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I understand being excited but um...this is too much. All Swifties who stanned after folklore need to be sent to the back of the line.

A lot of people would say Beyoncé is the biggest pop star in the world. While Beyoncé does well compared to the rest of her peers, Taylor Swift seems to be demolishing her in touring revenue and now album sales. I know that these numbers are going to cause stan wars in the future, but rather than use this thread to put down a hard working woman who just reclaimed a genre I figure we could have a discussion about why we think this is. To put it frankly, I think Beyoncé should be selling a lot more than she does, especially first week. What do you think?

We all know Taylor is one of the best lyricists of her generation. She paints stories with her pen and has built her career on the words she writes. But one of the main criticisms of her new album is a lack of variety when it comes to melodies and her vocal delivery throughout the album. Much of Taylor's songs by nature of her style of writing start off as lyric ideas - scribbled couplets on pieces of paper, journal entries - rather than sonic ideas. Given the recent technical praise Ariana has received for eternal sunshine's vocal production and melody compositons (largely helmed by Ariana), should Taylor consider experimenting more in the studio for the next record with writing melodies first with less emphasis on the lyrics?

Jumping on multiple remixes Jumping on Latin trends

Renaissance Spotify Debut EXCLUDING US — 25,028,144 Las Mujeres Ya No Lloran WW Spotify Debut — 13,483491 Sources: For years the narrative has been that Shakira is Bey's only 90s/00s pop girl peer who stayed beside her in longevity, with most even saying Shakira is wayyy more relevant than Bey globally. Well, the numbers are in for each artist's latest album and the results tell a different story… Is it time to stop the comparison? Discuss.

It’s no secret that Pop legend Taylor Swift has been THE pop girl for almost two decades. The critical acclaim, the sales, the success, the tours — all of it an indication of her power. But I’m wondering if something sinister is lurking beneath the surface. Did Taylor Allison try to enact SWIFT RETRIBUTION on her rival, up and coming new main pop girl (and alleged industry plant) Nature?! In 2022, the güd sis Taylor received a lot of heat for the planet-heating emissions of her private jet. She came first in the list of celebrities with the highest Co2 emissions from flying, according to an initiative tracking celebrities flying privately. Her private jet usage amounted to an estimated 8,300 tonnes of carbon emissions in 2022 – that’s about 1,800 times the average human’s annual emissions, or 576 times that of the average American and about 1,000 times that of the average European. Was Taylor trying to K-word her competition by poisoning Mother Nature herself? Was the “No Body, No Crime” songstress guilty of sabotaging her competition? pictured: Taylor Swift sitting on Nature’s throat and putting her feet on her chest This has been an investigative report. What do yall think?

Inspired by these series of tweets: what are your fav melancholy songs?

Haven't heard the new album yet just basing off the sentiment here it feels like she's losing her touch? Midnights is from what I can tell many Swifties least favourite album and now this? in the decline real?

Personally I think it is. I would love her to go down the early Lily Allen route with more songs like this

Now that all albums can be heard, which album do you like the best?

I am. Best album I've heard since Born This Way

Espresso outcharted Illusion globally, in the USA and also in the UK. Why? Espresso Global: #17 (-1) US: #7 (=) UK: #10 (+2) Illusion Global: #27 (-16) US: #55 (-24) UK: #17 (-6)

What are examples of unhinged stan moments online? Can you share?

Like we know she's an A-list musician and overall celebrity, but in Hollywood acting circles. Is she considered a respectable A-listers amongst her peers? whatyathink?

Let’s think about it… Nature is on album covers, photo shoots, concerts, promotional events, magazine spreads, TV, film and more. All of your faves have had some kind of interaction with Nature. All of your faves have been INSIDE Nature. And Nature has left her mark on all of your faves at some point or another. So basically the music industry employs nature as a tool for strategic marketing and branding, manipulating its intrinsic value for commercial gain in dozens of ways. She’s literally the definition of industry plant. Let’s discuss.

He has a few cute hits and good streamers but does he get the success his music deserves? Discuss

These two are some of the finest dance songs to ever exist from a female artist, but which classic do you prefer? I Feel Love or Hung Up

Hi ATRL. I hope you guys are doing well. Me? No. I'm not doing well. HAHAHAHA. In fact, I'm doing really terribly after logging on to Twitter and finding that I have been blocked by the artist I have stanned the most for the past 6 years. That's right. Ava Max. As many of you know, I am one of the members of ATRL who Ava Max owes her entire career too. I was there at the birth of Lady Gaga's lost daughter and pop descendant when Sweet But Psycho was first released. I was there when she followed it up with the terrible single choice of So Am I and I gave her deserved lashings. Despite her turbulent career, I have been praising her despite her multiple wrong moves and radio silence as soon as she drops a new song. I would create endless threads of 'Ava Max STUNS in new selfie' and accept the warning points that came with capitalizing the word 'STUNS'. I said her vocals were good enough to rival Mariah Carey when she was slipping across those notes like it was a wet blowjob. I said her outfits were next level when it was a pair of cargo trousers and a black crop top. I said she looked resplendent every time she posted another TikTok with the same snippet of her song. Lately, I have been losing it with Ms. Max and her complete ungratefulness and lack of care for her career. So many people would kill to be in the position she is in, but her? She doesn't care. And that's the reality of stanning Ms. Max. She is lazy and uninspired, writes <5% of her songs and relied solely on Cirkut and Madison Love to give her the few hits she has. Now that she's not riding his dick anymore, she's even more lifeless and drained of personality than before. With the release of My Oh My, of course, I stanned, but it quickly became clear that she is even worse than I could have ever thought. There has been zero promo on her part, other than performing in the corner of a living room for her father. Her vocals were ****, her outfit was ****. She wasn't even performing on a stage. Just a ******* carpet. I even went as far as buying her song on iTunes, and I am only 24, so this is not what my generation was born to do (shoutout to the older ATRLers who still do this. I will save my $1.29 next time and buy you all some minoxidil and ozempic). I funded her recent trip to Coachella because I bought 6 copies of her album Diamonds & Dancefloors. I have played an instrumental part in giving her the lifestyle she lives and plasters across Instagram with the same 'live laugh love' caption and doodoo-colored-pouting-lip selfie. After reaching the end of my tether, she dropped the most abysmal music video which turned me into a disillusioned soul who is still haunted by the shattered dreams of what could have been. Disappointment still echoes around my body because the tragedy she released is a sick and disgusting excuse for a 'music video'. It was a cruel mockery or artistic ambition and it was shackled by the chains of a poultry budget. They have her a Fiat 500 sponsorship and 30 minutes to learn choreography. Gone were the grandeur and opulence that I had envisioned, replaced instead by a barren wasteland of cheap props and lackluster set designs where the same warehouse was used in every shot. It was as if the very essence of creativity had been stripped bare, leaving behind a hollow shell of mediocrity. I was devastated, and in this whirlwind of emotion, I lashed out at Ava on Twitter under a tweet made by an update account. This tweet read: And this is what drove Ava to block me. One moment of madness caused by her spiral into Z-listdom. I can't take it anymore. My entire brand has been Ava Max since 2018 and now that she has blocked me, there's nothing left. Who am I going to ironically stan now? Nobody scratches my brain in the same way that Ava Max's songs do. I have almost 5,000 plays of her on my last.fm and her peers aren't even close. I never thought it would come to this. The sting of rejection burns like a branding iron on my soul. Ava Max has been my beacon of inspiration, my muse in the tempest of life and she has ruthlessly cast me aside like yesterday's news. Blocked. Shut out from her world with a click of a button, as if I never mattered. I poured my heart into every tweet and post for 5 years, every message of admiration and support, believing that my words would find their way to her. But one moment of weakness and that's it. I'm done. I'm gone in her eyes. Erased. Dead. I'm left adrift in a sea of uncertainty, grappling with the harsh reality that my connection to her has been severed. So, ATRL, I ask you this. What do I do now? Where do I turn for solace when the very source of my passion has turned its back on me? The void left by her absence echoes with unanswered questions, tormenting me with doubts and regrets. I think I'm going to do something terrible and end up on the national news. I think I might end it all right now and say goodbye to the world as I know it. Because how can I live knowing that Ava Max will never see me reply an Oprah.gif to every tweet she makes? How will she ever know that another white blonde gay thinks she is worthy of mother status? I search for answers in the depths of my despair, clinging to memories of shared moments and fleeting glimpses of acknowledgment. But the silence from her end is deafening, suffocating me with its indifference... I don't think I can do this anymore. Please help me ATRL. There's no heaven, just hell. There's no diamonds or dancefloors anymore. I just feel like a misfit. P.S. Ava Max... I know you're reading this Ava Max. Everything will happen to you Ava Max. EVERYTHING. Are you ready Ava Max?

Wtf is happening with him?

-Over 21 million sales for their debut album (Happy Nation / The Sign), 9x platinum in US -The album was Top 3 on Billboard 200 for 26 consecutive weeks -At the time, it was considered the best selling debut album of all time (by Guinness Book of World Records) -3 Top 10 songs on the Billboard Year-End Hot 100 singles of 1994 (The Sign at #1) -All That She Wants and The Sign are certified classics with having impact even to this day -Their debut inspired Lady Gaga (The Fame Monster) and Katy Perry (Teenage Dream) Bonus (even though this is not related to their debut, but rather their second album) -They give Max Martin pretty much his first US hit with Beautiful Life Keep in mind that Ace of Base was just a Swedish band that randomly managed to succeed, which makes their rise to stardom even more unique. Do they have one of the most impressive debuts in history?

Serving daddy. Do you agree?

It seems her latest release is very polarizing for both fans and the general public. What do you think is next for Taylor? Where does she go from here?