13 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

no. those k-pop "rappers" shouldnt be in hiphop discussions.

Like the closest they have in the female rap discussion is CL and even then she'd be considered mid in a more global context and I love ha.

i don't consider Lisa a rapper but Rockstar is as much of a rap song as Jealous Type is.

I was about to say that she is not because she doesn't write what she raps

But we all know about ghost writers 

35 minutes ago, smartalek22 said:

Sure, but should this "jealous type" song be in hip hop discussions?

it shouldn't 

at least songs like big energy and SFG had rap verses, doja raps for 20 seconds here just to maintain the title of a "rapper"

1 hour ago, Carry My Heart said:

Came here to post this. Lmaoo.

49 minutes ago, smartalek22 said:

Sure, but should this "jealous type" song be in hip hop discussions?

No. Its a pop song. 

of course not. you cannot compare these Kpop rappers with authentic rap artists like Nicki Minaj (Starships/Superbass) and Doja Cat (Say So)

LISA is a great rap performer, which I'd argue is way different than being a rapper.

 

Doja breaking that record when she's rapping for less than 20 seconds on Jealous Type is a bit of a stretch. But indeed she IS a rapper (among other things), so sure.

 

I do NOT often come to Nicki's defense, but to her credit, she's rapping on pretty much her whole song, including the main hook.

She is a rapper in the same way you and I are rappers. 

lisa can't sing at all so she claims to be a rapper (she's not good at that either but whatever)

1 hour ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

no. those k-pop "rappers" shouldnt be in hiphop discussions.

Rapping is a form of vocal delivery, not genre. You can mostly rap over any kind of music.

 

1 hour ago, smartalek22 said:

Sure, but should this "jealous type" song be in hip hop discussions?

No, because it's a pop song and they are comparing rappers not hiphop songs.

Yes. Lisa was trained to be a rapper, plus most of her songs contain rap.

She's an "idol rapper," so not really. 

Nope but she's a stellar dancer and performer 

She's a rapper in the same way Meghan Trainoh and Kesha are 

7 hours ago, Digitalism said:

I was about to say that she is not because she doesn't write what she raps

But we all know about ghost writers 

Indeed we do