Frozen99 Posted February 17, 2017 Posted February 17, 2017 (edited) Katy's doing great, curious about today's update On 2/13/2017 at 5:11 PM, Before the Dawn said: At least it had a huge effect on digital sales, hence the 448k sold in just 3 days The anticipation was so huge she'd sell that regardless of the deal imo. I just found it funny someone called it 'a record', no bad blood Edited February 17, 2017 by Frozen99
grandewhispers Posted February 17, 2017 Posted February 17, 2017 KATY PERRY - Chained To The Rhythm: 81.041 (+ 8.365) LADY GAGA - Million Reasons: 22.075 (+0.788)
Émotif Fool Posted February 17, 2017 Posted February 17, 2017 I hope IFIC is just having a bad week, I believe the same thing happened to Starboy before it had a pretty nice revival
Fruity Posted February 17, 2017 Posted February 17, 2017 Shape Of You is surely going to break the pop AI record.
Yooorsh Posted February 17, 2017 Posted February 17, 2017 What's the tracking week for radio? Saturday-Friday?
FanOfPop Posted February 17, 2017 Posted February 17, 2017 11 minutes ago, Yooorsh said: What's the tracking week for radio? Saturday-Friday? Monday - Sunday
FanOfPop Posted February 17, 2017 Posted February 17, 2017 I think rolling effect for "Chained To The Rhythm" will be enormous tomorrow.
Mr. Adele Posted February 17, 2017 Posted February 17, 2017 9 hours ago, Jeiboy said: Alessia #1 on HAC Is this her first #1 on HAC? Where did Here peak?
ParallelLines Posted February 17, 2017 Posted February 17, 2017 [Question] The Rhythmic and Urban radio formats used to be two of the prime dominant radio formats in the 2000's (2003-2007 mostly), their overall clout was significantly bigger than that of Pop radio, but their leverage seems to have decreased over the last seven to ten years. For example... Neilsen BDS. 1. Peak AI: 196.3. Irreplaceable: Beyonce - 2006 2. Peak AI: 192.4M. No One: Alicia Keys - 2007 3. Peak AI: 189.6M. Let Me Love You: Mario - 2005 4. Peak AI: 185.6M. Golddigger: Kanye West - 2005 5. Peak AI: 171.4M. Be Without You: Mary J Blige - 2006 Allegedly, Mary J Blige's "Be Without You" accumulated an AI high of 80M+ on Rhythmic radio at its peak. How is that possible when number one songs on the format today generally average within the 33-38M+ region? Are these numbers inflated? Is this a result of Pop radio gaining more formats thus having an increased/increasing audience share as Urban and Rhythmic radio decreased/decreases in formats as the musical climate changed? Or other reasons? Thoughts? @iHype. @brianc33616 @alexanderao
iHype. Posted February 17, 2017 Posted February 17, 2017 14 minutes ago, ParallelLines said: [Question] The Rhythmic and Urban radio formats used to be two of the prime dominant radio formats in the 2000's (2003-2007 mostly), their overall clout was significantly bigger than that of Pop radio, but their leverage seems to have decreased over the last seven to ten years. For example... Neilsen BDS. 1. Peak AI: 196.3. Irreplaceable: Beyonce - 2006 2. Peak AI: 192.4M. No One: Alicia Keys - 2007 3. Peak AI: 189.6M. Let Me Love You: Mario - 2005 4. Peak AI: 185.6M. Golddigger: Kanye West - 2005 5. Peak AI: 171.4M. Be Without You: Mary J Blige - 2006 Allegedly, Mary J Blige's "Be Without You" accumulated an AI high of 80M+ on Rhythmic radio at its peak. How is that possible when number one songs on the format today generally average within the 33-38M+ region? Are these numbers inflated? Is this a result of Pop radio gaining more formats thus having an increased/increasing audience share as Urban and Rhythmic radio decreased/decreases in formats as the musical climate changed? Or other reasons? Thoughts? @iHype. @brianc33616 @alexanderao They decreased Rhythmic/Urban's audience and increased Pop/HAC's during 2008-2010. Now a Pop hit can get 150M from just Pop/HAC, then a song could get 100M+ from Rhythmic/Urban. Then Pop radio would play Urban songs once they got to the top from Rhythmic/Urban radio. When We Belong Together reigned on radio: Pop Radio - 73.977M audience (#1) Rhythmic Radio - 81.181M audience (#1) Urban Radio - 50.607M audience (#1) Urban AC Radio - 18.991M audience (#2) Urban crossover hits always got 150m+ audience. Urban/Rhythmic obviously didn't play Pop hits, so almost all Pop hits stalled at 100m~ audience. Which is why Urban/Rhythmic always went #1 in that period Now it's the opposite. Pop hits get propelled to the top of radio from Pop/HAC support, while Urban/Rhythmic hits stall at 50m~ audience.
ParallelLines Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, iHype. said: They decreased Rhythmic/Urban's audience and increased Pop/HAC's during 2008-2010. Now a Pop hit can get 150M from just Pop/HAC, then a song could get 100M+ from Rhythmic/Urban. Then Pop radio would play Urban songs once they got to the top from Rhythmic/Urban radio. When We Belong Together reigned on radio: Pop Radio - 73.977M audience (#1) Rhythmic Radio - 81.181M audience (#1) Urban Radio - 50.607M audience (#1) Urban AC Radio - 18.991M audience (#2) Urban crossover hits always got 150m+ audience. Urban/Rhythmic obviously didn't play Pop hits, so almost all Pop hits stalled at 100m~ audience. Which is why Urban/Rhythmic always went #1 in that period Now it's the opposite. Pop hits get propelled to the top of radio from Pop/HAC support, while Urban/Rhythmic hits stall at 50m~ audience. Thank you so for this @iHype.. This makes much more sense now as I simply couldn't understand why Rhythmic radio hits in the mid to late-2000's were accumulating audience shares of 70-80M+ and today they often stall within the 35 - 40M+ region. Okay, I have several other questions: Do you know if they'll increase the leverage of Rhythmic/Urban radio once again as the musical climate shifts more towards that sound, perhaps? With the rapidly expanding advent of audio streaming, where Rhythmic/Urban songs seem to perform their best on such platforms and this being reflected on the Hot 100, do you think Pop radio will be force to assimilate or will they just remain neutral to the more Pop-friendly/Rhythmic-lite songs? Also, to your knowledge that is, do you know why AC/HAC radio today is rather oblivious to playing Black artists? I believe "All Of Me" was the biggest hit across both formats by a lead Black artist in quite some time, followed by "Stay" if im not mistaken. Is it simply a case of most Black artists just not sending their songs there for playlisting? Edited February 18, 2017 by ParallelLines
ParallelLines Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Jeiboy said: Paris is peaking on Pop already They are, quite literally, the LMFAO of the 2016/2017 period. I simply do not see them experiencing consistent nor omnipresent success at all. Edited February 18, 2017 by ParallelLines
Disco Love Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 Chainsmokers should have pushed All We Know and Setting Fires instead. Both are superior to Paris.
UNNAMI Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 Chainsmokers should release new single with something big. I guess Linkin Park would be good since they really maroon'ed and chainsmokers'ed themselfs in new single. they are pop act now and it is sad.
Beatfreak Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 1 hour ago, ParallelLines said: They are, quite literally, the LMFAO of the 2016/2017 period. I simply do not see them experiencing consistent nor omnipresent success at all. LMFAO minus the Super Bowl appearance I HOPE
Letters From Adi Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 4 hours ago, Mr. Adele said: Is this her first #1 on HAC? Where did Here peak? #16
iHype. Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 3 hours ago, ParallelLines said: Thank you so for this @iHype.. This makes much more sense now as I simply couldn't understand why Rhythmic radio hits in the mid to late-2000's were accumulating audience shares of 70-80M+ and today they often stall within the 35 - 40M+ region. Okay, I have several other questions: Do you know if they'll increase the leverage of Rhythmic/Urban radio once again as the musical climate shifts more towards that sound, perhaps? With the rapidly expanding advent of audio streaming, where Rhythmic/Urban songs seem to perform their best on such platforms and this being reflected on the Hot 100, do you think Pop radio will be force to assimilate or will they just remain neutral to the more Pop-friendly/Rhythmic-lite songs? Also, to your knowledge that is, do you know why AC/HAC radio today is rather oblivious to playing Black artists? I believe "All Of Me" was the biggest hit across both formats by a lead Black artist in quite some time, followed by "Stay" if im not mistaken. Is it simply a case of most Black artists just not sending their songs there for playlisting? It all comes down to their research on how the public listens to radio, that determines how they divide up audience. Nobody can say in the future whether they'll find more of the public listens to Urban/Rhythmic radio or not. HAC just hates anything outside the Pop-appeal realm, so they'll never play Urban hits (even "Rap" songs by Iggy, Macklemore, Pitbull, etc flopped on HAC) rather than black artists. They'll push Pop hits by black artists to #1, as long as it's very Pop (Happy, All of Me, Can't Feel My Face, Am I Wrong). Although, they've completely sold out as a format. 10 years ago HAC never even touched songs by artists like Rihanna, Katy Perry, Bruno Mars, Taylor Swift, etc. It was literally just AC radio with a little more exceptions (artists like Ed Sheeran or Michael Buble). Nowadays they play literally whatever Pop radio plays minus the non-Pop songs. So maybe in the future they'll sell out more and start playing Urban hits. With AC not playing black artists, many black artists these days don't release Pop-appealing ballads as singles, so yeah, that's moreso the reason AC never plays black artists (their format is Pop ballads and joyful Pop songs that'd appeal to a 40+ year old audience like Happy and Can't Stop the Feeling). It's simply a case of most black artists music not fitting the format.
Mr. Adele Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 3 hours ago, ParallelLines said: They are, quite literally, the LMFAO of the 2016/2017 period. I simply do not see them experiencing consistent nor omnipresent success at all. Tea I hope you are right and they vanish like LMFAO did.
brianc33710 Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 5 hours ago, ParallelLines said: [Question] The Rhythmic and Urban radio formats used to be two of the prime dominant radio formats in the 2000's (2003-2007 mostly), their overall clout was significantly bigger than that of Pop radio, but their leverage seems to have decreased over the last seven to ten years. For example... Neilsen BDS. 1. Peak AI: 196.3. Irreplaceable: Beyonce - 2006 2. Peak AI: 192.4M. No One: Alicia Keys - 2007 3. Peak AI: 189.6M. Let Me Love You: Mario - 2005 4. Peak AI: 185.6M. Golddigger: Kanye West - 2005 5. Peak AI: 171.4M. Be Without You: Mary J Blige - 2006 Allegedly, Mary J Blige's "Be Without You" accumulated an AI high of 80M+ on Rhythmic radio at its peak. How is that possible when number one songs on the format today generally average within the 33-38M+ region? Are these numbers inflated? Is this a result of Pop radio gaining more formats thus having an increased/increasing audience share as Urban and Rhythmic radio decreased/decreases in formats as the musical climate changed? Or other reasons? Thoughts? @iHype. @brianc33616 @alexanderao I do know Deborah Cox's "Nobody's Supposed To Be Here" peaked at around 88 million impressions on just BB's Urban and Urban AC stations, late 1998-early 1999. Now the Urban, Urban AC, and Rhythmic #1s combined (on MB) don't total up to that much. That would be an interesting topic to research. I also remember Celine Dion's "My Heart Will Go On" set an audience record on BB's prior HRS Chart of 117 million. At that time, HRS included Top 40, HAC, AC, Rhythmic, and Alternative Rock. Obviously, Closer got close to that number of impressions on just Top 40. Maybe Top 40 is over-weighted right now.
brianc33710 Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 55 minutes ago, iHype. said: It all comes down to their research on how the public listens to radio, that determines how they divide up audience. Nobody can say in the future whether they'll find more of the public listens to Urban/Rhythmic radio or not. HAC just hates anything outside the Pop-appeal realm, so they'll never play Urban hits (even "Rap" songs by Iggy, Macklemore, Pitbull, etc flopped on HAC) rather than black artists. They'll push Pop hits by black artists to #1, as long as it's very Pop (Happy, All of Me, Can't Feel My Face, Am I Wrong). Although, they've completely sold out as a format. 10 years ago HAC never even touched songs by artists like Rihanna, Katy Perry, Bruno Mars, Taylor Swift, etc. It was literally just AC radio with a little more exceptions (artists like Ed Sheeran or Michael Buble). Nowadays they play literally whatever Pop radio plays minus the non-Pop songs. So maybe in the future they'll sell out more and start playing Urban hits. With AC not playing black artists, many black artists these days don't release Pop-appealing ballads as singles, so yeah, that's moreso the reason AC never plays black artists (their format is Pop ballads and joyful Pop songs that'd appeal to a 40+ year old audience like Happy and Can't Stop the Feeling). It's simply a case of most black artists music not fitting the format. I would argue HAC has gone far more Rhythmic in recent years. Songs like Party Rock Anthem, Thrift Shop, My House, See You Again, and Love The Way You Lie would never have charted on HAC charts in the early 2000s, but did so with relative ease by the 2010s. In 2000, Top 40 played a much bigger variety than just Pop, as Country and Rock crossover songs were considered acceptable alongside Pop, Rhythmic, and Rap. HAC actually remained fairly close to what T 40 was around 2000 through the very early 2010s. Then at some point, HAC started shunning Country and Rock crossovers once welcomed at the format, and began adding more Rhythmic and Rap-Sung songs. The HAC station down here in Tampa is almost T 40, and even plays the Top 40 version of American Top 40 instead of the HAC version. There was a second HAC station here briefly that filled the role of what HAC used to be, playing more Country and Rock crossovers and staying away from Rap (I liked that station). Unfortunately, that HAC station folded, and the Top 40 leaning HAC station is still going. Unless it's on Ryan Seacrest's show, 100.7 won't touch Country or Rock crossovers. They seem more interested in trying to pull away listeners from the two Top 40 stations down here than actually playing what should be HAC music. I still have 100.7 as a preset (I don't have either T40 station as a preset), because it's still a little better than T 40, but not by much anymore. One thing of note: The main difference between Top 40 Pop and Top 40 Rhythmic when the two charts were developed 25 years ago was T 40 P's refusal to play Rap. Then that became the distinction between T 40 P and HAC. Right now, AC is more like HAC was in the early 2010s, but even here AC is adding more Rhythmic songs than I ever dreamed would have happened ten years ago. T 40, HAC, and now even AC is more interested in Rhythm than anything else, and HAC doesn't mind if there's some rap mixed in with some songs are not. Remember SYA and My House even charted on AC, and both of those songs contained rap. Some AC stations also played Starboy, despite its clear edits for profanity. AC wouldn't have considered playing songs like that not that long ago. Perfect and Forget You had clean edits, whereas SB only alters the chorus.
fridayteenage Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 they're lmfao? hmm, they seem to have more t10 hits. iirc, tied for the most for a duo this century.
brianc33710 Posted February 18, 2017 Posted February 18, 2017 I really wish we could go back to the days before songs got these "deals" at radio, as these are growing into a major pet peeve for me. Believe me, in the 1990s and 2000sm once stations new a superstar had a new song out, the stations would play the songs on their own. There was no need for hourly play on the first day because the public decided how much they liked the new songs. If the public was big on a new song, stations would rapidly increase the songs' spins/impressions on their stations. I Will Always Love You and I'll Be There For You (Friends theme song) hit #1 in their fourth week without help. It should be that way now. Of course, I also think we should return to only releasing a song for digital downloads one at a time as the songs are released (the practice through much of the 2000s) instead of everything at once. I would say the same for streaming, one song at a time. Unfortunately, the one song at a time for downloads and streaming won't happen because of the way the BB 200 works now.
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