charts discussion US Airplay Discussion

[Raphy23]

12 hours ago, nick4bty said:

Eh, Pop listeners pretty much seem to hate all Pop girls and have for years, Taylor is just victim to this. And I truly don't get it. Her songs are tailor () made for radio, she gives radio everything they could possibly want out of a pop song, and they still don't vibe with it. I wouldn't say she really changed anything from Reputation/Lover/Folklore/Evermore, where the only bona fide radio hit she could get out of those four albums combined was Delicate. Anti-Hero was more of a LWYMMD situation, an out-of-the-gate smash that benefited from a dry radio environment, but that 35% love rate is pretty terrible for such a big song. Just more of the same with these damn callout scores. Lavender Haze is clearly feeling the effects with pretty much no love from any of the top of the markets. 

OMG you don't even know. I listen to a evening radio show every night where they "hit or miss" a brand new song everyday. They take callers, and almost everyday I hear "this song is horrible, almost Taylor Swift levels horrible"  Usually they sound like some old country bumpkin. but I swear I hear this almost everyday. the amount of radio listeners that are Taylor haters is astronomical. And the funny thing is the same station has AH and LH on power despite all these haters

 

Sorry for all this spam, I always forget to multi quote 

Edited April 6, 2023 by Raphy23

[Michael196]

so now pop audience peak is barely above country's which will help most of the garbage they payola to the top of their genre chart, contaminate the hot100 and overall radio's top 10s, as if maga wallen wasn't enough 

[Sinister]

In essence, the recalibration made Morgan Wallen gain 6M ai against Sza

[Raphy23]

2 minutes ago, Michael196 said:

so now pop audience peak is barely above country's which will help most of the garbage they payola to the top of their genre chart, contaminate the hot100 and overall radio's top 10s, as if maga wallen wasn't enough 

Yea I was thinking the same. This is helping country songs so much.

[nick4bty]

Geez what's happening to Pop and HAC radio  This is awful. They've lost half their listenership in the last 5-7 years. I guess it's just less people listening to those stations over Spotify/AM, while the country audience is still buying their music on iTunes

 

This could have big effects on the Hot 100 tho. Country sounds could infiltrate. Way more important now for pop songs to do well on streaming, which is already hard for them as it is. 

[Heart.me]

Country won 

[Headlock]

I mean it’s annoying but it does reflect reality to an extent, less Pop listeners turn to radio over streaming nowdays, while radio still remains more relevant for Country and Rock listeners who tend to be older/more set in their ways about their music consumption. 
 

Tbh if we still had amazing country artists like back in the day with cross-over smashes like The Chicks, Shania, or Faith Hill, I wouldn’t mind, but the bro-country MAGA drivel these radio stations push the top over everyone else is going to make this shift a mess for the charts 

[xBoySelenatorx]

So this happens bcs pop stations is losing audience? Is this why 60M-70 in audience became the new “normal” when it used to be 90M-120M?

[Ger]

4 minutes ago, xBoySelenatorx said:

So this happens bcs pop stations is losing audience? Is this why 60M-70 in audience became the new “normal” when it used to be 90M-120M?

Yeah, recalibration comes as a way to keep the estimates accurate and updated. Current-based formats such as Pop, HAC and Rhythmic have been negatively impacted in recent years losing their relevance. News/Talk, Adult Contemporary and Country are the top 3 radio formats.

[Blade]

53 minutes ago, Ger-55 said:

Yeah, recalibration comes as a way to keep the estimates accurate and updated. Current-based formats such as Pop, HAC and Rhythmic have been negatively impacted in recent years losing their relevance. News/Talk, Adult Contemporary and Country are the top 3 radio formats.

How is AC Top 3 when it still has less AI than Pop and HAC when comparing their charts?

[Ger]

14 minutes ago, Blade said:

How is AC Top 3 when it still has less AI than Pop and HAC when comparing their charts?

Because its library is way more diverse: big focus on 80's music, but also 90's, 00's and today's music. Pop and AC have two different approaches: Pop radio is about to play aggresively what's current, songs on Power rotation receive 100+ spins/week, while AC's songs 30+ spins/week. Pop is more repetitive because its programming schedule consists on playing the top songs constantly considering the time spent listening to the format is typically low (just a few minutes). For example if you divide the audience between the total spins received on each respective format, taking "Flowers" as example:

 

Pop

54.903 / 18.093 = 3.03

 

AC

14.837 / 2.582 = 5.75

 

In short, a play (spin) on AC will atract more people because there's more people tuning in, compared to Pop.

[Michael196]

3 hours ago, Raphy23 said:

Yea I was thinking the same. This is helping country songs so much.

it's not that I hate the genre, but everyone that follows this thread knows how that format works and the endless back to back mediocre #1s in the past years and that's not the worst part too when the highest woman is at #14 and there's a total of 5 women in the top 30 where one of them even shares the main credit with another man 

[Blade]

6 minutes ago, Ger-55 said:

Because its library is way more diverse: big focus on 80's music, but also 90's, 00's and today's music. Pop and AC have two different approaches: Pop radio is about to play aggresively what's current, songs on Power rotation receive 100+ spins/week, while AC's songs 30+ spins/week. Pop is more repetitive because its programming schedule consists on playing the top songs constantly considering the time spent listening to the format is typically low (just a few minutes). For example if you divide the audience between the total spins received on each respective format, taking "Flowers" as example:

 

Pop

54.903 / 18.093 = 3.03

 

AC

14.837 / 2.582 = 5.75

 

In short, a play (spin) on AC will atract more people because there's more people tuning in, compared to Pop.

Audience impressions aren't audience attractions though.

They are a measurement of what reach a song will have (an estimate of course). The #1 song at Pop is being listened to by more people than the #1 song at AC. (In this case they're the same song but the point still stands)

 

If 14.8m people are hearing Flowers on AC per week that means per spin, 5,750 hear it. That number is lower for Pop (3,000) but more impressions are still being accumulated by the song just because of how much it's being spun.
 

At a single moment, AC may have more listeners than Pop (in this case 5.7k vs 3k)

but like you said, Pop listeners listen to those stations for much less time. It's more of a revolving door of listeners so more people hear the songs on Pop compared to others. Hence the massive audience difference.

 

I'm not saying you're wrong in what you said, I just think we are thinking of different measurements. AC does have more loyal, long standing listeners.

 

The REACH Pop spins have is massive though.

 

[Ger]

1 hour ago, Blade said:

Audience impressions aren't audience attractions though.

They are a measurement of what reach a song will have (an estimate of course). The #1 song at Pop is being listened to by more people than the #1 song at AC. (In this case they're the same song but the point still stands)

 

If 14.8m people are hearing Flowers on AC per week that means per spin, 5,750 hear it. That number is lower for Pop (3,000) but more impressions are still being accumulated by the song just because of how much it's being spun.
 

At a single moment, AC may have more listeners than Pop (in this case 5.7k vs 3k)

but like you said, Pop listeners listen to those stations for much less time. It's more of a revolving door of listeners so more people hear the songs on Pop compared to others. Hence the massive audience difference.

 

I'm not saying you're wrong in what you said, I just think we are thinking of different measurements. AC does have more loyal, long standing listeners.

 

The REACH Pop spins have is massive though.

 

Yeah, I agree with eveything you explained. No lies spotted. Not trying to minimize Pop Audience Impressions at all, that's still a huge reach it has.

[brianc33710]

11 hours ago, Ger-55 said:

Format changes after re-calibration

Based on comparing yesterday's and today's total audience reported on Top 50 chart of each format.

 

Pop -9.86%

Hot AC -8.03%

Christian -7.51%

AC -3.69%

Alternative -3.57%

Spanish Contemporary -2.64%

Urban -0.87%

Rhythmic -0.63%

Tropical Latin -0.24%

Urban/R&B +0.13%

Country +0.20%

Dance +1.50%

Active Rock +11.24%

Triple A +29.99%

Cool 😎 my 2 favorite formats, Active Rock & Country gained (though Country just barely). Alternative (& Christian) lost but AAA had the highest percentage gain. 

[Ger]

POP

1 (+1) Kill Bill: 18101 (+10) | 53.289 (+0.140)

2 (-1) Flowers: 18015 (-78) | 54.817 (-0.086) 

3. Creepin': 16914 (-104) | 52.489 (-0.188) 

4. Die for You: 15067 (-160) | 42.871 (-0.617) 

5. Calm Down: 12609 (+239) | 37.957 (+0.625) 

6. Lavender Haze: 11724 (-29) | 30.603 (-0.191) 

7. Escapism.: 11299 (+31) | 30.992 (+0.085) 

8. Sure Thing: 10567 (+249) | 30.599 (+0.798) 

9. Players: 9186 (+90) | 26.052 (+0.390) 

10. Bloody Mary: 8616 (+77) | 23.636 (-0.014)

 

11. Unholy: 8186 (-30) | 21.124 (-0.054) 

12. Boy's a liar, Pt. 2: 7953 (+113) | 24.081 (+0.534) 

13. Special: 7143 (+24) | 17.871 (-0.003) 

14. Love Again: 7002 (+17) | 14.402 (+0.030) 

15. Eyes Closed: 6538 (+126) | 18.577 (+0.252) 

16. Nonsense: 6337 (+76) | 16.697 (+0.342) 

17. Lottery: 5644 (+30) | 11.068 (+0.199) 

18. River: 5106 (+46) | 11.652 (-0.085) 

19. Thank God: 4900 (+57) | 9.824 (+0.220) 

20. Heaven: 4818 (+46) | 11.209 (=) 

 

21. Last Night: 4798 (+56) | 12.818 (+0.150) 

22. Mother: 2636 (+114) | 4.164 (+0.255) 

23. Heart Wants What It Wants: 2505 (+77) | 4.242 (+0.154) 

24. Cinderella Snapped: 2387 (+30) | 4.209 (+0.038) 

25. Die 4 Me: 2201 (+60) | 3.298 (+0.035) 

26. Can't Tame Her: 1921 (+23) | 2.814 (-0.013) 

27. Nobody Gets Me: 1702 (-120) | 4.586 (-0.423) 

28 (+1) LEFT RIGHT: 1618 (+42) | 2.140 (+0.041) 

29 (-1) 10:35: 1554 (-125) | 2.281 (-0.187) 

30 (+1) Favorite Song: 1494 (+170) | 3.308 (+0.395) 

 

32. ceilings: 1295 (+81) | 2.721 (+0.155) 

36. All of the Girls You Loved Before : 831 (+19) | 3.309 (+0.047) 

37. TRUSTFALL: 763 (+80) | 0.954 (+0.106) 

39. Red Ruby Da Sleeze: 555 (+21) | 1.312 (+0.040) 

40. this is what heartbreak feels like: 483 (-22) | 0.367 (-0.009) 

42. Love From the Other Side: 386 (-2) | 0.810 (-0.007) 

43. That's Now How This Works: 339 (+87) | 0.792 (+0.144) 

45. Pretty Girls Walk: 210 (+5) | 0.300 (+0.010) 

[industry baby]

6 minutes ago, Ger-55 said:

3. Creepin': 16914 (-104) | 52.489 (-0.188) 

4. Die for You: 15067 (-160) | 42.871 (-0.617) 

Thank you God! 

These two deserves Taylor Swift songs kinda record breaking falls. 

[Ger]

OVERALL

 

** = Incorrect update (song was dropped from or added to a format)

 

1. Miley Cyrus - "Flowers" 107.35 (-0.16) 

2. Metro Boomin, The Weeknd & 21 Savage - "Creepin'" 100.57 (+0.23) 

3. SZA - "Kill Bill" 98.83 (+0.19) **

4. The Weeknd - "Die for You" 70.18 (-0.87) 

5. Coi Leray - "Players" 63.81 (-0.11) 

6. Rema & Selena Gomez - "Calm Down" 55.74 (+1.03) 

7. David Guetta & Bebe Rexha - "I'm Good (Blue)" 51.90 (-0.63) 

8. Taylor Swift - "Anti-Hero" 51.38 (-0.43) 

9. Chris Brown - "Under the Influence" 51.07 (-0.47) 

10. Taylor Swift - "Lavender Haze" 49.76 (-0.28) 

 

11. Bailey Zimmerman - "Rock and a Hard Place" 48.89 (+0.04) 

12. Harry Styles - "As It Was" 47.06 (-0.01) **

13. RAYE - "Escapism. (feat. 070 Shake)" 46.02 (+0.08) **

14. Lady Gaga - "Bloody Mary" 42.36 (-0.10) 

15. Kane Brown & Katelyn Brown - "Thank God" 41.56 (-0.05) 

16 (+1) PinkPantheress & Ice Spice - "Boy's a liar Pt. 2" 39.19 (+0.76) 

17 (-1) Lainey Wilson - "Heart Like a Truck" 38.18 (-2.22) 

18. Dierks Bentley - "Gold" 37.75 (+0.65) 

19. Parker McCollum - "Handle on You" 37.43 (+0.34) 

20. Lizzo - "Special (feat. SZA)" 36.74 (+0.00) 

 

HARDY & Lainey Wilson - "wait in the truck" 35.99 (+0.44) 

Morgan Wallen - "Thought You Should Know" 35.35 (-0.14) 

Miguel - "Sure Thing" 35.02 (+0.83) 

Sam Smith & Kim Petras - "Unholy" 34.42 (-0.05) 

Morgan Wallen - "Last Night" 32.55 (+0.93) 

Ed Sheeran - "Eyes Closed" 31.59 (+0.42) 

Tyler Hubbard - "Dancin' in the Country" 28.24 (+0.66) 

The Kid LAROI - "Love Again" 24.15 (-0.09) 

Morgan Wallen - "One Thing at a Time" 22.64 (+0.53) 

Morgan Wallen - "You Proof" 20.47 (-0.60) 

Latto - "Lottery (feat. LU KALA)" 19.93 (+0.13) 

Miley Cyrus - "River"  18.85 (+0.10) 

Niall Horan - "Heaven" 18.70 (-0.02) 

Sabrina Carpenter - "Nonsense" 17.51 (+0.36) 

Nicki Minaj - "Red Ruby Da Sleeze" 15.03 (+0.21) 

Toosii - "Favorite Song" 10.64 (+0.59) 

KAROL G & Shakira - "TQG" 10.62 (+0.11) 

Zach Bryan - "Something in the Orange" 7.65 (-0.08) 

SZA - "Snooze" 0.64 (+0.03) 

[hausofbryan]

10. Bloody Mary: 8616 (+77)

 

 

 

Officially earned the BB Pop Songs Top 10.

 

I’d love if this returned to +100 updates for a bit. 

[industry baby]

5 minutes ago, hausofbryan said:

10. Bloody Mary: 8616 (+77)

 

 

 

Officially earned the BB Pop Songs Top 10.

 

I’d love if this returned to +100 updates for a bit. 

Slow and steady always wins the race. 

Bloody Mary was #36 with 1k spins in January 6 

and went #10 with 8.5k spins in April 6. 

 

Who knew maybe it will top the Pop charts in June 6 

[pride4jc1222]

Unholy is going recurrent, and these two are fighting not to get purged this week:

 

40. this is what heartbreak feels like: 483 (-22) | 0.367 (-0.009) 

42. Love From the Other Side: 386 (-2) | 0.810 (-0.007) 
 

If they survive this week, Pop needs to drop Calm Down and give some of its spins to these songs.

[Ger]

3 minutes ago, pride4jc1222 said:

Pop needs to drop Calm Down

No, it doesn't. It's a song loved by the GP and it's one of the best songs to play currently.

[pride4jc1222]

11 minutes ago, Ger-55 said:

No, it doesn't. It's a song loved by the GP and it's one of the best songs to play currently.

“But the song is well past 20 weeks now.” That was the excuse people were giving when golden hour, which was similarly liked by the GP, was getting dropped on Pop a few months earlier. So why should Calm Down be an exception?

Edited April 7, 2023 by pride4jc1222

[industry baby]

20 minutes ago, pride4jc1222 said:

Unholy is going recurrent, and these two are fighting not to get purged this week:

 

 

40. this is what heartbreak feels like: 483 (-22) | 0.367 (-0.009) 

42. Love From the Other Side: 386 (-2) | 0.810 (-0.007) 
 

If they survive this week, Pop needs to drop Calm Down and give some of its spins to these songs.

 

4 minutes ago, pride4jc1222 said:

“But the song is well past 20 weeks now.” That was the excuse people were giving when golden hour, which was similarly liked by the GP, was getting dropped on Pop a few months earlier. So why should Calm Down be an exception?

Why are you keep asking for radio to drop female lead songs when you have The Weeknd pandemic on the charts with their 48473837337384837373737 weeks inside Top10 already? 

[Raphy23]

3 minutes ago, industry baby said:

 

Why are you keep asking for radio to drop female lead songs when you have The Weeknd pandemic on the charts with their 48473837337384837373737 weeks inside Top10 already?