SLop, chop & PANNEDt.

48 minutes ago, Incandescent Glow said:

Well because not only Showgirl is just one album, but also because she has already bounced back tremendously well after a low in terms of songwriting (Lover -> folklore). And there's absolutely no logic behind the line of thinking "judging by her recent material" because otherwise, once an artist releases a bad album, it's over for them, which is not reality.

I know this website's favorite sport is to undermine Taylor's monumental gift in the songwriting department, but I don't, so I am perfectly confident in TS13's potential to be excellent.

I'm not trying to undermine Taylor's overall songwriting, she has released many good albums and I would argue she only has two bad albums (Lover and Showgirl), with the rest ranging from meh (Debut) to fantastic (evermore)

But my point is more that, yes she has proven she can bounce back, but that was during a stage in her career where she genuinely believed to be over, so she didn't seem to want to chase commercial success. So she didn't compromise her sound (chase two girls you lose the one). But now, everyone keeps streaming her **** regardless, so what incentive does she have to keep changing it up?

I rarely comeback to any songs. It was a huge disappointment

11 minutes ago, Solaria said:

I'm not trying to undermine Taylor's overall songwriting, she has released many good albums and I would argue she only has two bad albums (Lover and Showgirl), with the rest ranging from meh (Debut) to fantastic (evermore)

But my point is more that, yes she has proven she can bounce back, but that was during a stage in her career where she genuinely believed to be over, so she didn't seem to want to chase commercial success. So she didn't compromise her sound (chase two girls you lose the one). But now, everyone keeps streaming her **** regardless, so what incentive does she have to keep changing it up?

First, I gotta say that it's just wrong to argue that she didn't chase commercial success when she released folklore. This album has 10 vinyl variants, which is the most of any of her albums outside of Showgirl with 11. She was releasing signed CDs for multiple weeks to keep the #1 on BB200. cardigan received tons of remixes (let alone willow for evermore) to get to #1. Regardless of the genre of her music, she's always chased commercial success.

I also don't think she's ever compromised the sound she made for success. At the absolute peak of her popularity, she made and released TTPD which is much more of a mellow, sad, nostalgic and lore-heavy album (which makes it basically the most "for the fans" album of her entire catalogue) instead of releasing something that is a lot more bright and uptempo like Showgirl which would have been a much easier way to capitalize on her popularity. She just makes what she wants to make.

And despite all the success of Eras/TTPD, for all its flaws, Showgirl was somehow still a response to the critical reception of TTPD that was judged too slow, too sad, too dramatic and too long and made a much brighter and shorter album. The critical reception of Showgirl being mostly centered around songwriting, and with most of 2026 being her talking about songwriting, it appears clear to me that she took that criticism to heart and is gonna course correct.

Of course there's the possibility that she can fumble the bag. There's always that possibility. But to me as long as she takes the creation of TS13 seriously (which we know she will lbr), I have nothing to worry about. And even if like you try to argue, commercial success is the only thing motivating her, then she knows she has to please the fans with TS13 because otherwise the repercussion for the rest of her career could be bad, it's TS13 after all, every fan has huge expectations for it. You're saying that people keep streaming her music regardless, but the only songs this era that received traction are Ophelia, Opalite and Patient Zero (so far), which imo are all good to great pop songs. But most of the album tracks have been tanking (for her standards ofc) and that's a clear difference from the rest of her discography where the most beloved tracks are more often than not the album tracks. Showgirl only has Ruin The Friendship in that category. So there's also clear commercial indication that this album really isn't pleasing the fans like the previous ones.

Edited October 3Oct 3 by Incandescent Glow

11 minutes ago, Incandescent Glow said:

First, I gotta say that it's just wrong to argue that she didn't chase commercial success when she released folklore. This album has 10 vinyl variants, which is the most of any of her albums outside of Showgirl with 11. She was releasing signed CDs for multiple weeks to keep the #1 on BB200. cardigan received tons of remixes (let alone willow for evermore) to get to #1. Regardless of the genre of her music, she's always chased commercial success.

I also don't think she's ever compromised the sound she made for success. At the absolute peak of her popularity, she made and released TTPD which is much more of a mellow, sad, nostalgic and lore-heavy album (which makes it basically the most "for the fans" album of her entire catalogue) instead of releasing something that is a lot more bright and uptempo like Showgirl which would have been a much easier way to capitalize on her popularity. She just makes what she wants to make.

And despite all the success of Eras/TTPD, for all its flaws, Showgirl was somehow still a response to the critical reception of TTPD that was judged too slow, too sad, too dramatic and too long and made a much brighter and shorter album. The critical reception of Showgirl being mostly centered around songwriting, and with most of 2026 being her talking about songwriting, it appears clear to me that she took that criticism to heart and is gonna course correct.

Of course there's the possibility that she can fumble the bag. There's always that possibility. But to me as long as she takes the creation of TS13 seriously (which we know she will lbr), I have nothing to worry about. And even if like you try to argue, commercial success is the only thing motivating her, then she knows she has to please the fans with TS13 because otherwise the repercussion for the rest of her career could be bad, it's TS13 after all, every fan has huge expectations for it. You're saying that people keep streaming her music regardless, but the only songs this era that received traction are Ophelia, Opalite and Patient Zero (so far), which imo are all good to great pop songs. But most of the album tracks have been tanking (for her standards ofc) and that's a clear difference from the rest of her discography where the most beloved tracks are more often than not the album tracks. Showgirl only has Ruin The Friendship in that category. So there's also clear commercial indication that this album really isn't pleasing the fans like the previous ones.

I love your thorough answer! I hope she can deliver, especially if it's a country album. She does shine much more in the country/folk/rock area than the pop area.

Okay now I'm back to being an OTH.

17 minutes ago, Solaria said:

I love your thorough answer! I hope she can deliver, especially if it's a country album. She does shine much more in the country/folk/rock area than the pop area.

Okay now I'm back to being an OTH.

Well now that is a point I will definitely not argue with. I share the exact same sentiment that pure pop just doesn't let her core talent shine as much.

Screaming because there haven't been a single day that this album wasn't talked about during the entire year it has been out.

💩

WHAT? I THOUGHT THIS WAS 6 MONTHS AGO. I'm scared...

Still just as awful a year later.

Ruin The Friendship one of her best songs IMO.

A year later and the consensus still seems to be that it's absolute dogpoo.

People have been yelling "GET OFF THE STAGE" at this showgirl, yet she still came back for an encore and got rightfully LASHED for it.

I wish her writing was better in this one

Edited October 3Oct 3 by ontherocks

18 hours ago, Bussea said:

Her name was Kitty

Made her money being pretty and witty

They gave her the keys to this city

Then they said she didn't do it legitly, oh

I bought a ticket

She's dancing in her garters and fishnets

Fifty in the cast, zero missteps

Looking back, I guess it was kismet

I waited by the stage door, packed in with the autograph hounds

Barking her name, then glowing like the end of a cigarette

Wow, she came out

I said, "You're living my dream"

Then she said to me

"Hey, thank you for the lovely bouquet

You're sweeter than a peach

But you don't know the life of a showgirl, babe

And you're never ever gonna

Wait, the more you play, the more that you pay

You're softer than a kitten

So you don't know the life of a showgirl, babe

And you're never gonna wanna"

the way this song didn't get as much lashings as the other ones is crazy because it's even worse in the bad lyrics department

On 10/3/2026 at 3:00 PM, Feanor said:

Trash, but still better than reputation and evermore

What? Both of the albums you refer to are superior to showgirl! What the actual F?

On 10/3/2026 at 3:00 PM, Feanor said:

Trash, but still better than reputation and evermore

What? Both of the albums you refer to are superior to showgirl! What the actual F?

I've become an OTLOASH

On 10/3/2026 at 8:00 AM, Feanor said:

Trash, but still better than reputation and evermore

People exaggerate how bad it is; they act like it's a Katy Perry album.

It's a mediocre album that's part of a streak of mediocre albums that started with Midnight's. Made worse by the fact that she just keeps pumping these out yearly like a factory.

I love Ophelia, Opalite and Ruin the Friendship.

I really enjoy E. Taylor and I like Patient Zero.

The rest of the album ranges from meh to downright bad. The biggest offenders are Cancelled, Cleveland and Actually Romantic. Eldest Daughter is an atrocity, even if you don't hold it by Track 5 standars. The title track is such a disappointing Sabrina collab. Wood is kinda catchy but the lyrics destroy it. Father Figure would be in the good song category for me if it wasn't for the d*ck line.

Edited October 4Oct 4 by G.U.Y_Del_Rey

It's a bad album but oh well, happens to the best of our faves. Still hope she's able to bounce back for TS13... The Encore doesn't really give me much hope for that though