better chart run and not be slowed down or even be denied a good chart position by old Christmas songs that are possibily just re-peaking. They could create a separate Holiday singles/albums chart (not just for Christmas but for any occassion) and whatever people choose to consume on their holidays should be represented accordingly on that chart. It should be up all year round for that very reason.

[slw84]

2 hours ago, Cinderellaboy said:

Envy is the original sin.

Hell!

[slw84]

2 hours ago, Touchdown said:

The Christmas seething. Love it. #1 here we come.

 

 

Imagine their faves having an xmas classic.

switching would occur imminently 

[QueenofCopyPaste]

Pick a side pick a side...

[umich]

On 12/6/2019 at 8:24 PM, Element said:

i'm shocked that lizzo isn't pushing to get the GAH #1 with a video and promo 

 

[umich]

16 hours ago, TaylenaStan said:

 Yeah it has to be that but its so weird, why do Amazon Music users only listen to Christmas songs and then barely use it for the rest of the year like wtf 

My guess is that Alexa is very popular during the holidays and its default streaming platform happens to be Amazon Music. It’s easier to just say “Alexa, play [insert song here]” instead of opening Spotify/AM/etc. and searching for the song.

[Lose My Breath]

You can't compare Holiday songs to God Bless the USA, I mean, they get lots of airplay, streams, youtube views, downloads, and for weeks, not a single day.

 

Not to mention, it isn't going to prevent the Christmas freeze by removing them from the Hot 100, radio is still not going to jump into new tracks, and the Christmas songs are still going to overtake streaming platforms, and iTunes, new music will still be overshadowed. 

 

I think removing them from the Hot 100 would be moot, they would still be the most popular songs at the time, it just wouldn't be reflected on the Hot 100.

[Samson]

3 hours ago, DemDam92 said:

Everyone is stopping Happy Birthday song after 30sec when the cake arrived so it wouldn’t count anyway. 

i agree with u but this part made me cackle so much 

[slobro]

3 hours ago, iHype. said:

God Bless the USA actually went top 10 on iTunes last Fourth of July.

 

All it really takes is Alexa/Spotify spamming the song on every BBQ playlist for it to take off and do yearly damage. Again, the point still stands. Seeing it chart every year would be useless... we are well aware its an everlasting song tied to a Holiday.

This, people looping those Xmas playlists in the background is not representative of the biggest hits in the current music scene, we all know this.

[Lose My Breath]

12 minutes ago, slobro said:

This, people looping those Xmas playlists in the background is not representative of the biggest hits in the current music scene, we all know this.

That is not true at all, look at the downloads, radio airplay, streams, video streams.... 

 

And what do you think people do with TTH, NMF? Why do you think people pay to get placed on those playlists?

[TrieLz]

There’s no need to ban the xmas song from hot 100.

just put the new rules for a song that already or above 52 weeks on the chart (super recurrent) are not allowed to re-enter the hot 100 no matter how many points it gain. So any xmas song will stop charting when it hit 52 weeks or more. 
It seems fair to any other song that already super recurrent and won’t chart again on hot 100.

[Green]

Banning christmas music would be backwards for the Hot 100, even worst than the UK charts banning album bombs and allowing only 3 songs to chart just because they don't let lesser hits to chart higher.

 

It's like banning Whitney from charting after she died, or banning Gaga or Missy from charting after the Superbowl.

After changing recurrent rules in 2012 Billboard can't choose what they want to chart. If they ban christmas music then they would need to ban all the recurrent music from the charts. It's all or nothing.

 

Ariana and Halsey had no problem blocking Mariah last year

 

If Adele, Rihanna or Drake released something, they would have blocked Mariah this year too. Even Roxanne by a new random artist could block her this year too with meme streams so we don't know yet. 

[Fa1x intelectual]

Every song should chart, no bans should ever be implemented. If It has enough points/streams/radio spins/whatever, it should chart