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Communion
6 minutes ago, Divine said:

This is some bull**** and you know it.

 

Conservative ≠ alt-right

Conservative ≠ evil

Nah, conservatism is evil in every regard.

If we could eliminate it as an idea system and eliminate conservatives, we could finally have justice.

 

 

The goals of capitalism for example is to consolidate as much wealth as possible into the tiniest hands. That's literally just how it works - it rewards "merit" and the goal of life is then moved to being profit-based. Those who can dedicate the most resources and the most time time to making profit earns the most profit, even if it comes at the cost of global agricultural exploitation, modern slave labor, propping up racism, propping up homophobia, etc.

 

Capitalism is anti-black, anti-poor, anti-equality, anti-justice. It's one of the most right-wing ideologies one can find.

 

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Communion
3 minutes ago, Aston Martin said:

Oh, yeah. That fishhook graph does equate people who commit horrible, discriminatory acts of violence with people who don’t do any of those things. What an idiotic graph :cm: 

You might want to look at the United States and who normalized Donald Trump to get him elected. :cm:

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Ascension
8 minutes ago, Vespertine said:

"Socially liberal but economically conservative!"

 

Anyone who says that **** makes me

gag. 

 

You want to smoke weed and marry your boyfriend, but you don't want poor people to get any help. Just admit you're self-serving, and overall conservative. There is so no such thing as social justice without some form of economic reform. They are intimately related. 

 

Basically sums up every thought I had the moment I saw this thread title. 

 

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No, not at all. 

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DAP

Right-leaning on fiscal policy because the pursuit of the almighty dollar is conducive to my self-serving interests, but yes. Center left. A libertarian or whatever

 

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katykater
37 minutes ago, Communion said:

There's tons of centrists on ATRL:

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It isn't because the centrists in Weimar Germany were abused and forced by threat of violence by brown shirts into complying with the far right that it's also a problem in other countries and in other times.

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Ecstasy
1 minute ago, Communion said:

You might want to look at the United States and who normalized Donald Trump to get him elected. :cm:

The centrists are now all republicans?  He had to win against other republicans to compete with Hillary first so I'd say it was the right wing that normalized him 

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Aden
4 minutes ago, Communion said:

Nah, conservatism is evil in every regard.

If we could eliminate it as an idea system and eliminate conservatives, we could finally have justice.

 

 

The goals of capitalism for example is to consolidate as much wealth as possible into the tiniest hands. That's literally just how it works - it rewards "merit" and the goal of life is then moved to being profit-based. Those who can dedicate the most resources and the most time time to making profit earns the most profit, even if it comes at the cost of global agricultural exploitation, modern slave labor, propping up racism, propping up homophobia, etc.

 

Capitalism is anti-black, anti-poor, anti-equality, anti-justice. It's one of the most right-wing ideologies one can find.

 

Capitalism isn't evil, it's just done poorly in the US.

 

The idea that you should have to work for you what you get isn't evil.

 

Ecstasy

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Communion
10 minutes ago, Ecstasy said:

The fact that you equate people who just wanted to play their favourite video games in peace with Nazis and rapists is exactly why far left will remain TRASH 

"Those blue-haired SJWs need to be SHAMED for being FAT and non-binary because they are acting as cultural marxists and behaving like totalitarians and are the scum of the Earth!"

vs

"You said in a podcast my video game was sexist because the sidekick has size Double-G breasts, is mostly naked, and you can act out a rape fantasy roleplay!? Enough is enough! I'm doxxing you, ****! It's time to fight the culture war!"

 

Imagine siding with nazis over shared "anti-PC views" because video games where you can rape people is the type of freedom you imagine is what makes life worth living. 

 

How odd centrists literally side with nazis over and over and over again in most topics.

Like how can a woman going "those breasts maybe don't need to be that big" inspire so many to think nazism is simply an unpopular view that we should allow into the realm of debate? How did the nazis get y'all to agree to let them join y'all anti-PC gang?

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Javan
6 minutes ago, HandsOn said:

... Did we read two different comments? Because I don't see any such equating going on there.

That's what I'm wondering :huh: 

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Communion
1 minute ago, Ecstasy said:

The centrists are now all republicans?  He had to win against other republicans to compete with Hillary first so I'd say it was the right wing that normalized him 

Hillary Clinton is a centrist. 

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Communion
3 minutes ago, Aden said:

The idea that you should have to work for you what you get isn't evil.

 

Ecstasy

There's no such thing as meritocracy in capitalism. Only an illusion of such.

Capitalism maintains the already carved out hierarchies in society and reinforces them, ie: racism.

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Ecstasy
4 minutes ago, Communion said:

"Those blue-haired SJWs need to be SHAMED for being FAT and non-binary because they are acting as cultural marxists and behaving like totalitarians and are the scum of the Earth!"

vs

"You said in a podcast my video game was sexist because the sidekick has size Double-G breasts, is mostly naked, and you can act out a rape fantasy roleplay!? Enough is enough! I'm doxxing you, ****! It's time to fight the culture war!"

 

Imagine siding with nazis over shared "anti-PC views" because video games where you can rape people is the type of freedom you imagine is what makes life worth living. 

 

How odd centrists literally side with nazis over and over and over again in most topics.

Like how can a woman going "those breasts maybe don't need to be that big" inspire so many to think nazism is simply an unpopular view that we should allow into the realm of debate? How did the nazis get y'all to agree to let them join y'all anti-PC gang?

Hmm it is odd 

 

3 minutes ago, Communion said:

Hillary Clinton is a centrist. 

So to be clear Hilary is a nazi and rape sympathiser promoted by the Democrats.  These red herring and straw men will only get you so far 

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beautiful player
50 minutes ago, Communion said:

Only a capitalist who wants poor people to die would say this. :cm:

stop. your outlandish rhetoric lined with logical fallacy after fallacy isn't helping your cause

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Communion
Just now, Ecstasy said:

Hmm it is odd 

 

So to be clear Hilary is a nazi and rape sympathiser promoted by the Democrats.  These red herring and straw men will only get you so far 

She literally aimed to normalize Donald Trump so she could beat him. Yes. 

Centrism is what makes electoral politics so dangerous because the constant electing of centrist candidates as the "left' option keeps the system reliant on neoliberal, pro-capitalist frameworks that meet their natural conclusion: the continued exploitation of the labor of marginalized people. There is no social justice under capitalism and thus there could be no social justice under liberalism as long as it sticks to defending the nature of capitalism. 

 

To support capitalism is to support the covert & overt subjugation of marginalized people. 

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Ecstasy
1 minute ago, Communion said:

She literally aimed to normalize Donald Trump so she could beat him. Yes. 

Centrism is what makes electoral politics so dangerous because the constant electing of centrist candidates as the "left' option keeps the system reliant on neoliberal, pro-capitalist frameworks that meet their natural conclusion: the continued exploitation of the labor of marginalized people. There is no social justice under capitalism and thus there could be no social justice under liberalism as long as it sticks to defending the nature of capitalism. 

 

To support capitalism is to support the covert & overt subjugation of marginalized people. 

Have you considered this to be a more local problem based on muricas unique system and laws? 

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Aden
21 minutes ago, Ecstasy said:

The fact that you equate people who just wanted to play their favourite video games in peace with Nazis and rapists is exactly why far left will remain TRASH 

One of the many instances where I disagree with the far left:

  • Any ideology that isn't far left is inherently evil.
  • White people are racist by default because they benefit from a system, even though none of them in the modern era had a hand in the creation of such a system.
  • Social issues are always connected to economic issues (sometimes but not always)
  • The rich are evil.
  • etc

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Communion
4 minutes ago, Ecstasy said:

Have you considered this to be a more local problem based on muricas unique system and laws? 

Laws such as what?

 

Capitalism props up a gun industry.

Capitalism props up a vulture-like pharmaceutical & insurance industry.

Capitalism props up the industries that lobby to allow chemicals in food you'd never be allowed to have people eat in socialist countries that centrally plan aspects of their economy and regulate industry. 

Capitalism props up the prison-industry complex.

Capitalism props up lead-paint being allowed in homes of disproportionately black and/or poor people.

Capitalism is the criminalization of not having a home.

Capitalism is the criminalization of giving to the poor without "permits". 

 

America is the Wild Wild West and capitalism in its most undisguised. 

You can't find America to have problems and then not acknowledge the ideologies behind those problems.

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Yndda

ok so reading thru this thread again I feel like I should make this post. a post about why the horseshoe theory is a crock of sh*t. because it seems like people here reaaaaaally believe in this.

 

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can we be a bit real and rational, y'all :cupid:

 

one fact we should get out of the way is that centrism is just as prone to radicalism as the right and the left. we've seen this in nazi germany when the centrists kept compromising with the nazis, while the actual leftist parties were the only ones who were actively resisting this disgusting force (and unfortunately lost).

 

the horseshoe theory contains a logical fallacy known as argumentum ad temperantiam, aka the "argument to moderation" fallacy. this is an issue for radical centrists like some in this thread, that in their want of not being part of either partisan extreme, they start dismissing both sides as kooks even though one side could very well be right in one instance or another.

 

another issue with the horseshoe theory is that it relies on the left-right political spectrum/typology that is in the mainstream. this means that it's obviously oversimplifying a lot of political ideologies. this is the reason why people prefer to use things like political compasses and nolan charts to show what they really identify as instead of saying "I'm a leftist", for example. then there's also the fact that what "centre" is can change a lot from country to country, but I'm not gonna delve into that.

 

this also forgets to point out that just because there are similarities between two "far" ideologies doesn't mean that they are the same. for example, fascists and communists. both were/are economically revolutionary ideologies, sure, but fascist groups largely protected the elites that already existed, while communist groups didn't protect already-existing elites, and instead overthrew these people.

 

pay attention in class y'all.

 

tl;dr: the horseshoe theory is horsesh*t.

pun 100% intended.

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Saeju

Never. Fish Hook Theory makes much more sense than Horseshoe. Centrists are just right wing enablers a lot of the time. This idea that centrism is somehow the most "logical" or whatever people say on here because it's not too hot, not too cold is just laughable. 

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