On 8/31/2026 at 5:50 AM, infrared said:

I mean yes but no. Racism was the key factor that led to Trump, let's have that conversation.

Democrats lost a lot of ground in the 2010s due to gerrymandering, the Supreme Court, and lack of midterm knowledge amongst democrats. He would have easily won a 3rd term and would win against any republican today.

You all forget that Obama's presidency ushered in a wave of social transformation from women, lgbt, disabled - and so on. If you compare to 2007 none of these groups were being looked upon nor discussed.

There will always be failures of any president but it's silly to just look at their campaign or before their campaign as the end all be all when a presidents policy actually progresses with the time they're in NOT the time they want it to be.

dont you realize that part of why Trump rose to power (and why Obama/Clinton were repudiated) was because of the half-truth perception that the government was focusing more on socially liberal agenda stances rather than actually improving the economic conditions of the country?

we have tried the racism theory on Trump to try and defeat him and well he came back stronger than ever. and even if we do use the same assumption again, doesnt that mean that we have to actually focus on winning issues that people care about and can flip to, instead of divisive issues that Obama mostly focused on his second term (thanks to Republican obstruction ofc).

7 minutes ago, Marianah Adkins said:

dont you realize that part of why Trump rose to power (and why Obama/Clinton were repudiated) was because of the half-truth perception that the government was focusing more on socially liberal agenda stances rather than actually improving the economic conditions of the country?

we have tried the racism theory on Trump to try and defeat him and well he came back stronger than ever. and even if we do use the same assumption again, doesnt that mean that we have to actually focus on winning issues that people care about and can flip to, instead of divisive issues that Obama mostly focused on his second term (thanks to Republican obstruction ofc).

The economy in 2016 was doing great, so much that Trump benefitted from it AND I know for a fact many thought he'd mirror that in his 2nd term as a reason for that vote.

Democrats haven't held the presidency for longer than 2 term since like FDR and aside from Reagan to Bush it isn't really the norm for U.S politics. So Hilary not winning was very much a possibility. I think they needed someone fresh but the groundwork for democrats unraveled far before in 2010.

Trump made racism normalized again before it was covert so the rules are very different now than 10 years ago. America is also far more diverse so it's easier to pit us against them with no backlash. Today economy is the main focus but no one wants to fix it - but the main point of my post wasn't essentially about social dynamics, it was more so about Obama Becoming more progressive as he became president and changed with the times which I think there is hope for with ossoff. Biden clearly he wasn't going to shake the table and we got exactly that. But ossoff still has potential and I don't necessarily think he should reveal everything all at once or right now. I think what's happening in Michigan and NYC is getting people ready for what can happen on a national scale but they need to see it play out first.

On 8/29/2026 at 3:47 PM, suburbannature said:

As awful as it is, it's going to have to be a man.

Yes and white. Sadly. And str8.

sorry Pete sis.

Why is Pete so high tho

AOC maybe in the next one once it's been some years after Trump.

3 hours ago, infrared said:

The economy in 2016 was doing great, so much that Trump benefitted from it AND I know for a fact many thought he'd mirror that in his 2nd term as a reason for that vote.

Democrats haven't held the presidency for longer than 2 term since like FDR and aside from Reagan to Bush it isn't really the norm for U.S politics. So Hilary not winning was very much a possibility. I think they needed someone fresh but the groundwork for democrats unraveled far before in 2010.

Trump made racism normalized again before it was covert so the rules are very different now than 10 years ago. America is also far more diverse so it's easier to pit us against them with no backlash. Today economy is the main focus but no one wants to fix it - but the main point of my post wasn't essentially about social dynamics, it was more so about Obama Becoming more progressive as he became president and changed with the times which I think there is hope for with ossoff. Biden clearly he wasn't going to shake the table and we got exactly that. But ossoff still has potential and I don't necessarily think he should reveal everything all at once or right now. I think what's happening in Michigan and NYC is getting people ready for what can happen on a national scale but they need to see it play out first.

I dont know about Obama becoming more progressive in his term, given how the most progressive candidate at that time, Bernie, was shafted by the DNC (and worsened by the fact that Hillary did not even attempt to reconcile with his insurgency— which is what every candidate should do when faced with such a disruption).

I do see some potential in Ossoff imo but we need to let 2026 simmer first before we dive headfirst. 2028 is genuinely the most open field we have in a while, it could be anyone.

3 hours ago, Superbitch said:

Yes and white. Sadly. And str8.

sorry Pete sis.

Why is Pete so high tho

AOC maybe in the next one once it's been some years after Trump.

Pete would likely win if he wasn't gay and thusly not electoral poison to black voters. But then again, the novelty of him being a gay candidate was the reason he broke through in 2019 to begin with.

And the main reason we have Ossoff polling as well now is because people are wondering "what if we had Buttigieg, but straight?"

49 minutes ago, Marianah Adkins said:

I dont know about Obama becoming more progressive in his term, given how the most progressive candidate at that time, Bernie, was shafted by the DNC (and worsened by the fact that Hillary did not even attempt to reconcile with his insurgency— which is what every candidate should do when faced with such a disruption).

I do see some potential in Ossoff imo but we need to let 2026 simmer first before we dive headfirst. 2028 is genuinely the most open field we have in a while, it could be anyone.

Obama's "progressive shift" was mainly just him changing his public position on gay marriage going into 2012 after Biden gaffed and basically forced him to. On every other issue though, he moderated in governance compared to the Hope and Change and "Yes We Can!" attitude he campaigned on.

Ted Kennedy dying in office really ruined everything. And the octogenarians in Congress still haven't learned any lessons from that, given how Ed Markey, Bernie Sanders, and Elizabeth Warren have all refused to step aside and punted their retirements out of nothing but ego.

Polling is admittedly all over the place but I think this at least disproves the narrative that Ossoff's presence is the death of Kamala's chances. She's still very much favored to win due to name recognition alone.

On 8/29/2026 at 6:12 PM, Katamari said:

Who the **** is voting for Pete

Kamala was always flopping in the state-level polls during the time that Newsom and Buttsniff had buzz, but since then, the latest state-level polls in Southern states show why she still has a shot - the same reasons why Hillary pulled through...

I think she'll still have a hard time because she often struggles to make a compelling argument that riles people up, but if she shifts left during a time when left candidates are winning, I think non-political junkies would be impressed enough to show up for her.

1 hour ago, jakeisphat said:

Kamala was always flopping in the state-level polls during the time that Newsom and Buttsniff had buzz, but since then, the latest state-level polls in Southern states show why she still has a shot - the same reasons why Hillary pulled through...

I think she'll still have a hard time because she often struggles to make a compelling argument that riles people up, but if she shifts left during a time when left candidates are winning, I think non-political junkies would be impressed enough to show up for her.

Her state polling would improve as more candidates get weeded out by the black vote in the early states in the South.

Doubtful AOC makes it past Super Tuesday with a meaningful percentage of votes. 15% is her ceiling and she struggles to meet that in most polls.