PhreshDiamond Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, slw84 said: If it's going to be someone then I guess those three will suffice. Mariah loves Rihanna and Adele so it wouldn't be as bad. I just think one of those 3 are most deserving to break such a massive record, rather than some random 1 hit wonder Edited March 10, 2017 by PhreshDiamond
slw84 Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, PhreshDiamond said: I just think one of those 3 are most deserving to break such a massive record, rather than some random 1 hit wonder Fair enough and I just want to continue using this versatile gif. I wonder if Bruno or Weekend have it em them to top Ed next. Something new. Edited March 10, 2017 by slw84
PhreshDiamond Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 Just now, slw84 said: Fair enough and I just want to continue using this versatile gif. I wonder if Bruno or Weekend have it em them to top Ed next shape of you is gonna climb to 1k points and not be topped for a while
slw84 Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, PhreshDiamond said: shape of you is gonna climb to 1k points and not be topped for a while Mess. I was looking forward to bruno topping him because that's what I like is like my favorite song right now
666 Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 how many total weeks did wrecking ball spend at #2 behind lorde?
Agenor Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) Why is Adele's gif so dominant in this thread? Although the Queen deserves it. So unlike in the UK, no Ed Sheeran album tracks are expected to debut high on Hot 100? Edited March 10, 2017 by Agenor Improved accuarcy
Agenor Posted March 11, 2017 Posted March 11, 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: Wow. Okay I had to go look at what you were referring to. That's umm quite unbelievable. Congrats to Ed for being a star and having a team that knows how to deliver under the current chart system. honestly though, on the other hand, I want to just go and cry after following the chsrts for over four decades. I'm not opposed to change, and I've liked some over the years, and disliked some over the years. I hung in there though and kept the hobby up, but it's just too much change. It's just got no relationship anymore historically. That does make me sad for s hobby I love. its coming as well on the Hot 100, I've felt it since Views hit, thst it's just a matter of time before a megastar, streaming star, releases an album and does the same thing on the hot 100 Having airplay included on Hot 100 doesn't seem like a bad idea anymore, right? People are so annoyed by what had happen in the UK that they are calling for the ending of Singles chart there. Here's a take on how streaming has ruined the charts, you might find it an interesting read: http://www.digitalspy.com/music/feature/a801321/streaming-and-ed-sheeran-have-ruined-the-charts-forever-heres-why/ Edited March 11, 2017 by Agenor Improvement
bearman10 Posted March 11, 2017 Posted March 11, 2017 4 hours ago, Costea said: Is ATRL+ like some LGBT+ ****? OT: at first i didn't like TWIL, but now i love it and hoping he gets to #1!
Agenor Posted March 11, 2017 Posted March 11, 2017 1 minute ago, ChartsFan said: I'm a firm supporter of radio, always have been always will be. It's influence on the music people hear on a daily basis in North America is unquestionable. but the issues are much bigger than needing to keep radio included in the charts. If you need to keep one thing to keep stability, then the system is broke. I'd like to see the Hot 100 go back to an active singles chart, BB can make a separate tracks chart. But what I'd like to see doesn't really matter, you can't put the genie back in the bottle. It something that should have been implemented when they made the change in the first place. thanks for the link, going there now. I was just saying that about radio because some of the members believe it should be abolished from the hot 100 formula. If BB did that, then we would've had the similar situation on hot 100 as what had happened in the UK. I'm also for allowing only singles to chart on Hot 100, allowing album tracks to chart had diminished many of the achievements that were very hard to get until recently. Next week we'll see Minaj passing Aretha Franklin for female with most entries on Hot 100 EVER, and that's really a travesty.
alexanderao Posted March 11, 2017 Author Posted March 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, Agenor said: I was just saying that about radio because some of the members believe it should be abolished from the hot 100 formula. If BB did that, then we would've had the similar situation on hot 100 as what had happened in the UK. I'm also for allowing only singles to chart on Hot 100, allowing album tracks to chart had diminished many of the achievements that were very hard to get until recently. Next week we'll see Minaj passing Aretha Franklin for female with most entries on Hot 100 EVER, and that's really a travesty. The Hot 100 is just intended to be a ranking of songs, though. Obviously songs don't have to be singles to be popular
Agenor Posted March 11, 2017 Posted March 11, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, alexanderao said: The Hot 100 is just intended to be a ranking of songs, though. Obviously songs don't have to be singles to be popular But that wasn't always the case, right? In the 90s if a song wasn't released as a physical single it wasn't allowed to chart on Hot 100. You really can't say that the chart has consistency. Edited March 11, 2017 by Agenor Improvement
alexanderao Posted March 11, 2017 Author Posted March 11, 2017 Just now, Agenor said: But that wasn't always the case, right? In the 90s if a song wasn't released as a physical single it wasn't allowed to chart on Hot 100. You really can't say that the chart has consistency. It doesn't. And that's why comparing Aretha's H100 entries to Nicki's doesn't make sense. That doesn't mean the rules should be changed, though.
slw84 Posted March 11, 2017 Posted March 11, 2017 1 hour ago, ChartsFan said: It happens everytime OSD comes up and it's more than a bit annoying, not to mention disrespectful. OSD set a record that has lasted for two decades. It's NOT a Msriah song, it's a song performed by Msriah Carey and Boys II Men. Both deserve the credit and respect when OSD is mentioned. Not to mention that considering when the song hit number one, both acts were superstars and it is IMPOSSIBLE to tell who is responsible for the record as both are equal partners. sp please enough. No need to get hyper and yes both legendary acts were responsible. I wonder how close to 10 weeks Shape of you will get
Jennifer Posted March 11, 2017 Posted March 11, 2017 25 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: I'm a firm supporter of radio, always have been always will be. It's influence on the music people hear on a daily basis in North America is unquestionable. but the issues are much bigger than needing to keep radio included in the charts. If you need to keep one thing to keep stability, then the system is broke. I'd like to see the Hot 100 go back to an active singles chart, BB can make a separate tracks chart. But what I'd like to see doesn't really matter, you can't put the genie back in the bottle. It something that should have been implemented when they made the change in the first place. thanks for the link, going there now. This is honestly a case of "I'm old now. I wish we could go back to the good ol days".... The Hot 100 is the most accurate its ever been. In our digital world with the internet and everything available at our fingertips in an instant, when a major name releases (Views, Lemonade, etc) people listen in full, and alot of those songs are very popular songs of that week. So just because they're not "official" singles, doesn't mean it wasn't amongst the most popular...
Jennifer Posted March 11, 2017 Posted March 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: That's now. It wasn't always that way. It wasn't that way for decades. It also didn't anticipate the unlimited supply of tracks that the digital and streaming era created when the Hot 100 was changed singles to songs. ehen the change was made BB should have renamed the chart. Leaving the historic Hot 100 alone and in the past, just as they did when they renamed and put to rest the Top 100 when thst radical change was made. dont get me wrong, I am not some elitist historian. I was around when Debbie Boone came out of nowhere and set the weeks at number one record. When Le Freak returned to #1 for the third time. When Thriller came along, and OSD. I want records to be broke. I've looked forward to so,Rome breaking the Beatles 1-5 record. But I don't want it done like this. I don't want it done due to marketing, chart glitches, or unforeseen loopholes. I want it done by some act coming along thst is so big it can land 6 different released official singles from 1-5 on the charts. Official singles is a dying concept in itself when we have complete access to full albums the second they're released. Why wait to listen to these songs?
Willy. Posted March 11, 2017 Posted March 11, 2017 @simmnfierzig How many streams does No Frauds need to debut in the Top 10, assuming it has 10M AI by the end of the week?
brianc33710 Posted March 11, 2017 Posted March 11, 2017 13 hours ago, ChartsFan said: That is splitting some pretty fine hairs. I guess someone looking "Some Girls" would split hairs over the Rolling Stones being a rock band as well. Yes I had friends that did that. However, I did make my comment after you talked about "rock" acts like Shinedown, and Linkin Park placing well in the Hot 100. If Shinedown is okay to call rock hitting the Hot 100, when everyone of their singles charted alt rock, the 21P counts just as well. Very few of their singles after The Sound Of Madness performed well on Alternative stations. State Of My Head got to 25. But Alternative ceased being Alternative Rock early in the 2010s. Hopefully Rock will work its way back into the format, because what you hear there now is almost all indie-type pop.
brianc33710 Posted March 11, 2017 Posted March 11, 2017 2 hours ago, ChartsFan said: It's really not. It's simply stating the current hot 100 is not the old Hot 100. And thst perhaps such radical changes should include name changes. im all for an accurate all tracks chart. But that isn't the Hot 100. I remember buying Hotel California within a couple weeks of release, I listened to it frequently. I also remember being thrilled when the next single was released from the album and hearing it on rsdio. it is possible to do both. +1
brianc33710 Posted March 11, 2017 Posted March 11, 2017 2 hours ago, ChartsFan said: That's now. It wasn't always that way. It wasn't that way for decades. It also didn't anticipate the unlimited supply of tracks that the digital and streaming era created when the Hot 100 was changed singles to songs. ehen the change was made BB should have renamed the chart. Leaving the historic Hot 100 alone and in the past, just as they did when they renamed and put to rest the Top 100 when thst radical change was made. dont get me wrong, I am not some elitist historian. I was around when Debbie Boone came out of nowhere and set the weeks at number one record. When Le Freak returned to #1 for the third time. When Thriller came along, and OSD. I want records to be broke. I've looked forward to so,Rome breaking the Beatles 1-5 record. But I don't want it done like this. I don't want it done due to marketing, chart glitches, or unforeseen loopholes. I want it done by some act coming along thst is so big it can land 6 different released official singles from 1-5 on the charts. That's why I advocate for releasing just the first single at a time for downloads and streaming (then second, third, etc., and release the entire album at the end of an era), as that would boost album sales and end artists' losing out. As it is, eras are cut way short because everyone has download and streaming access to every song from the day the album drops. As I said before, I doubt this will ever change back, as consumption now counts heavier for albums than raw sales. But sticking to one single at a time would prolong the life of albums, and this keep the albums from diving so deeply and quickly after strong debuts. Many, if not most, albums now sell more than 50% of their copies after their just their first week. So, instead of having an artist going 5-7 singles deep and selling 3 million albums, you have tons of album tracks among fewer official songs, and the albums struggle to sell 1.5 million.
fridayteenage Posted March 11, 2017 Posted March 11, 2017 So far Nicki is averaging 1 T10 per album. Will Remy's power increase that average?
alexanderao Posted March 11, 2017 Author Posted March 11, 2017 1 hour ago, ChartsFan said: But ten bucks says that is all we will hear next week, how Nicki destroyed Aretha, and not just on ATR. and another twenty bucks says if Nicki does land a song in the top 10, that BB will make a big deal of how she passed Aretha in the top 10 article (even though it is a hot 100 record) and in doing so totally ignore and not mention the fact the charts aren't the same. Fine. Billboard can write misleading articles– I just won't give them the time of day.
brianc33710 Posted March 11, 2017 Posted March 11, 2017 1 minute ago, ChartsFan said: Historically I'd say someone like Deep Purple, and a look at them, despute two massive hits, neither able to go number one, shows just how hard it is for the genre to succeed. Yeah, but through around 2005, real Rock songs (that were usually also played on Alternative affiliates, through around 2010 when Alt swung Pop) could reach the Top 5 on the BB 100 with ease. Rock songs even sold well initially, prompting Top 40 stations to add them to their playlists. Then in 2007 or so, Top 40 started shutting out Rock songs. Paralyzer (Finger Eleven 2007-8) and Second Chance (2008-9) pretty much ended the Rock Era related to popularity purposes. HAC was only a few years behind Top 40 when HAC also kicked Rock (and Country) to the curb.
brianc33710 Posted March 11, 2017 Posted March 11, 2017 8 minutes ago, ChartsFan said: Ahh a return to the early days of rock n roll. This actually was the practice less than ten years ago. It wasn't until some time in the 2010s this mess of flooding the Hot 100 with album tracks (from selling and streaming) began taking over the chart from legitimately released singles. Sometimes the label wouldn't even release the song to download until when (and in some cases after, such as "Hips Don't Lie") they released the entire album. I'm not saying that should happen. But sending just one single at a time to sales and streaming, and eliminating the CMA process, would help popular music out a lot.
Communion Posted March 11, 2017 Posted March 11, 2017 People who call for something as useless and petty as charts being renamed really are so short-sighted. Anyway, hoping Nicki can debut Top 10.
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