levi_valvi Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 We know spotify streams are heavily influenced by spotify playlist followers, we see this when a song jumps over 100 spots on the chart just from being added to HHT. Because of this, we can't really say that a song at #20 is doing better than a song at #25 is if the song at #20 has double the amount of playlist followers. I think a more accurate representation of how well a song is doing is how many streams a song can milk from its followers, the streams per follower (SPF). We talk a lot about spotify payola, and hopefully this can clear some things up. First of all, hit songs being pushed to a lot of playlist should not equal payola. The playlists are there to serve songs to the people that they wanna listen to, and people wanna listen to the hits, so God's Plan having the most spotify playllst followers doesn't mean it's the most payola'ed song. What should be considered spotify payola, is songs that are being pushed to people that people don't care for, the ones being forced down our throats; the ones that don't milk many streams from its followers. And of course every playlist follower isn't equal, for instance both the first and the last song on TTH get assigned all 19,4 mil followers, though obviously the #1 listed song will have a way easier time milking the playlist for streams; but I really can't account for this. The average streams per playlist follower for the top 50 songs is 0.02926. 8 songs get more than 30 % of the average streams per follower (>0.038), ranked from most organic to least: TRACK STREAMS PLAYLIST FOLLOWERS SPF changes by XXXTENTACION 1,362,898 19,908,049 0.0685 SAD! by XXXTENTACION 3,704,244 57,467,299 0.0645 Moonlight by XXXTENTACION 2,079,127 36,691,288 0.0567 I Fall Apart by Post Malone 1,482,424 30,562,731 0.0485 God's Plan by Drake 5,822,714 126,611,577 0.0460 Psycho (feat. Ty Dolla $ign) by Post Malone 4,342,009 102,379,259 0.0424 Perfect by Ed Sheeran 1,540,568 38,520,125 0.0400 Freaky Friday (feat. Chris Brown) by Lil Dicky 2,732,349 68,104,282 0.0401 There's also 8 song which get less than 30 % of the average streams per follower (<0.024), ranked from most to least GMO'ed: Breathe by Jax Jones 1,279,601 82,386,205 0.0155 Remind Me to Forget by Kygo 1,334,407 75,396,219 0.0177 Finesse (Remix) [feat. Cardi B] by Bruno Mars 1,580,378 88,970,190 0.0178 Mad Love by Sean Paul 1,322,426 72,537,468 0.0182 Like I Do by David Guetta 1,649,256 85,752,601 0.0192 Say Something by Justin Timberlake 1,502,905 77,407,496 0.0194 Everyday by Logic 1,565,225 76,884,233 0.0204 Downtown by Anitta 1,257,966 61,660,603 0.0204 Here's the full list for the top 50: TRACK STREAMS PLAYLIST FOLLOWERS SPF God's Plan by Drake 5,822,714 126,611,577 0.0460 Psycho (feat. Ty Dolla $ign) by Post Malone 4,342,009 102,379,259 0.0424 SAD! by XXXTENTACION 3,704,244 57,467,299 0.0645 FRIENDS by Marshmello 3,528,980 108,186,621 0.0326 X by Nicky Jam 3,444,640 105,299,144 0.0327 IDGAF by Dua Lipa 3,210,442 107,152,785 0.0300 The Middle by Zedd 3,047,962 110,634,496 0.0249 All The Stars (with SZA) by Kendrick Lamar 3,015,568 122,566,636 0.0273 Look Alive (feat. Drake) by BlocBoy JB 2,880,107 82,096,136 0.0351 Love Lies (with Normani) by Khalid 2,822,144 98,692,239 0.0286 In My Blood by Shawn Mendes 2,778,497 87,375,872 0.0318 Mine by Bazzi 2,732,501 97,434,755 0.0280 Freaky Friday (feat. Chris Brown) by Lil Dicky 2,732,349 68,104,282 0.0401 These Days (feat. Jess Glynne. Macklemore & Dan Caplen) by Rudimental 2,647,547 94,712,999 0.0280 rockstar by Post Malone 2,324,871 61,580,249 0.0378 Dura by Daddy Yankee 2,171,133 68,020,374 0.0319 Havana by Camila Cabello 2,123,847 72,232,571 0.0294 Meant to Be (feat. Florida Georgia Line) by Bebe Rexha 2,098,458 88,780,703 0.0236 Moonlight by XXXTENTACION 2,079,127 36,691,288 0.0567 Never Be the Same by Camila Cabello 1,953,339 79,527,029 0.0246 Pray For Me (with Kendrick Lamar) by The Weeknd 1,888,568 81,229,329 0.0232 Me Niego by Reik 1,860,736 60,225,519 0.0309 Plug Walk by Rich The Kid 1,708,857 59,816,398 0.0286 Lost In Japan by Shawn Mendes 1,684,672 65,387,131 0.0258 New Rules by Dua Lipa 1,682,057 59,983,234 0.0280 Stir Fry by Migos 1,659,204 80,504,366 0.0206 Like I Do by David Guetta 1,649,256 85,752,601 0.0192 Échame La Culpa by Luis Fonsi 1,635,039 75,559,783 0.0216 Bella by Wolfine 1,603,527 50,008,868 0.0321 Amorfoda by Bad Bunny 1,598,979 47,605,870 0.0336 Finesse (Remix) [feat. Cardi B] by Bruno Mars 1,580,378 88,970,190 0.0178 Everyday by Logic 1,565,225 76,884,233 0.0204 Ric Flair Drip (& Metro Boomin) by Offset 1,542,980 44,546,448 0.0346 Perfect by Ed Sheeran 1,540,568 38,520,125 0.0400 Say Something by Justin Timberlake 1,502,905 77,407,496 0.0194 Wolves by Selena Gomez 1,494,804 59,814,424 0.0250 I Fall Apart by Post Malone 1,482,424 30,562,731 0.0485 Shape of You by Ed Sheeran 1,478,133 53,161,477 0.0278 Déjala Que Vuelva (feat. Manuel Turizo) by Piso 21 1,459,365 52,658,457 0.0277 River (feat. Ed Sheeran) by Eminem 1,445,248 48,732,761 0.0297 changes by XXXTENTACION 1,362,898 19,908,049 0.0685 King's Dead (with Kendrick Lamar. Future & James Blake) by Jay Rock 1,354,091 43,610,171 0.0310 Remind Me to Forget by Kygo 1,334,407 75,396,219 0.0177 Síguelo Bailando by Ozuna 1,333,172 45,562,446 0.0293 Mad Love by Sean Paul 1,322,426 72,537,468 0.0182 Sick Boy by The Chainsmokers 1,320,993 50,731,180 0.0260 Let You Down by NF 1,306,178 42,431,670 0.0308 Walk It Talk It by Migos 1,282,505 41,317,034 0.0310 Breathe by Jax Jones 1,279,601 82,386,205 0.0155 Downtown by Anitta 1,257,966 61,660,603 0.0204 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Before Today Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Post, Drake & Lil Dicky And wow @ X dominating Spotify. I wonder what ATRL has to say to the geepee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown User Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Very interesting and very cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levi_valvi Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Have a Cigar said: It doesn't work like that. This data is irrelevant. What did I miss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent W Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Wouldn’t indie artists destroy all industry plants with this? Almost all indie’s growth is organic and all of label puppets get a push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levi_valvi Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 Just now, Trent W said: Wouldn’t indie artists destroy all industry plants with this? Almost all indie’s growth is organic and all of label puppets get a push. In a test of how organic a song is, the most organic songs smash. I only did it for the top 50 though where most indie artists don't land, I don't know how the trend is when you expand further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor fanboy Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 I honestly love the effort but I'm not completely convinced. Lemme read again while streaming the organic come-up hit, Delicate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levi_valvi Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Taylor fanboy said: I honestly love the effort but I'm not completely convinced. Lemme read again while streaming the organic come-up hit, Delicate. Delicate gets 0.026 streams per follower, a bit under average but still in the organic region Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent W Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 minute ago, levi_valvi said: In a test of how organic a song is, the most organic songs smash. I only did it for the top 50 though where most indie artists don't land, I don't know how the trend is when you expand further. Well this forum only cares about mainstream but if we compare indie artists that get 100ks-1ms of plays to the mainstream ones that get 100m+, the indie ones will destroy them cause most of them are discovered. I really don’t find Camila or Dua having billions of streams impressive at all cause they literally just buy playlists, they wouldn’t do much on their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levi_valvi Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Trent W said: Well this forum only cares about mainstream but if we compare indie artists that get 100ks-1ms of plays to the mainstream ones that get 100m+, the indie ones will destroy them cause most of them are discovered. I really don’t find Camila or Dua having billions of streams impressive at all cause they literally just buy playlists, they wouldn’t do much on their own. You can't say that they only have streams because they are pushed to playlists. A lot of songs get pushed to playlist but they never pick up (songs with low SPF). Some songs take those playlist and make the best of it, they become hits, Havana and New Rules both did that. That's my point in the OP too that a lot of playlist does not equal payola. Drake is not just getting all those streams because of payola, it's pretty clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levi_valvi Posted March 30, 2018 Author Share Posted March 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Have a Cigar said: Nothing, it's just that some of those playlist followers are inactive subscribers. But I don't think you're taking that seriously so I don't mean to ruin the fun, haha. There's insights available online to learn more about people's streaming habits. Oh ofc, but all the songs have inactive followers and I think it's safe to assume that they all have a somewhat even amount, so the effect from it should be negligible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypnodemiluv Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 On 28.03.2018 at 4:15 PM, levi_valvi said: We know spotify streams are heavily influenced by spotify playlist followers, we see this when a song jumps over 100 spots on the chart just from being added to HHT. Because of this, we can't really say that a song at #20 is doing better than a song at #25 is if the song at #20 has double the amount of playlist followers. I think a more accurate representation of how well a song is doing is how many streams a song can milk from its followers, the streams per follower (SPF). We talk a lot about spotify payola, and hopefully this can clear some things up. First of all, hit songs being pushed to a lot of playlist should not equal payola. The playlists are there to serve songs to the people that they wanna listen to, and people wanna listen to the hits, so God's Plan having the most spotify playllst followers doesn't mean it's the most payola'ed song. What should be considered spotify payola, is songs that are being pushed to people that people don't care for, the ones being forced down our throats; the ones that don't milk many streams from its followers. And of course every playlist follower isn't equal, for instance both the first and the last song on TTH get assigned all 19,4 mil followers, though obviously the #1 listed song will have a way easier time milking the playlist for streams; but I really can't account for this. The average streams per playlist follower for the top 50 songs is 0.02926. 8 songs get more than 30 % of the average streams per follower (>0.038), ranked from most organic to least: TRACK STREAMS PLAYLIST FOLLOWERS SPF changes by XXXTENTACION 1,362,898 19,908,049 0.0685 SAD! by XXXTENTACION 3,704,244 57,467,299 0.0645 Moonlight by XXXTENTACION 2,079,127 36,691,288 0.0567 I Fall Apart by Post Malone 1,482,424 30,562,731 0.0485 God's Plan by Drake 5,822,714 126,611,577 0.0460 Psycho (feat. Ty Dolla $ign) by Post Malone 4,342,009 102,379,259 0.0424 Perfect by Ed Sheeran 1,540,568 38,520,125 0.0400 Freaky Friday (feat. Chris Brown) by Lil Dicky 2,732,349 68,104,282 0.0401 There's also 8 song which get less than 30 % of the average streams per follower (<0.024), ranked from most to least GMO'ed: Breathe by Jax Jones 1,279,601 82,386,205 0.0155 Remind Me to Forget by Kygo 1,334,407 75,396,219 0.0177 Finesse (Remix) [feat. Cardi B] by Bruno Mars 1,580,378 88,970,190 0.0178 Mad Love by Sean Paul 1,322,426 72,537,468 0.0182 Like I Do by David Guetta 1,649,256 85,752,601 0.0192 Say Something by Justin Timberlake 1,502,905 77,407,496 0.0194 Everyday by Logic 1,565,225 76,884,233 0.0204 Downtown by Anitta 1,257,966 61,660,603 0.0204 Here's the full list for the top 50: TRACK STREAMS PLAYLIST FOLLOWERS SPF God's Plan by Drake 5,822,714 126,611,577 0.0460 Psycho (feat. Ty Dolla $ign) by Post Malone 4,342,009 102,379,259 0.0424 SAD! by XXXTENTACION 3,704,244 57,467,299 0.0645 FRIENDS by Marshmello 3,528,980 108,186,621 0.0326 X by Nicky Jam 3,444,640 105,299,144 0.0327 IDGAF by Dua Lipa 3,210,442 107,152,785 0.0300 The Middle by Zedd 3,047,962 110,634,496 0.0249 All The Stars (with SZA) by Kendrick Lamar 3,015,568 122,566,636 0.0273 Look Alive (feat. Drake) by BlocBoy JB 2,880,107 82,096,136 0.0351 Love Lies (with Normani) by Khalid 2,822,144 98,692,239 0.0286 In My Blood by Shawn Mendes 2,778,497 87,375,872 0.0318 Mine by Bazzi 2,732,501 97,434,755 0.0280 Freaky Friday (feat. Chris Brown) by Lil Dicky 2,732,349 68,104,282 0.0401 These Days (feat. Jess Glynne. Macklemore & Dan Caplen) by Rudimental 2,647,547 94,712,999 0.0280 rockstar by Post Malone 2,324,871 61,580,249 0.0378 Dura by Daddy Yankee 2,171,133 68,020,374 0.0319 Havana by Camila Cabello 2,123,847 72,232,571 0.0294 Meant to Be (feat. Florida Georgia Line) by Bebe Rexha 2,098,458 88,780,703 0.0236 Moonlight by XXXTENTACION 2,079,127 36,691,288 0.0567 Never Be the Same by Camila Cabello 1,953,339 79,527,029 0.0246 Pray For Me (with Kendrick Lamar) by The Weeknd 1,888,568 81,229,329 0.0232 Me Niego by Reik 1,860,736 60,225,519 0.0309 Plug Walk by Rich The Kid 1,708,857 59,816,398 0.0286 Lost In Japan by Shawn Mendes 1,684,672 65,387,131 0.0258 New Rules by Dua Lipa 1,682,057 59,983,234 0.0280 Stir Fry by Migos 1,659,204 80,504,366 0.0206 Like I Do by David Guetta 1,649,256 85,752,601 0.0192 Échame La Culpa by Luis Fonsi 1,635,039 75,559,783 0.0216 Bella by Wolfine 1,603,527 50,008,868 0.0321 Amorfoda by Bad Bunny 1,598,979 47,605,870 0.0336 Finesse (Remix) [feat. Cardi B] by Bruno Mars 1,580,378 88,970,190 0.0178 Everyday by Logic 1,565,225 76,884,233 0.0204 Ric Flair Drip (& Metro Boomin) by Offset 1,542,980 44,546,448 0.0346 Perfect by Ed Sheeran 1,540,568 38,520,125 0.0400 Say Something by Justin Timberlake 1,502,905 77,407,496 0.0194 Wolves by Selena Gomez 1,494,804 59,814,424 0.0250 I Fall Apart by Post Malone 1,482,424 30,562,731 0.0485 Shape of You by Ed Sheeran 1,478,133 53,161,477 0.0278 Déjala Que Vuelva (feat. Manuel Turizo) by Piso 21 1,459,365 52,658,457 0.0277 River (feat. Ed Sheeran) by Eminem 1,445,248 48,732,761 0.0297 changes by XXXTENTACION 1,362,898 19,908,049 0.0685 King's Dead (with Kendrick Lamar. Future & James Blake) by Jay Rock 1,354,091 43,610,171 0.0310 Remind Me to Forget by Kygo 1,334,407 75,396,219 0.0177 Síguelo Bailando by Ozuna 1,333,172 45,562,446 0.0293 Mad Love by Sean Paul 1,322,426 72,537,468 0.0182 Sick Boy by The Chainsmokers 1,320,993 50,731,180 0.0260 Let You Down by NF 1,306,178 42,431,670 0.0308 Walk It Talk It by Migos 1,282,505 41,317,034 0.0310 Breathe by Jax Jones 1,279,601 82,386,205 0.0155 Downtown by Anitta 1,257,966 61,660,603 0.0204 Wolves by Selena Gomez 1,494,804 59,814,424 0.0250 her label treat her so good, almost 60M after all this time, whew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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