2 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

just old and slow

I am literally the same age as your fav and I look way younger than her lol

Edited August 2Aug 2 by Jack Spears

I will say these whataboutisms are so irritating in this thread. Yeah every person makes poor decisions, works with or aligns with powerful evil people.

But Trump is a specific kind of once in a lifetime evil. It's just not the same.

and trying to claim maturity by not thinking about politics when Nicki's whole public image as been politics recently is really STUPID

37 minutes ago, Jack Spears said:

How are people still stanning Madonna when her Best friend is Harvey Weinstein .

Literally just making things up. The only association the two had was his company being the distributor for Truth or Dare, and she has long since spoke out about his behavior towards her as well. Maybe do your research first before puking out nonsense that's easily disproven.

Madonna says Weinstein 'crossed boundaries'

Singer says the film producer was "incredibly sexually flirtatious and forward" when they worked together in 1991.

Mental illness

59 minutes ago, Jack Spears said:

How are people still stanning Madonna when her Best friend is Harvey Weinstein .

What even is this lie?

9 minutes ago, Graffiti said:

Literally just making things up. The only association the two had was his company being the distributor for Truth or Dare, and she has long since spoke out about his behavior towards her as well. Maybe do your research first before puking out nonsense that's easily disproven.

Madonna says Weinstein 'crossed boundaries'

Singer says the film producer was "incredibly sexually flirtatious and forward" when they worked together in 1991.

Of course she is going to say that after he was exposed.

Edited August 2Aug 2 by Jack Spears

1 hour ago, Jack Spears said:

I am literally the same age as your fav and I look way younger than her lol

and way bigger too

4 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

and way bigger too

16 minutes ago, ScorpiosGroove said:

and way bigger too

2 hours ago, Mornings said:

I will say these whataboutisms are so irritating in this thread. Yeah every person makes poor decisions, works with or aligns with powerful evil people.

But Trump is a specific kind of once in a lifetime evil. It's just not the same.

and trying to claim maturity by not thinking about politics when Nicki's whole public image as been politics recently is really STUPID

Is Trump really 'more evil'? There are anti-Trump politicians that also happen to be more far-right than him, and some that are hardcore Zionists. I don't think of him as unique. It's a systemic problem of politicians within American society.

12 minutes ago, BjorkIsMyMom said:

Is Trump really 'more evil'? There are anti-Trump politicians that also happen to be more far-right than him, and some that are hardcore Zionists. I don't think of him as unique. It's a systemic problem of politicians within American society.

Yes he is. Name a Democrat who is actively doing more harm than trump. I hate this narrative that democrats are secretly just as bad…. No they're not. Not overall. Maybe some still support funding Israel. But are they inciting hate and actively trying to get lgbt rights stripped? And for the bjork in you, are these evil democrats erasing environmental protections like trump is? Come on now.

Edited August 2Aug 2 by Mornings

19 hours ago, Jack Spears said:

How are people still stanning Madonna when her Best friend is Harvey Weinstein .

If you're gonna lie, why lie about something so easily disproven

Birds of a feather.

On one hand I wanna be here for the drama, but on the other I'm so brain dead that the paragraphs of text are turning me away.

Can y'all fight in like three sentence posts please?

On 8/2/2026 at 1:19 AM, Mattyboy said:

I don't care what an artists beliefs are, I listen to the music. Most of your faves probably have maga family and friends, it's just how you handle it and it's part of life. The fact that you clutch your pearls at a maga supporter is unrealistic and childish tbh

?

because we live in a world full of bad people unfortunately

21 hours ago, Mornings said:

Yes he is. Name a Democrat who is actively doing more harm than trump. I hate this narrative that democrats are secretly just as bad…. No they're not. Not overall. Maybe some still support funding Israel. But are they inciting hate and actively trying to get lgbt rights stripped? And for the bjork in you, are these evil democrats erasing environmental protections like trump is? Come on now.

On some real ish, I agree with you.

At least domestically, he's much worse, yes.

Do I believe Nicki actually gives af about politics? No. None of these things affect people in that income range beyond taxes. I don't believe she has the political acumen or knowledge to be speaking on half the things she's inserting herself into. At the same time, I think she also knows that & has been very calculated with which policies she's willing to openly support. She's even had his spokesperson come out and clarify that she doesn't personally identify as republican or democrat, but "common sense". Do I believe that's true? No. But it's evidently something she discussed with that camp because to some degree, she is aware that there is a crapload she shouldn't be associating with. Personally, I think she's crossed more of a line in her support for Elon, but she seems to have made a calculation that it is somehow to her personal benefit. I think the concessions she's made, regardless of her personal reasons, are a huge stain on her character & it's highly disappointing, to say the least. Just another reminder not to deify artists you enjoy.

What I can also acknowledge, prior to this maga-mess - is that she has actually meant so much for her gay fans, particularly those of color. She did, in fact, accept them, welcome them, and actively created a space for them in a genre that typically shut them out. She advocated for them whenever she was told her music was too gay or too girly. Whenever she interacts with them, it's not a pandering or an "othering". She just did her, and it resonated. And you guys still painted her out to be homophobic.

She championed for industry reform & fairer pay for artists in the transition to streaming, which every artist benefits from today. You guys still called her desperate & a sore loser.

She collaborated with, co-signed or congratulated most up and coming female artists in her genre - you guys still called her mean & threatened, when she clearly explained there were record execs pushing for drama behind the scenes, even going as far as to bake it into contracts as a requirement, and actively attempting to remove her from the equation to get a bigger slice of a very niche pie. When tbh, why did she even have to do this? Beyonce doesn't. Rihanna doesn't. Taylor Swift doesn't.

She attempted to put out a documentary about her physical abuse at the hands of a handler that was actively prevented from being released by one of the industry's leading ceo's and a man that she looked up to, all because it was his artist that was implicated. You guys just mocked her & still do, now that she understandably detests him.

She had a brother imprisoned and had to come to terms with the fact that he committed something so heinous. You guys held no grace for the idea that she might defend her own family member - prior to any evidence or conviction. Or the idea that celebrities get hustled for money with similar claims all the time. See: Jay Z & his family. Instead, you called her a pedo sympathiser, even though her response was not sympathy, it was denial - before the facts - and no mention of him since the verdict.

You created an environment of endless scrutiny and harm over her family and her child, because of an incident committed when her partner was 15, that had nothing to do with her, that he'd served time for & continues to face a lifetime consequence for. You called her a rape sympathiser. It's so beyond cartoonishly evil or believable that a woman who has faced endless scrutiny over her body, spoken openly of pressures for sexualisation in a men-lead genre, advocated for and presented an image of a strong-willed, independent woman, would be called a "rape sympathiser". They took something as sacred and meaningful as starting a family & turned it into something so perverse.

She experienced a massive hate train, had to endure pregnancy, child birth, early motherhood & her father being killed the week before he could ever meet her child, all throughout a lockdown - you guys just called her coked up. Never mind that she's spoken openly about her battle with perc addiction, or the fact that her father was an addict who literally burned their house down & caused irreparable trauma in her youth.

You've endlessly body shamed her. Clowned and disparaged her. Projected onto her everything that which she ever stood against & actively chose to ignore or erase any and all good she'd ever done & laughed at her calls for assistance or labelled her "loony" and paranoid whenever she spoke up for herself.

I mean. Is it really a wonder that she turned to where she was made to feel appreciated? Yes, even if it's in a useful idiot manner, ultimately.

It's not excusable & she's certainly not faultless, but I think it's important to contextualise. We have her on record mocking Trump & his wife, speaking out against deportation policies & years worth of her expressing pride in her heritage & immigrant status & advocating for Obama & Michelle. These sentiments don't just genuinely disappear. There is an explainable mutual benefit she is receiving to some degree with her current actions that we're not across. Her humanity is often very easily erased on here and it's down to a mix of racism, misogyny & partly the fact that she comes off as so brash & generally, not a sympathetic figure. But she's also had to become this way, hardened by the industry. You see the same change in Cardi B today, for example, but not nearly half of the coverage or tactical media push of her unhinged or emotional outbursts, because she plays the industry's game & is useful. Nicki wasn't useful, nor malleable & would not relinquish power.

I guess where I'm coming from is that, I'm not all too surprised. I'm not all too convinced. And ultimately, I'm all too disappointed and over caring about the hows and the whys of her behaviour.

She was the artist I most resonated with after Britney… who sadly also did not have a very respectable send off for an icon of her influence. Nicki has spoken of similar tactics being attempted with her, particularly with the allusion to schizophrenia and unsubstantiated claims of mental illness. The industry is a dirty game, if for some reason she saw this realm of political security as a defence mechanism, well… hey, that sucks.

The music still slaps for me, and that's where my interest remains, seperate and aside from her personal character.

Edited August 3Aug 3 by FOCK

48 minutes ago, FOCK said:

On some real ish, I agree with you.

At least domestically, he's much worse, yes.

Do I believe Nicki actually gives af about politics? No. None of these things affect people in that income range beyond taxes. I don't believe she has the political acumen or knowledge to be speaking on half the things she's inserting herself into. At the same time, I think she also knows that & has been very calculated with which policies she's willing to openly support. She's even had his spokesperson come out and clarify that she doesn't personally identify as republican or democrat, but "common sense". Do I believe that's true? No. But it's evidently something she discussed with that camp because to some degree, she is aware that there is a crapload she shouldn't be associating with. Personally, I think she's crossed more of a line in her support for Elon, but she seems to have made a calculation that it is somehow to her personal benefit. I think the concessions she's made, regardless of her personal reasons, are a huge stain on her character & it's highly disappointing, to say the least. Just another reminder not to deify artists you enjoy.

What I can also acknowledge, prior to this maga-mess - is that she has actually meant so much for her gay fans, particularly those of color. She did, in fact, accept them, welcome them, and actively created a space for them in a genre that typically shut them out. She advocated for them whenever she was told her music was too gay or too girly. Whenever she interacts with them, it's not a pandering or an "othering". She just did her, and it resonated. And you guys still painted her out to be homophobic.

She championed for industry reform & fairer pay for artists in the transition to streaming, which every artist benefits from today. You guys still called her desperate & a sore loser.

She collaborated with, co-signed or congratulated most up and coming female artists in her genre - you guys still called her mean & threatened, when she clearly explained there were record execs pushing for drama behind the scenes, even going as far as to bake it into contracts as a requirement, and actively attempting to remove her from the equation to get a bigger slice of a very niche pie. When tbh, why did she even have to do this? Beyonce doesn't. Rihanna doesn't. Taylor Swift doesn't.

She attempted to put out a documentary about her physical abuse at the hands of a handler that was actively prevented from being released by one of the industry's leading ceo's and a man that she looked up to, all because it was his artist that was implicated. You guys just mocked her & still do, now that she understandably detests him.

She had a brother imprisoned and had to come to terms with the fact that he committed something so heinous. You guys held no grace for the idea that she might defend her own family member - prior to any evidence or conviction. Or the idea that celebrities get hustled for money with similar claims all the time. See: Jay Z & his family. Instead, you called her a pedo sympathiser, even though her response was not sympathy, it was denial - before the facts - and no mention of him since the verdict.

You created an environment of endless scrutiny and harm over her family and her child, because of an incident committed when her partner was 15, that had nothing to do with her, that he'd served time for & continues to face a lifetime consequence for. You called her a rape sympathiser. It's so beyond cartoonishly evil or believable that a woman who has faced endless scrutiny over her body, spoken openly of pressures for sexualisation in a men-lead genre, advocated for and presented an image of a strong-willed, independent woman, would be called a "rape sympathiser". They took something as sacred and meaningful as starting a family & turned it into something so perverse.

She experienced a massive hate train, had to endure pregnancy, child birth, early motherhood & her father being killed the week before he could ever meet her child, all throughout a lockdown - you guys just called her coked up. Never mind that she's spoken openly about her battle with perc addiction, or the fact that her father was an addict who literally burned their house down & caused irreparable trauma in her youth.

You've endlessly body shamed her. Clowned and disparaged her. Projected onto her everything that which she ever stood against & actively chose to ignore or erase any and all good she'd ever done & laughed at her calls for assistance or labelled her "loony" and paranoid whenever she spoke up for herself.

I mean. Is it really a wonder that she turned to where she was made to feel appreciated? Yes, even if it's in a useful idiot manner, ultimately.

It's not excusable & she's certainly not faultless, but I think it's important to contextualise. We have her on record mocking Trump & his wife, speaking out against deportation policies & years worth of her expressing pride in her heritage & immigrant status & advocating for Obama & Michelle. These sentiments don't just genuinely disappear. There is an explainable mutual benefit she is receiving to some degree with her current actions that we're not across. Her humanity is often very easily erased on here and it's down to a mix of racism, misogyny & partly the fact that she comes off as so brash & generally, not a sympathetic figure. But she's also had to become this way, hardened by the industry. You see the same change in Cardi B today, for example, but not nearly half of the coverage or tactical media push of her unhinged or emotional outbursts, because she plays the industry's game & is useful. Nicki wasn't useful, nor malleable & would not relinquish power.

I guess where I'm coming from is that, I'm not all too surprised. I'm not all too convinced. And ultimately, I'm all too disappointed and over caring about the hows and the whys of her behaviour.

She was the artist I most resonated with after Britney… who sadly also did not have a very respectable send off for an icon of her influence. Nicki has spoken of similar tactics being attempted with her, particularly with the allusion to schizophrenia and unsubstantiated claims of mental illness. The industry is a dirty game, if for some reason she saw this realm of political security as a defence mechanism, well… hey, that sucks.

The music still slaps for me, and that's where my interest remains, seperate and aside from her personal character.

here's the thing though, Nicki is responsible for the majority of the hate brought against her. Shes no innocent angel. And so the idea that you can enjoy her music & NOT STAN is a real thing. Stanning is to basically mirror and defend everything she does. so how are people still doing that unless you agree with her? you can say I enjoy her music, but I dont stan her because shes aligned with evil.

Look, I used to love Azealia, I thought she was such a Kii and a creative genius. Shes clearly influenced so man and changed the trajectory of house music in rap, but at a point it just gets too much and you gotta decide where your values lie in what you engage with. I won't even post that dumb viral meme of her recently. Do I like her music still, yes! do I listen to it? yes! do I actively engage with her music in a public forum or defend anything that she does, no. because she is evil just like those she idolizes! its pretty simple.

On 8/3/2026 at 5:54 PM, FOCK said:

On some real ish, I agree with you.

At least domestically, he's much worse, yes.

Do I believe Nicki actually gives af about politics? No. None of these things affect people in that income range beyond taxes. I don't believe she has the political acumen or knowledge to be speaking on half the things she's inserting herself into. At the same time, I think she also knows that & has been very calculated with which policies she's willing to openly support. She's even had his spokesperson come out and clarify that she doesn't personally identify as republican or democrat, but "common sense". Do I believe that's true? No. But it's evidently something she discussed with that camp because to some degree, she is aware that there is a crapload she shouldn't be associating with. Personally, I think she's crossed more of a line in her support for Elon, but she seems to have made a calculation that it is somehow to her personal benefit. I think the concessions she's made, regardless of her personal reasons, are a huge stain on her character & it's highly disappointing, to say the least. Just another reminder not to deify artists you enjoy.

What I can also acknowledge, prior to this maga-mess - is that she has actually meant so much for her gay fans, particularly those of color. She did, in fact, accept them, welcome them, and actively created a space for them in a genre that typically shut them out. She advocated for them whenever she was told her music was too gay or too girly. Whenever she interacts with them, it's not a pandering or an "othering". She just did her, and it resonated. And you guys still painted her out to be homophobic.

She championed for industry reform & fairer pay for artists in the transition to streaming, which every artist benefits from today. You guys still called her desperate & a sore loser.

She collaborated with, co-signed or congratulated most up and coming female artists in her genre - you guys still called her mean & threatened, when she clearly explained there were record execs pushing for drama behind the scenes, even going as far as to bake it into contracts as a requirement, and actively attempting to remove her from the equation to get a bigger slice of a very niche pie. When tbh, why did she even have to do this? Beyonce doesn't. Rihanna doesn't. Taylor Swift doesn't.

She attempted to put out a documentary about her physical abuse at the hands of a handler that was actively prevented from being released by one of the industry's leading ceo's and a man that she looked up to, all because it was his artist that was implicated. You guys just mocked her & still do, now that she understandably detests him.

She had a brother imprisoned and had to come to terms with the fact that he committed something so heinous. You guys held no grace for the idea that she might defend her own family member - prior to any evidence or conviction. Or the idea that celebrities get hustled for money with similar claims all the time. See: Jay Z & his family. Instead, you called her a pedo sympathiser, even though her response was not sympathy, it was denial - before the facts - and no mention of him since the verdict.

You created an environment of endless scrutiny and harm over her family and her child, because of an incident committed when her partner was 15, that had nothing to do with her, that he'd served time for & continues to face a lifetime consequence for. You called her a rape sympathiser. It's so beyond cartoonishly evil or believable that a woman who has faced endless scrutiny over her body, spoken openly of pressures for sexualisation in a men-lead genre, advocated for and presented an image of a strong-willed, independent woman, would be called a "rape sympathiser". They took something as sacred and meaningful as starting a family & turned it into something so perverse.

She experienced a massive hate train, had to endure pregnancy, child birth, early motherhood & her father being killed the week before he could ever meet her child, all throughout a lockdown - you guys just called her coked up. Never mind that she's spoken openly about her battle with perc addiction, or the fact that her father was an addict who literally burned their house down & caused irreparable trauma in her youth.

You've endlessly body shamed her. Clowned and disparaged her. Projected onto her everything that which she ever stood against & actively chose to ignore or erase any and all good she'd ever done & laughed at her calls for assistance or labelled her "loony" and paranoid whenever she spoke up for herself.

I mean. Is it really a wonder that she turned to where she was made to feel appreciated? Yes, even if it's in a useful idiot manner, ultimately.

It's not excusable & she's certainly not faultless, but I think it's important to contextualise. We have her on record mocking Trump & his wife, speaking out against deportation policies & years worth of her expressing pride in her heritage & immigrant status & advocating for Obama & Michelle. These sentiments don't just genuinely disappear. There is an explainable mutual benefit she is receiving to some degree with her current actions that we're not across. Her humanity is often very easily erased on here and it's down to a mix of racism, misogyny & partly the fact that she comes off as so brash & generally, not a sympathetic figure. But she's also had to become this way, hardened by the industry. You see the same change in Cardi B today, for example, but not nearly half of the coverage or tactical media push of her unhinged or emotional outbursts, because she plays the industry's game & is useful. Nicki wasn't useful, nor malleable & would not relinquish power.

I guess where I'm coming from is that, I'm not all too surprised. I'm not all too convinced. And ultimately, I'm all too disappointed and over caring about the hows and the whys of her behaviour.

She was the artist I most resonated with after Britney… who sadly also did not have a very respectable send off for an icon of her influence. Nicki has spoken of similar tactics being attempted with her, particularly with the allusion to schizophrenia and unsubstantiated claims of mental illness. The industry is a dirty game, if for some reason she saw this realm of political security as a defence mechanism, well… hey, that sucks.

The music still slaps for me, and that's where my interest remains, seperate and aside from her personal character.

On 8/2/2026 at 9:43 AM, Mornings said:

Yes he is. Name a Democrat who is actively doing more harm than trump. I hate this narrative that democrats are secretly just as bad…. No they're not. Not overall. Maybe some still support funding Israel. But are they inciting hate and actively trying to get lgbt rights stripped? And for the bjork in you, are these evil democrats erasing environmental protections like trump is? Come on now.

Trump is not a "once in a lifetime" specific kind of evil. That's the issue with liberals, they think that Trump is any worse than most of the republicans on his side, or than the democrats that don't fight for their working class constituents that voted them into office. Hatred and violence also mean voting against healthcare for all, against increasing minimum wages, lobbying for higher police budgets instead of public infrastructure, environmental protections that don't favor corporations, etc. which is exactly what democrats like Harris, the Clintons, Obama, etc. have all done in their lifetimes - not to mention the willingness to continue funding a genocide. It took billionaire funding for Obama's re-election to push him and his administration to fight for marriage equality. You should absolutely view all of these people as equally evil, not one better than the other.

OP - Nicki Minaj is an idiot and whatever she puts out next will likely be AI slop.

On 8/1/2026 at 6:53 PM, ohjulia said:

because i'm a mature adult and my identity is not defined by an artist's political views

• talent, hits, comedian, etc

I've been a Nicki stan for nearly 20 years now. I'm just as disappointed and hurt as everyone else regarding the MAGA mess… but at the end of the day, I can't stop the music from bopping

Also, for many of us OG fans, it's hard to throw away someone you grew up with for sooo many years. Nicki's music reminds me of so many memories and joyous occasions from several years ago when the world wasn't as crazy and f*cked up as it is today. How can you listen to songs like Itty Bitty Piggy, Super Bass, Moment 4 Life, etc. and not feel nostalgic?

I also think all this backlash at Nicki fans is kinda hilarious, because if the likes of Beyonce, Gaga, Taylor, etc. were to come out as a Trump supporter today… yall would still be streaming their music on Spotify tomorrow. I do not take any of this posturing mess seriously.

BUSSIN is unfortunately the classic that won't stop giving but may she perish

Well, most people suck

On 8/2/2026 at 8:37 AM, Jack Spears said:

I am literally the same age as your fav and I look way younger than her lol

Is this satire?