charts discussion US Airplay Discussion

[iHype.]

1 minute ago, H-I-M said:

 

Obviously because because the GP said NO, as seen with the call outs, like that's not the question. But why did LWYMMD suddenly and inexplicably surge on radios last week ?

 

A modern day miracle.

If she could easily payola it to #1, then why not just payola Ready for It and Gorgeous too and have her be #1/#2/#3 on radio. 

[H-I-M]

1 minute ago, iHype. said:

If she could easily payola it to #1, then why not just payola Ready for It and Gorgeous too and have her be #1/#2/#3 on radio. 

Why payola your promo single when you can keep the coins for Gorgeous the second single ?

[iHype.]

4 minutes ago, H-I-M said:

Why payola your promo single when you can keep the coins for Gorgeous the second single ?

And why not payola both singles for weeks on end? Why would she payola a song for half a week then stop. Not even a full week. 

 

If Gorgeous has a slow fall on radio y’all are gonna then claim she used payola for weeks/months as if she couldn’t have just done that with her lead single. 

[H-I-M]

1 minute ago, iHype. said:

And why not payola both singles for weeks on end? Why would she payola a song for half a week then stop. Not even a full week. 

 

If Gorgeous has a slow fall on radio y’all are gonna then claim she used payola for weeks/months as if she couldn’t have just done that with her lead single. 

 

No she couldn't, because LWYMMD became radio poison once the call out scores came out. Her team probably used a HUGE amount of money to compensate for the millions of people that would turn of the radio every time it would come on, for it to go #1 on pop (even if it was just for a day).

 

[iHype.]

5 minutes ago, H-I-M said:

 

No she couldn't, because LWYMMD became radio poison once the call out scores came out. Her team probably used a HUGE amount of money to compensate for the millions of people that would turn of the radio every time it would come on, for it to go #1 on pop (even if it was just for a day).

 

This is so fan fictioned, you seriously believe this? 

 

Her team didn’t put her singles on Spotify her last two albums straight and ruined a lot of their charting positions. 

 

They went from sabotaging her songs charting positions over being greedy for money profit, to payola’ing her song and losing big money for chart positions? Yeah okay. 

[H-I-M]

Yes to all your questions. Good that you finally realizé

Edited October 19, 2017 by H-I-M

[Cap10Planet]

A first single from a major pop star peaking at #4 on her main format would have been considered a failure, even if the song spent three weeks at #1 on the main chart. Why not let "Look" stall and fall and then send out the next single? It was stalling at #4 before it just suddenly revived itself.   It's not as simple as she telling radio to stop playing "Look"  to make way for a new single, because they were already on route to doing that before her label used payola to get a pop #1. Stop being naive and a chart know-it-all.

Edited October 19, 2017 by Cap10Planet

[iHype.]

2 minutes ago, H-I-M said:

Yes to all your questions. Good that you finally realizé

Your logic: Taylor’s money hungry team who has always cared about earnings over charting, suddenly changed complete mindsets overnight and then threw away money to push her new song to #1 on a chart the public doesn’t know exists. 

 

Instead of: iHeartRadio pushed her to #1 due to her affiliation with their upcoming events and radio politics, then removed the song from playlists to prepare for her next huge hit coming tonight. 

 

Okay sis.

 

[iHype.]

7 minutes ago, Cap10Planet said:

A first single from a major pop star peaking at #4 on her main format would have been considered a failure, even if the song spent three weeks at #1 on the main chart. Why not let "Look" stall and fall and then send out the next single? It was stalling at #4 before it just suddenly revived itself.   It's not as simple as she telling radio to stop playing "Look"  to make way for a new single, because they were already on route to doing that before her label used payola to get a pop #1. Stop being naive and a chart know-it-all.

Literally the 3 biggest singles artists of this decade (Katy, Bruno, and Rihanna) all failed to go #1 on Pop with their last lead singles. Absolutely nobody cares about the chart and it wouldn’t have been deemed “a failure” to not top it. 

 

 

Quote

One of the nation's biggest music companies, Sony BMG Music Entertainment, agreed Monday to pay $10 million and to stop paying radio station employees to feature its artists to settle an investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer. 

The agreement resulted from Spitzer's investigation of suspected "pay for play" practices in the music industry.

A Sony BMG spokesman didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.

But Spitzer said Sony BMG has agreed to hire a compliance officer to monitor promotion practices and to issue a statement acknowledging "improper conduct" and pledging higher standards.

 

Sorry,  but “naive” is believing a label would go to illegal measures and risk million dollar fines to push a song to #1 on an irrelevant chart after its already been a #1 on Hot 100.

 

[Porygon2z]

1 hour ago, iHype. said:

 So she purposely had it pulled to make room for her new single tomorrow. The way y’all tried it. It all makes sense. She has two songs Top 20 on Pop and obviously it’d be extremely hard to get a third one in rotation at the same time so they shot down the big bird to make room for a new one.

 

This is why even as non stans, never doubt Taylor. The most smartly calculated artist ever. 

Of course this is sarcasm.

[Cap10Planet]

11 minutes ago, iHype. said:

Literally the 3 biggest singles artists of this decade (Katy, Bruno, and Rihanna) all failed to go #1 on Pop with their last lead singles. Absolutely nobody cares about the chart and it wouldn’t have been deemed “a failure” to not top it. 

 

 

 

With the exception of Rihanna, both Katy's and Bruno's were disappointments compared to their other hit singles overall anyway.

 

And no, the pop/CHR radio chart is a chart that industry insiders and fans care about. Stop the madness.

 

No, it's naive to believe that a song that was stalling at #4 and suddenly revived and then died off a couple of days after it hit #1 wasn't propelled by some illegal tactic. Face it, "Look" is an over-hyped single that didn't have much longevity in any metric.

Edited October 19, 2017 by Cap10Planet

[iHype.]

5 minutes ago, Cap10Planet said:

With the exception of Rihanna, both Katy's and Bruno's were a disappointment compared to their other hit singles overall anyway.

 

And no the pop/CHR radio chart is a chart that industry insiders and fans care about. Stop the madness.

 

No, it's naive to believe that a song that was stalling at #4 and suddenly was revived and then died off a couple of days after hit #1 wasn't propelled by some illegal tactic. "Look" is an over-hyped single that didn't have much longevity in any metric.

Only Katy’s was a disappointment overall considering she didn’t even go Top 5 and barely went Top 10. 24K Magic has became a staple, and another radio smash overall for Bruno, literally nobody cares it didn’t peak at #1 on Pop.

 

Using your logic, why did her label let We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together peak at #2 on Pop radio? It was her first broadly Pop lead single and there was heavy attention to see how it would perform. 

 

Hot 100 is also a chart industry insiders and fans care about, and she removed her music from all streaming services publicly hindering her positions.

 

If  you’re going to be certain her label went out of their way to use illegal measures to put her #1 then have concrete proof and not “the updates are BAD!!! There’s just no other explanation”. 

[Cap10Planet]

You're speaking about "24k Magic" in hindsight. It was still not a huge single in the vein of "Grenade" or "Locked Out of Heaven." But ironically, it will outlast "Look" in the minds of many, so Bruno wins in that respect.

 

"Hot 100 is also a chart industry insiders and fans care about, and she removed her music from all streaming services."

And now all of her music is back on there because she knew she couldn't get those hits without streaming services in 2017. Your point?

 

A #2 peak on CHR radio for a #1 single is much better than a #4 peak on CHR radio for a highly hyped #1 single. No one wanted "Look" after its peak. Its positions on Spotify and iTunes support this claim.

 

Furthermore, there was no reason for her label or her to "tell" big stations to stop playing "Look" to replace it with a new single. It was STALLING just last week before it got those suspicious updates. Big radio stations were dropping it anyway. "Gorgeous" is being rushed out because none want "Look" or "Not Ready for It?".

 

Edited October 19, 2017 by Cap10Planet

[Thickorita]

the performance of gorgeous will be very telling

 

 

[H-I-M]

9 minutes ago, iHype. said:

 

Using your logic, why did her label let We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together peak at #2 on Pop radio? It was her first broadly Pop lead single and there was heavy attention to see how it would perform. 

 

 

That was 5 years ago, you can't just toss "using your logic" around like that, times changed.

[H-I-M]

1 minute ago, Thickorita said:

the performance of gorgeous will be very telling

 

 

 

It will be her Judas. Book marké me.

[sadnews]

come on ihype. it was obvious payola that country label do it all the time for #1 airplay title.

everyone on pulse forum agree on it.

[iHype.]

4 minutes ago, H-I-M said:

 

That was 5 years ago, you can't just toss "using your logic" around like that, times changed.

How have times changed? Was payola invented last year or? 

 

WANEGBT was a controversial lead single for her career and was the follow up to a million debuting album, there was pressure for it to do great. Why did they not take all measures to make sure it went #1? 

 

If anything in 2012, Pop Radio was MORE important to be successful on seeing as it controlled the Pop-ruled Hot 100. 

[Thickorita]

1 minute ago, H-I-M said:

 

It will be her Judas. Book marké me.

wasn't that ready for it? her edge of glory is coming

 

 

[Starkboy]

23 minutes ago, iHype. said:

Literally the 3 biggest singles artists of this decade (Katy, Bruno, and Rihanna) all failed to go #1 on Pop with their last lead singles. Absolutely nobody cares about the chart and it wouldn’t have been deemed “a failure” to not top it. 

makes no sense comparing Work and LWYMMD tho

Also, 24K Magic underperforming on pop radio was given a pass considering how big TWIL was  Will the same happen to Taylor and her next single? 

[H-I-M]

2 minutes ago, iHype. said:

How have times changed? Was payola invented last year or? 

 

 

Example #1

 

7 minutes ago, Cap10Planet said:

 

"Hot 100 is also a chart industry insiders and fans care about, and she removed her music from all streaming services."

And now all of her music is back on there because she knew she couldn't get those hits without streaming services in 2017. Your point?

 

 

 

Her and her label's strategy changed.

Edited October 19, 2017 by H-I-M

[Braz]

She obviously made a deal to get a Pop number 1. Even if the deal involved her performing at the Jingle Ball thing, that's still quid pro quo and super shady.

 

And the song is not freefalling at her request, lmao, they agreed to pump a turd into high rotation and now are getting rid of it.

[Cap10Planet]

Did he say I should have 'concrete proof' of these payola claims? Where is the 'concrete proof' that she told big stations to stop playing "Look" (they were before her label took the shady route, so there was no need) to make way for "Gorgeous"?

 

Why would she do that anyway? Unless she was planning on doing some witchery for "Gorgeous".

 

[Gaia]

Do people really believe the song naturally stalled, then had a unbelievable resurgence for a week before dropped like a damn meteor IMMEDIATELY after.

 

Look has been dropping in streaming and sales every week and has terrible call out scores, there is 0 reason for radios to suddenly put it on power rotation. 

 

How naive do you have to be? Taylor’s charting for the past week looks exactly like a new singles first week payola updates. Incredulous updates followed by a drastic fall. 

Edited October 19, 2017 by Kkamjong

[iHype.]

9 minutes ago, Cap10Planet said:

You're speaking about "24k Magic" in hindsight. It was still not a huge single in the vein of "Grenade" or "Locked Out of Heaven." But ironically, it will outlast "Look" in the minds of many, so Bruno wins in that respect.

 

"Hot 100 is also a chart industry insiders and fans care about, and she removed her music from all streaming services."

And now all of her music is back on there because she knew she couldn't get those hits without streaming services in 2017. Your point?

 

A #2 peak on CHR radio for a #1 single is much better than a #4 peak on CHR radio for a highly hyped #1 single. No one wanted "Look" after its peak. Its positions on Spotify and iTunes support this claim.

 

Furthermore, there was no reason for her label or her to "tell" big stations to stop playing "Look" to replace it with a new single. It was STALLING just last week before it got those suspicious updates. Big radio stations were dropping it anyway. "Gorgeous" is being rushed out because none want "Look" or "Not Ready for It?".

 

 

2 minutes ago, H-I-M said:

 

Example #1

 

 

 

Her and her label's strategy changed.

The point still stands looking from that perspective though. Hot 100 was HEAVILY controlled by Pop radio in 2012 so it was even more relevant and necessary to be successful on. Why did they not payola her to #1 then?

 

#2 and #4 literally is not a “much better” difference. They’re both top 5, and currently less than a 200 spin difference between the positions. They’re relatively the same sized hit, versus #2 and #10 which is a clear difference. 

 

LWYMMD going #1 and having a record breaking fall is still being talked about as much as it missing #1 so what exactly would’ve been the achievement worth illegal measures?