So he said the N-word towards more than one Black person, and we're supposed to believe it was completely coincidental...?

Tbh I'm not going to get into arguments about this because you're screwed either way regardless of which stance you take. I'll just say that as a POC I find it offensive how readily some people will excuse racist behavior just because someone has a mental condition.

Edited March 7Mar 7 by Sugar-Rush

she herself has cleared up that this is not his responsibility but the BAFTA's

please stop being ableist

I'm so tired of people acting like this is an excuse. If this wasn't in his vocabulary, he wouldn't have said it in the first place.

As someone who has known people with tourettes I have NEVER heard them say the n word ever especially when they see black people Meanwhile he said this to even MORE black people? Really?

Edited March 7Mar 7 by JustHoran

We knew this the day after it happened, just not who it was done to. The production designer for Sinners said it happened on stage, to her at dinner, and one other time.

4 minutes ago, Sugar-Rush said:

So he said the N-word towards more than one Black person, and we're supposed to believe it was completely coincidental...?

No you're not because it simply was not a coincidence. Severe Tourettes causes you to shout the worst possible thing at the time. He also shouted homophobic rhetoric at the gay host Alan Cumming because of this.

He could not control those tics, the issue is 1) whether he apologized afterwards (which I think he did now, but it did take quite a while and the initial public apology was questionable) and more importantly 2) that the BBC and BAFTAs chose to keep the other one knowing it would cause harmful discourse. Anything for the views from them.

this is a tough one because im actually diagnosed with tourettes syndrome myself , so i understand the struggle , but he just looks so annoying and british i cant help but say just feed him to the wolves

Edited March 7Mar 7 by May

7 minutes ago, JustHoran said:

I'm so tired of people acting like this is an excuse. If this wasn't in his vocabulary, he wouldn't have said it in the first place.

As someone who has known people with tourettes I have NEVER heard them say the n word ever especially when they see black people Meanwhile he said this to even MORE black people? Really?

Maybe because this symptom only occurs in 10% of people with the condition. Trying to police people with actual disabilities with ignorant rhetoric as if they themselves don't know what the disability entails is not the flex you think it is especially on the same day you caper for a drunk driver...

Not another thread for people to have a ableist circle jerk.

One wasn't enough?

He also said homophobic comments toward Alan I thought as well?

Man

Why would you say anything if it was edited out bro I mean it's nice to take accountability (BBC admitting they knew it was there) but like.

8 minutes ago, RihannaRTT said:

Maybe because this symptom only occurs in 10% of people with the condition. Trying to police people with actual disabilities with ignorant rhetoric as if they themselves don't know what the disability entails is not the flex you think it is especially on the same day you caper for a drunk driver...

I still can't believe this is a symptom imo (even though they can't control it), I'm just absolutely shocked it would happen - the human systems are so weird

19 minutes ago, RihannaRTT said:

We knew this the day after it happened, just not who it was done to. The production designer for Sinners said it happened on stage, to her at dinner, and one other time.

No you're not because it simply was not a coincidence. Severe Tourettes causes you to shout the worst possible thing at the time. He also shouted homophobic rhetoric at the gay host Alan Cumming because of this.

He could not control those tics, the issue is 1) whether he apologized afterwards (which I think he did now, but it did take quite a while and the initial public apology was questionable) and more importantly 2) that the BBC and BAFTAs chose to keep the other one knowing it would cause harmful discourse. Anything for the views from them.

Wait so people dragging me earlier and he didn't even apologize until days later? His publicist must have **** themselves

We just can't excuse him (or anyone) everytime he says the N-word. You can feel sorry and empathetic for him while also holding him accountable for his words along with BBC.

BBC is a JERK for not censoring or cutting any of that out.

Edited March 7Mar 7 by GAGAISTHEBESTYA

also the fact that there was no incident whatsoever of him shouting anything for any wins other than Sinners with that slur... yeah it's...

shocker

of course as usual it's about some folks here telling black people who should be more considerate and understanding, never the other way around

6 minutes ago, Cherish said:

I still can't believe this is a symptom imo (even though they can't control it), I'm just absolutely shocked it would happen - the human systems are so weird

It absolutely is a symptom for those 10% of people with the condition, but that's just how life is. Sadly, there are so many random and rare disabilities out there that make people do all sorts of things. The issue with mental health awareness and disability awareness is that everyone knows mental health exists, but they don't know what it entails because its so different for every condition and there's a stigma that having mental health issues / disabilities is just someone being a lazy so and so, unless they're wheelchair bound.

Re: your other post + his apology; yes he did not apologize publicly until the day after and even that apology was sort of a non-apology and more of an explanation plus "watch my film to understand". He later said he reached out and apologized privately in that time though and has been apologizing publicly since. Personally I side-eye not immediately saying sorry when it happened but I understand he'd be overwhemled plus it clearly happened a lot, but I still think theres a personal responsibility with that. Ultimately this is a real condition and these were not his intentions, but it doesn't negate the impact of the words used. The BBC and BAFTAs are the supervillains though for how they facilitated and enabled this with their decisions both before and after this occured.

37 minutes ago, JustHoran said:

I'm so tired of people acting like this is an excuse. If this wasn't in his vocabulary, he wouldn't have said it in the first place.

As someone who has known people with tourettes I have NEVER heard them say the n word ever especially when they see black people Meanwhile he said this to even MORE black people? Really?

That's... not how it works. He has a severe case where his brain makes him blurt out the most heinous, awful thing that could be said in a situation. It doesn't make him blurt out his true feelings. It's a real medical condition.

14 minutes ago, GAGAISTHEBESTYA said:

also the fact that there was no incident whatsoever of him shouting anything for any wins other than Sinners with that slur... yeah it's...

Unfortunately that is because the disability itself isn't blind. The disability registers that there are black people winning on stage and that this word is the worst thing to shout at the time. The same applied when there was a gay man hosting the show and he shouted a homophobic slur, and when he was beaten up once for seeing a woman and calling her a **** and yelled **** the queen to her face. These tics are targeted and are intentionally taboo, they're just not intentional (by him). That doesn't negate the impact of them or make anyone's hurt reaction invalid however, nor negate his responsbility to make things right.

He was sitting 40 rows from the stage and they literally placed a mic in front of him. He stated this himself. BAFTA and BBC (who has released several documentaries about him since 1988) set him up.

This is BBC's first documentary about John Davidson….

It wasn't a mistake leaving his ticks on air.

7 minutes ago, RihannaRTT said:

Unfortunately that is because the disability itself isn't blind. The disability registers that there are black people winning on stage and that this word is the worst thing to shout at the time. The same applied when there was a gay man hosting the show and he shouted a homophobic slur, and when he was beaten up once for seeing a woman and calling her a **** and yelled **** the queen to her face. These tics are targeted and are intentionally taboo, they're just not intentional (by him). That doesn't negate the impact of them or make anyone's hurt reaction invalid however, nor negate his responsbility to make things right.

We only found out today that he also said this repeatedly weeks after the incident, did someone not think about getting him out of the room the first time it happened or what

59 minutes ago, Sugar-Rush said:

So he said the N-word towards more than one Black person, and we're supposed to believe it was completely coincidental...?

Tbh I'm not going to get into arguments about this because you're screwed either way regardless of which stance you take. I'll just say that as a POC I find it offensive how readily some people will excuse racist behavior just because someone has a mental condition.

nobody said it was "coincidental" that he said a slur for black people when he saw black people on stage. please think about how tourette's actually works. it's not "totally random zany behavior!" it's about how the brain processes cues. if you read the other main thread about this night, it was explained there multiple times by multiple people.

he would be likely to shout whatever slur the people in front of him most reminded him of.

14 minutes ago, Odette Violet said:

shocker

of course as usual it's about some folks here telling black people who should be more considerate and understanding, never the other way around

I will say that I very much detest how many other white people especially in the UK have suddenly become "disability advocates" in defense of John Davidson, when they never have cared about disabilities any other time and the usual rhetoric 365 days a year is that we're lazy freeloaders etc. There has definitely been people mostly on Twitter but I've seen some on here initially too that are using this as an excuse to defend saying that word by implying that people are silly or childish to be offended. In many cases from other British people it turned into a superiority complex over Black Americans and proving how "educated" they are on disabilities. My FYP on Twitter was horrible for the week after it.

I do think that its important to recognise that this is a real condition and not downplay the fact that it does exist or spread misinformation and ignorant rhetoric about how it works. However his lack of malicious intentions doesn't negate the impact of his words and people should be allowed to feel hurt and upset at the words being used, and be allowed to want an apology and resolution both from the man himself and the organizations that fuelled the fire and perpetuated it - such as by sitting him so close to a microphone. It is true we need to also recognise how hurtful and impactful this is even if he didn't intend for it to be. The implication that people should "be fine with it" because it was caused by his disability isn't right either.

3 minutes ago, Dera said:

nobody said it was "coincidental" that he said a slur for black people when he saw black people on stage. please think about how tourette's actually works. it's not "totally random zany behavior!" it's about how the brain processes cues. if you read the other main thread about this night, it was explained there multiple times by multiple people.

he would be likely to shout whatever slur the people in front of him most reminded him of.

So he saw Black people and his brain immediately thought of the N-word... and that's not at all racist to y'all?

3 minutes ago, GAGAISTHEBESTYA said:

We only found out today that he also said this repeatedly weeks after the incident, did someone not think about getting him out of the room the first time it happened or what

No; we found that out literally the day after the incident when the production designer of Sinners tweeted it. This isn't actually new news.

I don't have an answer for the second part. Personally as an autistic person, if I had meltdowns to the point where I could harm others, I would request a separate area to chill in and watch privately with all the amenities. However there are a lot of people and organizations that would say that is segregation and not the answer, and we should be inclusive and accomodating to people with disabilities, and that ejecting him because of this is ableist due to his condition. The issue with that is that being inclusive and accomodating should not come at the expense of other people who could be - and have been - hurt because of his disability. I simply don't have the perfect solution for this but I do know they absolutely should not have put a microphone next to him where this would be broadcasted further around the venue and on television.