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Caesar Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 I think this fake news IMO. There's too many other factors that were/are occuring at the same time as the show. If they really wanted to see if the show was the direct cause, they should've act suicide survivors if they did watch the show and if it was some sort of motivation to do it. Link to post Share on other sites
Aristocrat Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 This is like the 3rd thread to be posted about this. Link to post Share on other sites
Roxas Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 This show is trash, whoever greenlit this is a fool. Link to post Share on other sites
Ivan_brit Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 This don’t make sense I’m sorry, blaming a TV show really??? Link to post Share on other sites
godmess Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 no correlation, NEXT. Link to post Share on other sites
thinking Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 this reminds me of the video game makes kids violent argument, it only affects the kids that are already messed up mentally .... 7 minutes ago, Ivan_brit said: This don’t make sense I’m sorry, blaming a TV show really??? Link to post Share on other sites
45seconds Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 10 minutes ago, Roxas said: This show is trash, whoever greenlit this is a fool. Whoever green lit it a genius. It’s top 5 easily amongst their most watched OGs. It’s trashy and I hate it but still. Link to post Share on other sites
wesleywalrus Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 i dont want to be insensitive, but if youre killing yourself over a tv show, something else wouldve likely done the same thing. tv shows arent responsible for mental and chemical imbalances. Link to post Share on other sites
DuffLavigne Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Causation does not imply correlation. Link to post Share on other sites
Kim Kardashian Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 28 minutes ago, godmess said: no correlation, NEXT. Literally false, but ok. 16 minutes ago, DuffLavigne said: Causation does not imply correlation. You mean correlation does not imply causation. The show was WARNED by charities that its approach to the topic would lead to an increase in suicide. So whilst this does not tell us 13RW is certainly the cause, it is worth discussing. Link to post Share on other sites
Roxas Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Kim Kardashian said: Literally false, but ok. You mean correlation does not imply causation. The show was WARNED by charities that its approach to the topic would lead to an increase in suicide. So whilst this does not tell us 13RW is certainly the cause, it is worth discussing. ^^^^^^^^^^ Link to post Share on other sites
Javan Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Selena has got blood on her hands. she will pay 4 this Link to post Share on other sites
FefeDobson Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 i thought the show was really good, BUT it really made me feel uncomfortable and uneasy throughout many parts. i've had very positive mental health my entire life and this show even made me feel very emotionally drained. i can see how it would impact somebody with mental health issues, but someone like that clearly shouldn't be watching this show as it is. Link to post Share on other sites
Selena’s Bad Liar Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Javan said: Selena has got blood on her hands. she will pay 4 this She didn’t even show up to set She just has the rights to the book and sold it to Netflix, that’s why she’s credited Link to post Share on other sites
Alsemanche Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 48 minutes ago, Caesar said: I think this fake news IMO. There's too many other factors that were/are occuring at the same time as the show. If they really wanted to see if the show was the direct cause, they should've act suicide survivors if they did watch the show and if it was some sort of motivation to do it. nobody said "cause." Next. Link to post Share on other sites
Caesar Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, Kim Kardashian said: Literally false, but ok. You mean correlation does not imply causation. 2 minutes ago, Alsemanche said: nobody said "cause." Next. As someone said on the main thread 4 hours ago, pavi said: I don't know if there are any examples from other countries, but one of the biggest Dutch newspapers dedicated an online fact check article to this research, called 'Did 13 Reasons Why really cause a suicide peak in the USA?'. You can find it here, but it's in Dutch of course: https://www.volkskrant.nl/wetenschap/veroorzaakte-de-serie-13-reasons-why-echt-een-zelfmoordpiek-in-amerika~b27f67ab/ They basically conclude that the claim is not well backed up by the researchers. The increase in suicide rates already started a month before the series started and only involves boys, while copying behaviour usually requires deep recognition. After the series started however, the suicide rates among girls even dropped a little. A Dutch statistics professor calls the research 'a perfect example of how statistics doesn't work', stating the researchers were fishing for results by dividing their data in too many small groups. Besides that there's another research that came out last week that claims the exact opposite and found that after the series started 15 to 29 year olds had less self destructive thoughts and they were more inclined to help somebody with self destructive thoughts than before. Thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites
Alsemanche Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Caesar said: As someone said on the main thread You're just providing more correlation studies lol my point still stands. Link to post Share on other sites
Chick Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 For example, the study used a quasi-experimental design, meaning that the researchers cannot make a causal link between the release of “13 Reasons Why” and the observed changes in suicide rates. Oh. Link to post Share on other sites
Javan Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 11 minutes ago, Selena’s Bad Liar said: She didn’t even show up to set She just has the rights to the book and sold it to Netflix, that’s why she’s credited She’s an exec producer Link to post Share on other sites
éclat Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 28.9% is a lot maybe they should advertise suicide helplines before and after the show. Link to post Share on other sites
Caesar Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, éclat said: 28.9% is a lot maybe they should advertise suicide helplines before and after the show. The show wasn't a direct reason of it. The way the article is phrasing it isn't helping. It was already on an increase before the show even aired. There was a study released a week earlier proving that it has the opposite effect and people actually reached out to help someone else. Link to post Share on other sites
DuffLavigne Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 I just love how people try to get this show cancelled but won't spend time doing anything else that will actually help stop teen suicide Link to post Share on other sites
judaskills Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Let's stop trying to blame TV shows please. Link to post Share on other sites
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