22 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Not necessarily. These results indicate that black voters would simply prefer to have an established representative with many years of experience, and a lot of assumptions people held about the electorate were wrong.

I'm not sure this is the case in the votes so far. Preliminary reporting is saying she's only getting 35% or so of the black vote in the district?

The voter guide linked before was really helpful in breaking down the on-the-ground vibes.

The district seems to have much more ethnic distinctions than ideological (think NY-13).

Manley could be likely losing most of the black Caribbean parts of the district to Holness? Though doing almost as bad as the felon is?? ddd

The real L tonight would be efforts going to Manley when it seems like Bernard Taylor is only 350 votes under in FL-21 right now.

(It cuts both ways tho, as Taylor could have likely tried to do events with and gotten in on Manley & Larkin's joined campaigning - from the progressive caucus report, both Larkin and Taylor and did some campaigning together apparently?)

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It's time for Grandpa Ed to head to the retirement home.

Also just once again like with Peggy Flanagan: there was no big media attention and the more progressive candidate won.

Fishback FLOP

(10% is still too high)

Also seems funny to point out.

In all three races below, the Democratic establishment explicitly endorsed moderate white candidates against black candidates.

• FL-20

• FL-21 (Kamala endorsing the random white Coast Guard veteran?? ljnkjn )

• FL-Senate

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this is what probably ended Vindman

because will the racists vote for Byron or, I just wanna know

7 minutes ago, Parachutes said:

Fishback FLOP

(10% is still too high)

Nick Fuentes fans being 10% of the GOP electorate is a scary thought, especially when we know they're probably way over that among the youth.

Debbie's career enduring the last ten years mystifies and eludes me - maybe THE biggest example of an establishment Democrat with genuinely nothing to offer the world as a politician getting by on name recognition and party loyalty. This rotten party needs to go.

16 minutes ago, VOSS said:

It's time for Grandpa Ed to head to the retirement home.

Turns out wanting to bully and harm trans kids is unpopular, actually.

WAIT I didn't know THIS was Angie! @dabunique

14 minutes ago, Cruel Summer said:

Debbie's career enduring the last ten years mystifies and eludes me - maybe THE biggest example of an establishment Democrat with genuinely nothing to offer the world as a politician getting by on name recognition and party loyalty. This rotten party needs to go.

Florida 20 is just political malpractice, she did not have to win that seat, all those people running

Jared Moskowitz tweeting about Hasan is so deranged, winning a primary and the first thing rent free in your mind is a streamer 💀

1 hour ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Not necessarily. These results indicate that black voters would simply prefer to have an established representative with many years of experience, and a lot of assumptions people held about the electorate were wrong.

They were not mad about DWS carpetbagging. They were not mad about her turning her nose up at collard greens either. As long as you have a long, storied history of competent governance and party loyalty, that's all that really matters. Oh, and there's also the whole other thing to remember: black voters may be to the left of the average voter in a national sense, but they're pretty solidly to the right of the average Democratic primary voter as well.

In polling, she lost one on one in the district.

But she was always going to win, 4 Black candidates running against her is insane. Aipac presumably dropped a cute little mailers down there as well for her.

But these same Black voters went with Angie for the Senate race.

13 minutes ago, Communion said:

WAIT I didn't know THIS was Angie! @dabunique

Nov 7 2023 she made this statement. Good for her

@dabunique I'm pretty sure Aipac sent out a mailer saying the Congressional Black Caucus endorsed that White lady, did you get one?

@Hasan now is the time to get Karishma on stream and help her continue Angie's momentum!! We have three weeks!

28 minutes ago, Armani. said:

Florida 20 is just political malpractice, she did not have to win that seat, all those people running

26 minutes ago, Armani. said:

In polling, she lost one on one in the district.

But she was always going to win, 4 Black candidates running against her is insane. Aipac presumably dropped a cute little mailers down there as well for her.

But these same Black voters went with Angie for the Senate race.

They all stayed in because they didn't want Elijah to win. It's as simple as that really. They would have preferred to be the candidate themselves obviously, but helping that Zionazi demon ahead in a divided field was always preferable.

The margins in Jacksonville, Angie cooked hard lmao

6 minutes ago, Armani. said:

The margins in Jacksonville, Angie cooked hard lmao

as she should, its her home

meanwhile LOL

Excuse the below looking cracked out, I still have no idea how to best lay out the below info, but I wanted to try and lay out the endorsements this cycle for progressive candidates.

Money, I think, still is the largest factor, but I do find it hard to look at the below and not think endorsements play a key role in momentum.

The below is the same info but sorted by race type (ie: is it an open primary in a blue district, is an incumbent being challenged in a blue district, is it a GOP seat) because such is the real pattern of behavior for how already-elected progressives do or do not engage and endorse.

It's hard to take people wanting insurgent candidates to avoid using Hasan's platform seriously when he seems like the only resource so many of these candidates have, especially when already progressive elected officials refuse to endorse them!

(Poor Kat having more progressives explicitly endorse against her in an open seat than endorse her )

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